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  1. 12 points
    Obviously a vast majority of us are not pleased with the currently proposed solution. It may be too late, but we can't let this go silently. I have attached an alternate proposal for this post season. The only chance we have to turn this thing around, if there is any at all, is to start asking for the same thing. I am urging all of you to read through this proposal and get behind it. The attached proposal outlines why the current solution is not acceptable. 46 of the top 10 ranked kids in the state are mathematically eliminated from contention already. That is 46 kids that have worked for years to get on the podium that the KHSAA is slamming the door on. Then it goes on to outline a new post season setup and its advantages. The new setup is as follows: Regional Tournament as usual 2 semi-states (Regions 1-4 and 5-8) with top 4 from each region. 16 man brackets. 16 man state championship, top 8 from each semi state. Next it outlines how a "COVID Friendly" 16 man bracket tournament could be ran in a normal high school gym with 4 fans per wrestler. And lastly it shows how this setup will not only result in a better and more fair setup for the wrestlers but also generate more revenue for the KHSAA than the other current proposal. I know this is not a perfect proposal and maybe you think that you have a slightly better idea, but we are not going to get anywhere until we all start saying the same thing. We need to work together and take this proposal to the board of control. If we can all stand behind one idea maybe, just maybe we can get them to change this. Otherwise we're going to be stuck with whatever idea they come up with on their own, which obviously is not what we want. At this link you can find the KHSAA Board of control. https://khsaa.org/2020-21-khsaa-board-of-control/ Our best chance is for everyone to have their Coach/AD/Super call their representative and show them this proposal. Please help me spread the word on this and let's see if we can get something done on this finally. Wrestling Post Season Alternate Proposal.pdf
  2. 3 points
    Obviously a vast majority of us are not pleased with the currently proposed solution. It may be too late, but we can't let this go silently. I have attached an alternate proposal for this post season. The only chance we have to turn this thing around, if there is any at all, is to start asking for the same thing. I am urging all of you to read through this proposal and get behind it. The attached proposal outlines why the current solution is not acceptable. 46 of the top 10 ranked kids in the state are mathematically eliminated from contention already. That is 46 kids that have worked for years to get on the podium that the KHSAA is slamming the door on. Then it goes on to outline a new post season setup and its advantages. The new setup is as follows: Regional Tournament as usual 2 semi-states (Regions 1-4 and 5-8) with top 4 from each region. 16 man brackets. 16 man state championship, top 8 from each semi state. Next it outlines how a "COVID Friendly" 16 man bracket tournament could be ran in a normal high school gym with 4 fans per wrestler. And lastly it shows how this setup will not only result in a better and more fair setup for the wrestlers but also generate more revenue for the KHSAA than the other current proposal. I know this is not a perfect proposal and maybe you think that you have a slightly better idea, but we are not going to get anywhere until we all start saying the same thing. We need to work together and take this proposal to the board of control. If we can all stand behind one idea maybe, just maybe we can get them to change this. Otherwise we're going to be stuck with whatever idea they come up with on their own, which obviously is not what we want. At this link you can find the KHSAA Board of control. https://khsaa.org/2020-21-khsaa-board-of-control/ Our best chance is for everyone to have their Coach/AD/Super call their representative and show them this proposal. Please help me spread the word on this and let's see if we can get something done on this finally. Wrestling Post Season Alternate Proposal.pdf
  3. 3 points
    I do believe if it had been top 4 out of semi-state and a 16 man bracket we would be seeing a lot less outrage. The way this bracket is set up reminds me of similar issues Virginia had in I want to say 2015 when they split into 6 or so different divisions and had 8 man state brackets
  4. 3 points
    It truly baffles me that it can be repeated over and over and not cause huge concern that our Association is Ok with just getting this ran and over with and not put the best product out their for our sport and these kids. This attitude of “ we should just be thankful” is getting old, while so many states have and are showing that it can be done in the normal format. How can it not be a goal to create the most competitive State as possible. Also “semi-state” is not like an extension of the 1st day of state. You don’t have the ability to wrestle back to a third place at state. Using the same information others are using on this thread as where kids are at (Kentucky Wrestling Forum’s Rankings by Ranger, which always seem pretty accurate). Regions that have 5-6 of the top ten leave home 4 of those wrestlers while other regions that have wrestlers down the list get an automatic trip to state. Also the state race now becomes about the higher ranked teams in same regions eliminating each other while other regions advance wrestlers based on lack of competition. It’s crazy that this whole foundation is built on a governor and his medical sidekick to establish how many people can be together with no ability to make a concession to all post season events to be normal and use a venue that can accommodate this sport.
  5. 3 points
    Well we’re closing in on the State Duals which means State is right around the corner. Any answers yet with what was proposed by our Coaches Association to the KHSAA? I know a few teams submitted a detailed proposal to the Coaches Association on what could work for just this year. Can we get some information on this forum to what we have to look forward to. So far I’ve heard 4 advance out of Regionals to a Semi State(1/2,3/4,5/6,7/8 regions grouped together to make semi state). Then only 2 come out of a semi state to make a 8 man bracket at State in a high school located south of Lexington. Your points from Semi state carry in to State for a team championship. I’ve also heard a proposal to have a Eastern State Champ and Western State Champ and finally I’ve heard small school and a large school state championship was being pushed by some. Hotels are open and the opportunity to travel is there. Why can’t we have the Regionals, advance the too 4 as always to a Semi State, advance the top 4 then have a 2 day 16 man bracket to give the wrestlers the best chance to compete. Most Parents and teams want to travel and if it’s in Lexington, most can get there within a couple hours. The good folks out in Western Kentucky seem ready and eager to travel since Region 1 is full of State Placers that with a 2 man semi state advancement, leaves several state placers at home. Same with Region 5/6 combined. We need to give all the kids our best as parents and coaches. I don’t see the Girls or Boys Basketball championships being watered down or a venue change. Just my 2 cents.
  6. 2 points
    Correctly is exactly what you would get. It cuts thru all of the arguing about records, who beat who with no head to head. All of that. How many times has a coach argued that a kids seed should be higher based on a something and 0 record, when in fact half of the kids wins were against the same 5 opponents. Track seeds kids based on all of their wins and losses. Fact. Also, there is really no need to seed semi state. 1vs.4, 2vs.3, 3vs.2, 4vs.1. Bracket set up and ready to wrestle.
  7. 2 points
    Not to mention this idea has 14 placers who will go 0-3 at state tourney to finish 8th place. What was once a great accomplishment and a battle through the brackets now feels more like a kick in the nuts. this is still a proposal at this point right? What can we do to change it?
  8. 2 points
    What does last season's spring sports being cancelled have to due with this season's wrestling format? We are in the here and now. You plan for the best and make adjustments. Not plan for the minimum(which is more harmful to most than helpful) and then throw your hands up like well at least we get to have one.
  9. 2 points
    Agreed! If you take a baseball bat to my kneecaps, I’m not going to “just be thankful” you handed me a pair of crutches.
  10. 2 points
    Kids get bad draws every year. It happens. It’s just a different setup. The cream will rise to the top.
  11. 2 points
    It's not impossible for track to seed these tournaments. The lack of coaches uploading info and results is what leads you to believe it is impossible. But the fact is, they could easily be seeded by track.
  12. 2 points
    I went with top 10 to keep it simple. Also went with top 10 teams. Used Rangers latest rankings. "Miss State" is top 10 kids who will not make it to state. There is a big discrepancy between the "semi states". In the team breakdown, "make state" is top 10 kids on given team that are top two in the semi state. Outside qualifiers are kids who are ranked outside of the top ten but top 2 in their given semi state. St. X and Trinity lead the way with 3 kids each ranked outside of the top ten but qualifying for an 8 man state. Eli Mattingly-Neal (#18 @ 126) and Ayden Lehman (#24 @ 132) are some of the big ones that pop out. Lehman did wrestle 126 recently. Kid that potentially won't qualify: 106: Hardin, Campbell, Raney, Matt 113: Teutsch, McKee, Griffith 120: Lattin, Benner, Stanley 126: Quintana, Tucker, Stull, Isaacs 132: Herron, Ross, Lewis, Nardelli 138: Stull, James, Andreoni, Johnson, Sproles 145: Bowers, Chapman 152: Phan, Grandstaff 160: Ketchen-Carter, Conrad, Hyden 170: Slayton, Baker 182: Riggins, Walls, McWilliams, Haggan 195: Adams, Whitehead, Hatchett 220: Boone, Elliston, Brooksbank, Leicht 285: Mooney, Arthur, Smith Some state champs, runner ups, multi time placers that are getting screwed. Some, it is their senior year. Way to go KHSAA
  13. 2 points
    Lots of questions to be answered. What are the limiting factors? Attendance, money, overnight stay, Khsaa rules ? Other tourneys are going on all over the nation with the basic protocols and everything has been fine.
  14. 2 points
    No one in the gym wanted that match more than Hoppes. He got bumped up to give the team the best chance of winning the dual.
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    Brawl at the Bluegrass wrestling tournament will be in Bluegrass Sportsplex 208 Peterson Drive Elizabethtown Ky it’s a brand new state of the art 103,000 square foot facility. Morning and afternoon sessions. Concession on site run by the sportsplex. Tournament shirts for sale on site. Medals for 1st-4th place. Registration must be done online no in person registration. USA wrestling and track wrestling sanctioned event, https://www.trackwrestling.com/tw/opentournaments/VerifyPassword.jsp?tournamentId=623703132
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    Go ahead and give Trinity, St X, or Johnson Central a major point advantage then. Not fair at all to those in the really tough regions. Thanks KHSAA.
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  20. 1 point
    Last I heard Menchata got a late start and is working on his descent to 113.
  21. 1 point
    Goal: Mitigate risk of COVID Solution: Host 3 multi team (16 or more) individual tournaments in back to back weeks with no contingency plan, or quarantine time, in case a region or semi-state catches the virus. Result: Potential for 6 man bracket at state in some weight classes? This is hardly erring on the side of caution. If I wasn't able to compete via KHSAA, I'm sure there are other competitions out there. Or, can you not compete via DoD orders?
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  23. 1 point
    Hopefully that's why they bought Track, for their tournament/bracketing platform.
  24. 1 point
    To watch more local tourneys, Johnny Drennan, Mater Dei holiday Classic, etc, you need to pay Trackwrestling. To watch more nationals and bigger events, you have to buy Flowrestling. To watch some d1 college matches you need ESPN+. To watch the Big10, you either need the Big10 network or YouTube.tv. To see Illinois or Oklahoma rankings or to see some special events, you need Rofkin. To read articles and see a different sent of rankings, you need a subscription to The Open Mat. I’m sure I’m missing a lot. Their are some matches on fox sports sometimes. No other sport is so hard to just watch.
  25. 1 point