Zeus 117 Report post Posted February 13, 2017 Joe Carr Jr, Brock Ervin, Chase Yost, David Carr (if you count him)... those are all the ones I can think of off the top of my head. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justaref 37 Report post Posted February 13, 2017 2 hours ago, Zeus said: Joe Carr Jr, Brock Ervin, Chase Yost, David Carr (if you count him)... those are all the ones I can think of off the top of my head. It's still very uncommon for an 8th grader to win the state title, at any weight. When the lights are on, a kid winning the big show as a middle schooler is something very special. I just can't recall it ever being done once at the upper weights. Going through the results KHSAA puts together gets really tiresome around 2010 so I stopped my search there. There were 0 middle schoolers that placed at 170+, while many 8th grade placers are seen at the lower weights. Even some 7th graders. You're pretty hard pressed to even find eighth graders that made it to state at 152+. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeus 117 Report post Posted February 13, 2017 27 minutes ago, justaref said: It's still very uncommon for an 8th grader to win the state title, at any weight. When the lights are on, a kid winning the big show as a middle schooler is something very special. I just can't recall it ever being done once at the upper weights. Going through the results KHSAA puts together gets really tiresome around 2010 so I stopped my search there. There were 0 middle schoolers that placed at 170+, while many 8th grade placers are seen at the lower weights. Even some 7th graders. You're pretty hard pressed to even find eighth graders that made it to state at 152+. No no no no no... I agree with your points, about 8th graders at all weights and especially at the middle and upper weights. Someone asked above for 8th graders that have won a title so I named the ones I could think of. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justaref 37 Report post Posted February 13, 2017 16 minutes ago, Zeus said: No no no no no... I agree with your points, about 8th graders at all weights and especially at the middle and upper weights. Someone asked above for 8th graders that have won a title so I named the ones I could think of. Ah okay. You naming that few just made me realize how truly uncommon it is at any weight. Even some of the best wrestlers to come out of this state managed 3rd-8th or not placing their 7th/8th grade years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tja 150 Report post Posted February 13, 2017 I think Bryce even placed 8th at 106 his 8th grade year if I'm not mistaken shows how tough to make a run at 5 really is.. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justaref 37 Report post Posted February 13, 2017 33 minutes ago, tja said: I think Bryce even placed 8th at 106 his 8th grade year if I'm not mistaken shows how tough to make a run at 5 really is.. It's also a 'stars aligning' kind of situation too in my opinion. Certain years the weights aren't as stacked, the top is 'thin', good draws, having great days all play a factor in this. For instance, if there's a 4 timer ending their senior year at 106 or 113, it's going to be very hard for an 8th grader to come in and beat him. Possible, but very unlikely. However, if there was a sophomore that won it last year at say 106, but isn't quite the wrestler the 4 timer I mentioned before is then it is theoretically more likely that an 8th grader could more easily win that match and lead to a potential 5 timer situation. Sometimes kids are just absolute studs and nothing else matters, but I think this is the case and the difference whether a great 8th grader wins state or not, the competition at the weight that year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wky 25 Report post Posted February 13, 2017 24 minutes ago, justaref said: It's also a 'stars aligning' kind of situation too in my opinion. Certain years the weights aren't as stacked, the top is 'thin', good draws, having great days all play a factor in this. For instance, if there's a 4 timer ending their senior year at 106 or 113, it's going to be very hard for an 8th grader to come in and beat him. Possible, but very unlikely. However, if there was a sophomore that won it last year at say 106, but isn't quite the wrestler the 4 timer I mentioned before is then it is theoretically more likely that an 8th grader could more easily win that match and lead to a potential 5 timer situation. Sometimes kids are just absolute studs and nothing else matters, but I think this is the case and the difference whether a great 8th grader wins state or not, the competition at the weight that year. 1 hour ago, tja said: I think Bryce even placed 8th at 106 his 8th grade year if I'm not mistaken shows how tough to make a run at 5 really is.. Bryce placed 7th, 4 kids in that group went on to to be 2x finalist . Lawson moved . Bryce beat the winner Vega the following year as a freshmen 11-1 in semis . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tja 150 Report post Posted February 13, 2017 I couldn't remember if it was 7th or 8th just remember the whole group of placers were really tough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FalconWrestling 147 Report post Posted February 13, 2017 There are still seniors in low weight classes 106/113 that don't win their senior year. Mostly I'm referring to Travis Sullivan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
119Rider 61 Report post Posted February 13, 2017 Not 100% sure on this but didn't Raynel Brown from UC make it to state as a heavyweight in 8th grade? Maybe 2011 or 2012. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ukpridewrestler11 276 Report post Posted February 13, 2017 11 minutes ago, 119Rider said: Not 100% sure on this but didn't Raynel Brown from UC make it to state as a heavyweight in 8th grade? Maybe 2011 or 2012. Yes he did. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wky 25 Report post Posted February 13, 2017 35 minutes ago, FalconWrestling said: There are still seniors in low weight classes 106/113 that don't win their senior year. Mostly I'm referring to Travis Sullivan I think both Hernandez brothers were seniors 106/113 lost in finals Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FalconWrestling 147 Report post Posted February 13, 2017 17 minutes ago, Wky said: I think both Hernandez brothers were seniors 106/113 lost in finals Well with Sullivan he was a 3-timer going into the finals his senior year Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tja 150 Report post Posted February 13, 2017 1 hour ago, FalconWrestling said: There are still seniors in low weight classes 106/113 that don't win their senior year. Mostly I'm referring to Travis Sullivan There are 7 middle schoolers in it this year at 106 two 7th graders Reece Goss and Asher Jones. And a ton of freshmen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
REscalera 189 Report post Posted February 13, 2017 1 hour ago, tja said: There are 7 middle schoolers in it this year at 106 two 7th graders Reece Goss and Asher Jones. And a ton of freshmen. It's par for the course. Got this from a quick search on Trackwrestling.com. I would agree that there are not many Sr. and Jr wrestlers at 106 or even 113. That's for obvious reasons though. 106 lb 2017 8 middle school 2 7th 11 9th grade 2016 8 middle school 3 7th 10 9th grade 2015 9 middle school 2 7th 13 9th grade 2014 7 middle school 0 7th 14 9th grade 2013 7 middle school 2 7th 10 9th grade 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grappler-of-old 44 Report post Posted February 13, 2017 To answer about the upper wts with middle school kids. Livingston Merritt Hoptown 7th 140 5th place 8th 152 4th place just in case you are wondering 9th 189 3rd place 10th 215 1st place 11th 215 1st place 12th Hwt 1st place Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nkawtg 137 Report post Posted February 14, 2017 On 2/12/2017 at 4:09 PM, tja said: Debate won I don't get too excited about a 9th grader wining at 106 as that class shouldn't even be a varsity weight. The class is mostuly frosh and some soph. Very few juniors and Seniors. Too many forfeits as it is. Eliminate 106 in Ky followed by eliminating middle school particiapation in high school events. 1 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tja 150 Report post Posted February 14, 2017 30 minutes ago, Nkawtg said: I don't get too excited about a 9th grader wining at 106 as that class shouldn't even be a varsity weight. The class is mostuly frosh and some soph. Very few juniors and Seniors. Too many forfeits as it is. Eliminate 106 in Ky followed by eliminating middle school particiapation in high school events. Dumb... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ranger123 43 Report post Posted February 14, 2017 29 minutes ago, tja said: Dumb... That's putting it nicely Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old wrestler 92 Report post Posted February 14, 2017 8 hours ago, grappler-of-old said: To answer about the upper wts with middle school kids. Livingston Merritt Hoptown 7th 140 5th place 8th 152 4th place just in case you are wondering 9th 189 3rd place 10th 215 1st place 11th 215 1st place 12th Hwt 1st place Merritt was before my time, but that resume is incredible. Jumping nearly 40 lbs in one year is pretty wild too. Thank you for sharing. I remember Harrison Courtney's run his 8th grade year. Joey Sanders (Wayne County) won a questionable match in the semis. I believe that was at 130? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rjs4470 103 Report post Posted February 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Nkawtg said: I don't get too excited about a 9th grader wining at 106 as that class shouldn't even be a varsity weight. The class is mostuly frosh and some soph. Very few juniors and Seniors. Too many forfeits as it is. Eliminate 106 in Ky followed by eliminating middle school particiapation in high school events. When I was in High School, 99lbs was the lowest class. There are lots of good kids at 106. I see no need to force them up to 113 by eliminating that weight class. And I'm definitely not for not allowing middle schoolers to wrestle in high school. If a kid can earn the spot and compete, let him wrestle. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
john warner 1 Report post Posted February 14, 2017 Liam and Jackson warner in a few years both are tougher than their father ben warner(liam)and older brother ben (Jackson) lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeus 117 Report post Posted February 14, 2017 59 minutes ago, Old wrestler said: Merritt was before my time, but that resume is incredible. Jumping nearly 40 lbs in one year is pretty wild too. Thank you for sharing. I remember Harrison Courtney's run his 8th grade year. Joey Sanders (Wayne County) won a questionable match in the semis. I believe that was at 130? Have to give credit to Sanders for doing what it took to win, but yes it was probably the biggest hose job I've ever seen, and I don't complain about officials often. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grappler-of-old 44 Report post Posted February 14, 2017 2 hours ago, Nkawtg said: I don't get too excited about a 9th grader wining at 106 as that class shouldn't even be a varsity weight. The class is mostuly frosh and some soph. Very few juniors and Seniors. Too many forfeits as it is. Eliminate 106 in Ky followed by eliminating middle school particiapation in high school events. Heck yeah lets get rid of 106. Why do we even let these small kids wrestle anyway *sarc* Oh yeah because these little guys become bigger guys their Jr. and Sr. year. We already raised the weight since my day 98 then 105 were the 1st and 2nd wt. classes. Lets give more kids reasons not to wrestle. I think someone else said it "dumb" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nkawtg 137 Report post Posted February 14, 2017 1 hour ago, rjs4470 said: When I was in High School, 99lbs was the lowest class. There are lots of good kids at 106. I see no need to force them up to 113 by eliminating that weight class. And I'm definitely not for not allowing middle schoolers to wrestle in high school. If a kid can earn the spot and compete, let him wrestle. Doesn't that unfairly disadvantage private schools who don't enroll middle schoolers? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
