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  1. rjs4470

    2022 State recap

    Track isn't every weekend, and it's outside. In terms of number of days, wrestling is comparable to other sports, but the big difference is is 2-3 hours (tops) vs 8+hours for wrestling. Also, as a parent you don't have to watch your kid get physically beaten up in those other sports which coupled with being stuck in a gym for a whole day can make things unbearable for parents and kids. Of course, the reason we are so big tournament focused is because with so many partial teams, it's the only way you can guarantee your guys get matches. I do believe depth has dropped dramatically. There are teams that were really good a few years ago that are now on life support. And where there might have been 10 really solid kids in a weight class, now in many, there are only a handful.
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    2022 State recap

    True, but where do the coaches come from? They come from our current wrestlers. The more you grow the numbers, the more possible future coaches you'll have. But the way we run our season with all day Saturday tournaments comprising most of the season, there's a huge obstacle to getting young guys who might have or will be having families into the coaching ranks.
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    2022 State recap

    I agree. I can understand wanting to compete nationally. And we've had more than a few have some success on a national level. But I believe the drive to to be more competitive nationally has ultimately hurt our numbers overall because we are trying to train everyone to be elite. And that's driving the average kids out of the sport.
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    Middle school state > high school

    Even with the extra year athletes could have gotten because of covid, the rules regarding age stayed the same. So there technically isn't anybody who is competing that would have been "too old" prior to covid.
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    Youth State Tournament Prices

    The decline started rapidly once the State Tourney got moved from Broadbent. The talk about shifting the season, and the overall quality of the event and middle school wrestling in general has taken taken steps back since then.
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    State Tournament Hope

    This year it is being held at KY Proud park at UK.
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    Youth State Tournament Prices

    I know I did receive that email , even though I haven’t been a middle school coach for 5 or 6 years. I didn’t attend the meeting.
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    State Tournament Hope

    Volleyball is at now at GRC after being held at Valley High School for many years.
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    Not good KHSAA

    All I'm saying is I think this is attacking the problem the wrong way. Like I've said 1000 times, all the accountability in the world means nothing if we don't have enough officials. Fixing this problem starts with having enough officials so that any form of accountability lessens the amount the bad officials work. The less proficient officials have to work now at the high school level because we don't have enough to go around. The other issue is of the 86 officials we currently have, how many are truly bad? Does it make sense to to put even more pressure on the good officials by rating their every move and possibly run them off to weed out the dozen or so bad ones? Especially with the reality that because of low numbers the bad ones are going to end up working anyway? Fix the low numbers first. Once we get that right, work on the accountability more if you need to, although I still say this should not be totally in the hands of coaches, who naturally aren't unbiased. I've never yet seen a coach to ask a ref to overturn a bad call that went in his wrestlers favor. And I've run enough tournaments to know that I can't even get coaches to fill out an MOW ballot that takes 1 minute to fill out and turn in. A 5 minute form isn't anymore likely to get filled out. Which means the only ones you'll get returned are the ones that are negative.
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    Not good KHSAA

    Agreed. But it's also hard to objectively evaluate someone you're mad at for making a call that you think is wrong, especially in the heat of the moment. And the reality is, that call may have actually been right. Plus evaluating someone's performance is a skill, and not something everyone can be effective at doing. How do you insure there are standards in place, and that they are followed? These aren't insurmountable issues, but if coaches suddenly hold so much weight in a ref's evaluation, it could start influencing the way they call matches. You're certainly going to call matches differently if you know your ability to work future events is based on a coaches opinion of you. Doing evaluations is hard. Companies spend lots of money, training and time to make sure they are done correctly at the corporate level. And to do them well, also takes time and effort. I'm not sure that adding this to a coaches already full plate is the most effective way to solve the problem.
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    Not good KHSAA

    I don't disagree that ref's should be evaluated. I just don't think coaches should be doing it. I hear you when you say competency is demanded rather than perfection. And in theory that's the way it should be. In real life though, if a ref isn't perfect (or what someone defines as perfect), they get blasted. And putting refs under a microscope, and being reviewed by the same coaches that they make rulings against, and possibly punish for bad behavior, after every single event, is not going to attract or keep people officiating. Just because someone is a coach, does not mean they are qualified to evaluate an official. All the accountability in the world doesn't mean a thing if there aren't enough officials out there to keep the ones who aren't so good from needing to work so much. That's where the solution needs to start. And believe me, as a guy who coaches 3 different sports at the high school level, this is not just a wrestling issue.
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    Not good KHSAA

    I'm not saying accountability is a problem, or is in itself negative. My only point is I'm not necessarily certain referees accountability should fall in the hands of coaches. I get coaches having the ability to scratch an official they've had a problem with (although with so few refs, you can't scratch all of them). But I've seen coaches make big stinks about a call that was correct because they themselves didn't understand the rule/see it correctly. I've been there myself....there have been plenty of times I've gone back and watched film and realized I was the one who got it wrong. I guess what it comes down to is I'm not a fan of coaches holding that many of the cards in evaluating officials, especially right after an event when things are still heated. Just because you're a coach, doesn't mean you are qualified to be judging/rating an official. And I've never seen a perfect official (or coach, or player, or spectator) at any level, and focusing and being hyper critical on every single mistake, while ignoring the 99.99% of them correct is not going to do anything to attract people to the job. No matter how much accountability you have, they still aren't going to get every call right. I don't mean to make this sound like we need to feel sorry for the officials, or that it's ok when they screw up. Personally, I don't feel like they screw up nearly as much as many think they do. But I also know there is an evaluation system, and I've seen many refs get reviewed by their assignors. And I think they are aware of who the good officials are, and I've seen them counsel officials who need to improve. So I'm not sure we need heightened accountability, nor do we need to grind officials over every call. Here's the big issue as I see it, and I don't have a solution, so sorry if I'm whining ;-). No accountability system is going to be effective until we have more officials. As it stands, the truly bad officials CAN'T be held accountable, because there isn't enough officials. The few who aren't so good, have to keep working because we need them. I really believe the accountability system that is in place would work just fine if we could just stop giving the less proficient officials so many jobs. That being said, there are WAY more good officials than bad, and I can only think that tightening accountability on all officials, and making a hard job even harder, will likely chase more of the good guys away. The ultimate solution to this problem starts with getting more guys and gals into stripes, not holding officials feet to the fire for every call they make.
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    Not good KHSAA

    Accountability is important. However, it always seems to be from the standpoint of negativity. As in, "let's catch the ref doing something wrong" Nobody points out the literally thousands of calls a ref gets right during the course of a tournament. It's always about the few they get wrong (many of which aren't wrong, or are at least very subjective). And even if a ref gets 99.9 percent of the calls right, he's a complete turd for getting one wrong. When talking about ref's performance it's always about wanting to hammer them for a mistake. The word accountability is never used positively, or ever in regards to the behavior of parents, coaches or wrestlers towards officials. Perfection is demanded from refs, but not from anybody else. And here's the problem with survey's for coaches to evaluate ref's performance.....coaches aren't always right either, and many only see things with a biased view towards their wrestler.
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    State Tournament Hope

    I think the problem with Freedom is twofold. One, they host the National Farm Machinery Show every year which seems to always be the same weekend as state. 2nd, Bellarmine, since moving to D1 uses Freedom as it’s home basketball arena. Freedom would be a great place to hold the event, but it would likely mean having state either earlier or later, or possibly changing the weekend it’s held every year, which is doable, even if inconvenient in terms of what floating tHe date would do to scheduling year after year.
  15. To paraphrase Ranger, it’s not just about the wins. You also have to look at the losses. If your guy has some bad losses, and losses to guys the other guy has beaten and you haven’t, you will be ranked lower even if you’ve beaten him. It’s about the whole body of work.