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  1. grappler-of-old

    Bluegrass State Games

    What you may not realize is that the Bluegrass State Games is not just a wrestling tournament. It is an event that spans all of the sports. It is run by a central agency that promotes all sports for Kentuckians. To allow someone else to sponsor it would probably result in it leaving Ky. It is mainly just for Ky athletes. It is a great event my son went to it every year from 7th grade up. Promotion of the event is usually well done. I know in the past, several remote weight-ins were set up across the state to help allow not having to leave early for weigh-in. I try every year to get kids to participate in the event. It is well run and a nice event to attend.
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    Team State champs.

    1 Union County 72 2 Woodford County 64 3 Trinity 39 4 Fern Creek 36 5 North Hardin 35 6 Hopkinsville 34 7 Campbell County 30 8 Christian County 26 8 Saint Xavier 26 8 Simon Kenton 26 11 Ryle 22 12 Henry Clay 21 13 Conner 20 14 Marian County 19 15 Eastern 18 16 Fort Campbell 16 17 Johnson Central 12 17 Kentucky School of the Blind 12 17 Waggener 12 20 Boone County 11 20 Larue County 11 20 Newport Catholic 11 20 Oldham County 11 20 Wayne County 11 25 Danville 10 25 Scott 10 25 Seneca 10 28 Ahrens Trade 9 * 28 Walton Verona 9 30 Caldwell County 8 30 South Oldham 8 32 Ballard 7 33 Doss 6 33 Flaget 6 * 33 Lafayette 6 33 Millersburg Military Inst. 6 33 Saint Joseph 6 * 38 Lawrence County 5 38 Tates Creek 5 40 Jeffersontown 4 40 Madison Central 4 40 Male 4 40 Western 4 44 Fort Knox 3 44 Harrison County 3 44 Paducah Tilghman 3 44 Pleasure Ridge Park 3 44 Westport 3 * 49 Ashland Paul Blazer 2 49 Boyle 2 49 Central Hardin 2 49 Dixie 2 49 Frankfort 2 49 Holmes 2 49 John Hardin 2 49 North Oldham 2 49 Paul Dunbar 2 49 Southern 2 59 Apollo 1 59 Belfry 1 59 Calloway County 1 59 Central 1 59 DuPont Manual 1 59 Fairdale 1 59 Franklin County 1 59 Meade County 1 59 Moore 1 59 Owensboro 1 59 Prestonsburg 1 59 Trigg County 1 59 Trinity 1 59 Valley 1 59 West Hardin 1 *
  3. grappler-of-old

    Team State Placers

    Update 5/12/2022 1 Woodford County 280 2 Union County 231 3 Trinity 213 4 Campbell County 211 5 Saint Xavier 183 6 Hopkinsville 146 7 Simon Kenton 137 8 North Hardin 136 9 Christian County 131 10 Ryle 121 11 Fern Creek 116 12 Eastern 105 13 Larue County 104 14 Marian County 100 14 Johnson Central 100 16 Oldham County 95 17 Scott 89 18 Conner 88 19 Caldwell County 87 20 Henry Clay 86 20 Seneca 86 22 Fort Campbell 83 23 Wayne County 75 24 Harrison County 67 25 South Oldham 66 25 Lafayette 66 27 Waggener 61 28 Danville 55 29 Central Hardin 50 30 Fairdale 46 31 Boone County 44 32 Newport Catholic 43 33 Walton Verona 42 34 Paducah Tilghman 41 35 Tates Creek 40 35 John Hardin 40 37 Western 37 37 Franklin County 37 39 Moore 36 40 Pleasure Ridge Park 35 41 Fort Knox 32 41 Jeffersontown 32 43 Dixie 31 43 Flaget 31 * 45 Paul Dunbar 29 45 North Oldham 29 47 Doss 25 48 Ballard 24 48 Kentucky School of the Blind 24 48 Westport 24 * 48 Valley 24 48 Boyle 24 53 Madison Central 23 53 McCreary Central 23 55 DeSales 21 56 Meade County 20 56 Male 20 58 Frankfort 19 58 Central 19 60 Saint Joseph 17 * 60 Ohio Co. 17 60 Anderson Co. 17 63 Southern 16 63 Trigg County 16 63 Ashland Paul Blazer 16 66 Ahrens Trade 14 * 67 Cooper 13 67 Millersburg Military Inst. 13 * 67 Bourbon Co 13 70 Kentucky Country Day 12 71 Bullitt Central 11 71 Montgomery County 11 71 Whitley County 11 71 Holmes 11 75 Apollo 10 75 University Heights 10 75 DuPont Manual 10 75 Taylor County 10 79 Newport 9 79 Perry County Central 9 81 Bryan Station 8 81 Nelson County 8 83 Henderson Co. 7 83 Iroquois 7 83 Madison Southern 7 86 Webster County 6 86 West Hardin 6 * 86 Calloway County 6 89 Jessamine County 5 * 89 Lawrence Co 5 89 McCracken County 5 89 Prestonsburg 5 93 East Hardin 4 * 93 Pike County Central 4 93 Bullitt East 4 96 Aquinas Prep 3 * 96 Belfry 3 96 Grant County 3 96 Letcher County Central 3 96 Western Hills 3 101 Daviess County 2 101 Durrett 2 * 101 East Carter 2 101 Lexington Catholic 2 101 Owensboro 2 101 Shawnee 2 101 Atherton 2 108 Bowling Green 1 108 Boyd 1 108 Corbin 1 108 Covington Catholic 1 108 Frederick Douglass 1 108 Graves County 1 108 Great Crossing 1 108 Greenville 1 * 108 Hancock 1 108 Highlands 1 108 Holy Cross (Cov) 1 108 Holy Cross (Lou) 1 108 Lexington. Country Day 1 * 108 Oneida Baptist 1 108 Pikeville 1 108 Scott County 1 108 Spencer County 1 108 Stuart 1 * 108 Thomas Jefferson 1 * 108 West Jessamine 1 108 West Carter 1
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    Team State Qualifiers

    1 Updated 5/12/2022 Trinity 549 2 Saint Xavier 526 3 Woodford County 524 4 Campbell County 446 5 Union County 433 6 North Hardin 386 7 Christian County 367 8 Fern Creek 353 9 Oldham County 344 10 Hopkinsville 329 11 Simon Kenton 325 12 Eastern 316 13 Harrison County 301 13 Seneca 301 15 Johnson Central 297 16 Fort Campbell 290 17 Larue County 287 18 Henry Clay 265 19 Caldwell County 264 19 Conner 264 21 Marian County 259 22 Fairdale 255 23 Scott 248 24 Central Hardin 247 25 Ryle 246 26 Pleasure Ridge Park 241 27 Wayne County 225 28 Lafayette 216 28 South Oldham 216 30 Tates Creek 214 31 Western 207 32 Moore 196 33 Danville 192 34 Central 188 35 Doss 177 35 Fort Knox 177 37 Valley 176 38 DeSales 161 39 Meade County 160 40 John Hardin 157 41 Waggener 154 42 Franklin County 148 43 Jeffersontown 142 44 Southern 141 45 Paducah Tilghman 139 46 North Oldham 128 47 Anderson County 127 47 Boone County 127 49 Ashland Paul Blazer 124 50 Dixie 121 51 McCreary Central 119 52 Paul Dunbar 112 53 Boyle County 103 54 Ohio County 99 55 DuPont Manual 98 56 Newport Catholic 94 57 Ballard 89 58 Bullitt Central 83 58 Madison Central 83 60 Walton Verona 82 61 Bryan Station 81 61 Male 81 63 Montgomery County 75 63 Perry County Central 75 65 Holmes 73 66 Whitley County 70 67 Westport 67 * 68 Kentucky School of the Blind 66 69 Flaget 65 * 70 Trigg County 64 71 Apollo 63 72 Bourbon County 62 73 Bullitt East 58 74 West Hardin 57 * 75 Newport 56 76 Frankfort 55 77 Calloway County 53 78 Iroquois 52 79 Cooper 50 79 Henderson County 50 79 Western Hills 50 82 Pike County Central 49 83 McCracken County 47 84 Belfry 44 84 Taylor County 44 86 Atherton 43 86 Daviess County 43 86 Nelson County 43 89 Millersburg Military Ins. 41 * 90 Kentucky Country Day 38 91 Letcher County Central 37 92 University Heights 36 93 East Hardin 35 * 93 Scott County 35 95 Saint Joseph 33 * 96 Madison Southern 32 97 Boyd County 30 97 Jessamine County 30 * 99 Webster County 26 100 Owensboro 24 100 Shawnee 24 102 Great Crossing 23 102 Pikeville 23 102 Spencer County 23 105 Lawrence County 22 106 Grant County 21 107 Holy Cross (Lou) 20 108 North Bullitt 19 108 Prestonsburg 19 110 Bowling Green 16 110 Frederick Douglass 16 112 Ahrens Trade 15 * 112 Bush 15 * 114 Bardstown 13 114 Durrett 13 * 114 Franklin Simpson 13 117 Covington Catholic 12 117 Stuart 12 * 117 West Carter 12 120 Middlesboro 10 121 Aquinas Prep 9 * 121 Corbin 9 123 East Carter 8 123 Holy Cross (Cov) 8 125 East Jassamine 7 125 Oneida Baptist 7 127 Thomas Jefferson 5 * 127 Trinity (Whitesville) 5 127 West Jessamine 5 130 Barren County 4 130 Phelps 4 131 Bell County 3 131 Bishop Brossart 3 131 East Ridge 3 131 Graves County 3 131 Knox County Central 3 136 Hancock 2 136 Lexington Catholic 2 136 Paintsville 2 136 Thomas Nelson 2 140 Breckinridge 1 140 Campbellsville 1 140 Fulton City 1 140 Green County 1 140 Greenup County 1 140 Greenville 1 * 140 Greenwood 1 140 Hart County 1 140 Highlands 1 140 Marshall County 1 140 Sayre 1 140 Todd County 1
  5. grappler-of-old

    2022 State recap

    Long Saturdays are a huge problem. Commitment has a different meaning than most other sports. Wrestling is 6 days a week, every week to be competitive as a high school sport. Basketball and football mostly finish on Fridays. I am not sure what the answer is, but I know having super tournaments (12-18) teams every weekend is not the answer. Getting parents home before dinner is optimal. This is a new generation, everything needs to be shorter. A movie over 2 hours long is to long, a professional sporting event lasting over 2 hours is to long. We have to change with the times regardless of whether we like it or not.
  6. grappler-of-old

    2022 State recap

    Elite: Looking back at my post it may seem I am criticizing what you are doing. Not in any way am I doing that, keep doing what you are doing, you are helping at the top end. I am not saying we don't train elite kids. What I am saying we don't just focus all our efforts on them. If we don't increase the numbers in the wrestling room who are those elite wrestlers going to impact? It's the what came first game "The chicken or the egg". I think the egg. We must build up our middle class. Teams with several competitive kids on the team. We must have more kids so we have JV tournaments every weekend. JV state is awesome "Thanks Moore High school". We have built up our middle and Youth. Now we have to focus on building the numbers in the high school rooms. We have to get kids in the room even if they are half committed (High school sports are to get kids doing something for their school to keep them focused on school). We can work on this on both ends, but we need more on the lower end working harder. We still have a huge number of 1st generation wrestlers, parents who don't know how to motivate their kids. If this 1st generation is half committed then when they have kids who wrestle they will help make those kids fully committed. Everyone likes working with the elite kids, winning is fun. The problem is we don't have enough who are willing to work the lower end. On the surface it seems less rewarding but in the long run it is extremely rewarding. I thank the JV coach's all the time for getting them ready for the next level and suffering through the kids quitting and not giving their all. I don't think they know how much they help the sport move forward. All right I will get off my soap box. sorry.
  7. grappler-of-old

    2022 State recap

    This is something I have had a hard time understanding for a long time. So many people want to compare us to other states. Up here in Nky we unfairly compare ourselves to Ohio. WHY? I don't really care about what Ohio kids are like. I am only worried about KY. Ky has become such a have and have not wrestling community. We really do not have a middle class in wrestling. You have the Unions, Trinity's, Ryle's and the other elite programs. Then you have most other programs, with 6-10 wt classes filled, who may have 1 or 2 above average wrestlers on the team. Many are trying to get ahead of ourselves. Trying to make all our kids into national powerhouses. First we need to stabilize the programs we have and expand the number of programs. When these programs are regularly getting 10-14 wt. classes filled with competent wrestlers, then we can build the powerhouse kids. (Not filling wt. classes with 1st year kids just to fill a spot) This is why we need a 32 man bracket. So more kids are wrestling at the state tournament and get a taste of what it is like. Then they have a want and need to get better so they can place at the state. All this helps build programs up. Those that have been around a while will remember I was against the 32 man bracket at the beginning. I have seen the plus side of this. We have went from about 80-85 school programs to now about 110. I believe this is because of the 32 man bracket. I am not begrudging those who are trying to build nationally elite wrestlers, just remember, as a state we are not there yet. We are getting closer every year and I hope I am still around to at least see Ky wrestling considered a great state for wrestling. **As always these are the opinions of GOO nothing more nothing less. You can take them or leave them. In the grand scheme of things it really does not matter. GOO out
  8. grappler-of-old

    2022 State recap

    My intention was to try and stay as neutral as I can. My big mouth gets me in trouble a lot (Just ask my wife LOL) I would 100% like to return to the 32 man bracket. My hope is that we get enough wrestling team that we will need to return to District-Region-State. Some regions are getting very big, but we are not there yet. Lou needs to get back the old teams and push for more new teams. Nky needs to get new teams specifically the area between Nky and Lou-Lex. (The counties of Gallatin, Carrol, Owen, Bracken, Robertson, Mason, Trimble, and Henry)
  9. grappler-of-old

    Integrity

    There are several reasons a kid may be held back. Academics and maturity are just 2 of them. Maybe I am naive but I don't think what you are referring to actually happen very often. I don't personally know of anyone who remained in a grade for athletic reasons. I choose to believe that any kid who remains back have more reasons than just trying to win a title in an athletic sport. Even if this is the real reason, then they must need this success more than you or I realize. Sometimes all a kid needs. Is to succeed in one thing to change their life forever. Those that may lose a placement after working hard, because of this action, will probably still succeed in life. I for one would sacrifice my placement or my child's placement to change a young person's life forever.
  10. grappler-of-old

    2022 State recap

    This was true in all wt classes. 106 SS2 #2 McCloskey Sk met SS2#3 Smith John Cent 2nd round. 215 SS2 #2 Whitehead MS met SS2 #3 Elliston Con 2nd round.
  11. grappler-of-old

    2022 State recap

    Now that I have had time to do the statistics for 2022 state. First my impressions on this years state. 1. Still hate the Semi State set up. But I will have to live with it, it has been worse. 2. Not sure I liked the bracket set up SS1 #2 and SS1 #3 meeting before the semi’s. I think top four from each semi-state should be in separate quarter-brackets. 3. Did like the 2 semi-states and taking the top 8. 4. Not sure how I feel about the team points transferring or not transferring from semi-state to state. 5. Venue was not bad the big TV screens with the bouts on it was nice. 6. Having a warm up areas was nice (But needed a bout board in the warm up area) Now on to the nerd factor. (Statistics) Comparing Semi-state 1 and 2 It was interesting that both placed exactly 56 wrestlers each. SS 1 had 18 finalists to SS2 10 SS1 had 10 champions to SS2 4 SS1 outscored SS2 917 to 746 SS1 had 6 teams in the top 10 to SS1 4 Comparing Regions Team Points Placers Finalists Champions Top 10 Teams R1 419.5 R5 25 R1 9 R1 8 R5 3 R5 375 R1 23 R5 7 R5 2 R1 2 R4 200 R3 13 R3 4 R2 1 R3 2 R3 183 R6 12 R4 3 R3 1 R4 2 R8 156.5 R3 11 R2 2 R6 1 R8 1 R6 134 R8 11 R8 2 R8 1 R2 0 R2 114.5 R2 9 R6 1 R4 0 R6 0 R7 80.5 R7 8 R7 0 R7 0 R7 0 Sorry to steal part of your thunder Ranger
  12. grappler-of-old

    Middle school state > high school

    I personally have never understood the confusion with age participation in middle school. KHSAA has a maximum age requirement. If you use that rule as a guideline and subtract 4 year (the 4 years they would be in high school) you should get the maximum age for a middle school student. That way they can still get 4 years of high school eligibility. Now I know that there is a wrinkle because of COVID. KHSAA has allowed for a repeat year this year in response to COVID. This should also trickle down to the middle school. You don't have to agree with the rule, but you must abide by the rule and respect the rule until it is changed. I am very old school and we are now living in a world where everyone gets their feelings hurt and I really don't understand it. But like MaMa always told me "suck it up buttercup and get better", "worry only about yourself and not what someone else is doing". (I don't argue with MaMA)
  13. grappler-of-old

    Middle school state > high school

    Sure he does. Why Not? Kills two birds with one stone? Keep em commin Joemfs
  14. grappler-of-old

    120 finals prayer

    I understand your concern. Many people fear that they don't understand or things out of the ordinary. I either out of ignorance or curiosity (probably ignorance) I find things that are different interesting and try to understand it more. I don't have to agree with what it is, but I should understand it and know why it is being done. Either way as MaMa always said ignorance is bliss. . And I for one am very blissful.
  15. grappler-of-old

    You Make the Call

    I have seen this individual wrestle many times. He has been called for stalling and either as the stall call was issued or immediately afterwards he would shoot or throw something and score. It seems his style is to take steps backwards to set up his move. Which in turn will be called for stalling a lot. I was confused with the ending but all he had to do was shoot at the leg/foot and then keep pushing forward. IMO he was the better wrestler and should have won the match, but we all know the best wrestler does not always win.