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  1. 12 points
    Obviously a vast majority of us are not pleased with the currently proposed solution. It may be too late, but we can't let this go silently. I have attached an alternate proposal for this post season. The only chance we have to turn this thing around, if there is any at all, is to start asking for the same thing. I am urging all of you to read through this proposal and get behind it. The attached proposal outlines why the current solution is not acceptable. 46 of the top 10 ranked kids in the state are mathematically eliminated from contention already. That is 46 kids that have worked for years to get on the podium that the KHSAA is slamming the door on. Then it goes on to outline a new post season setup and its advantages. The new setup is as follows: Regional Tournament as usual 2 semi-states (Regions 1-4 and 5-8) with top 4 from each region. 16 man brackets. 16 man state championship, top 8 from each semi state. Next it outlines how a "COVID Friendly" 16 man bracket tournament could be ran in a normal high school gym with 4 fans per wrestler. And lastly it shows how this setup will not only result in a better and more fair setup for the wrestlers but also generate more revenue for the KHSAA than the other current proposal. I know this is not a perfect proposal and maybe you think that you have a slightly better idea, but we are not going to get anywhere until we all start saying the same thing. We need to work together and take this proposal to the board of control. If we can all stand behind one idea maybe, just maybe we can get them to change this. Otherwise we're going to be stuck with whatever idea they come up with on their own, which obviously is not what we want. At this link you can find the KHSAA Board of control. https://khsaa.org/2020-21-khsaa-board-of-control/ Our best chance is for everyone to have their Coach/AD/Super call their representative and show them this proposal. Please help me spread the word on this and let's see if we can get something done on this finally. Wrestling Post Season Alternate Proposal.pdf
  2. 9 points
    If they are saying that the Semi-State and State are the "SAME" tournament just broken up in 2 different weekends. Then any kid that loses their first match at Semi-State should have the opportunity to keep wrestling back to get third, unless you go 0-2 early on, the kids should all stay in the tournament and have a shot to advance to the "STATE" tournament. If they are allowing the team points to carry over, well then let the wrestlers that are still in carry over to the next weekend also. Its not about the KHSAA, or the coaches. Its about giving these kids the best opportunity, the best State tournament experience they deserve. If we were at Alltech arena and had a 32 man bracket or even a 16 man bracket, any kid that loses can still try to come back to take third. This will never happen, too many egos at top. I think the KHSAA should build committees/BOC for each sport. Put the people that know their sport on these committees and let these people run their state tournaments. Softball does theirs, Tennis does theirs, Wrestling does theirs, etc... KHSAA can oversee it and be there as a resource, but let the wrestling coaches run the State tournaments. Give them a budget, let them decided on what the medals/trophies will be, or at least let them have some say on designs. Obviously they want to keep as much of this uniform as possible with all sports, but some things can be tweaked. The Football and Basketball trophies aren't the same as the rest of the sports. Let the coaches get the venue with some guidance from KHSAA. My point is that you don't take KHSAA out of the picture, but let the people/coaches that know their sport run the State Tournament. I hear it all the time, we aren't there yet or we aren't big enough yet or we don't have that many teams yet. I call BS on this. When Ranger and I were on the MS board as President and VP, we looked at that opportunity on how we could can make the MS State tournament better than it was. Always trying to improve things, from new podium, medals, bracket boards, state final singlets and many other things. If you haven't ever been, go to the last day of the Ohio State HS Wrestling Tournament. This is like seeing the ocean for the first time, its overwhelming. We aren't even on the same universe with them regarding what a State tournament is like or should be ran like. Its mind-boggling actually. We as coaches can run this event, we just need the KHSAA to trust that they have some really good wrestling coaches/people that can do this. Its so distasteful to see what these kids have worked for and now they have a tournament that just checks the box for them to say we did our part, there was a State tournament. You can bet that they would never cut out the first or second round of the Sweet 16. I just feel bad for these kids!
  3. 5 points
    Special thanks to all the Ryle kids for messing up the rankings. Lol. 10 of 14 move up.
  4. 4 points
    “State first round tournament” where you can have 1 loss in a double elimination tournament, yet unable to advance. “State first round tournament” where you can have 1 loss in a double elimination tournament, yet still wrestle for a title. They can change match lengths a week before regionals, but can’t change the number of qualifiers as indoor capacity limits increase 400%? But “we should all be happy we get to compete...” hahaha This has been the most mentally and emotionally taxing season I think I’ve been a part of.
  5. 4 points
    We are all bitching about this while I watch Indiana wrestle. They have kids with 50 matches and their state finals are running pretty normal.
  6. 3 points
    Not sure about the whole state but we went to 40% attendence as of Friday for all indoor events. With that being said if we could just take the top 3 in each semi state tourney and make the finals a 12 man bracket. That would still solve the over night as it can be finished in one day and the problem of who is better to take 2 or 3 take them both. Each winner of Semi gets seeded and a bye. Then seed the remainder of the kids and wrestle to top 8 problem solved. Wont happen but should. Also as for rankings our 113 Chance Carmon/Daviess is out for year. Jaxon Winkler at 220 will be our 197 and last I was told the Owensboro kid at that weight Austin Gough is no longer wrestling. Just to help with kids in and out.
  7. 3 points
    Hello, I just wanted to reach out in case any parents or wrestlers were interested in joining our club. The high school club is coached by both Derrick Smallwood and Corey Knoth. We are located in the Hardin County area, anyone from any surrounding team is more than welcomed. I also have another smaller location in the Simpsonville area. Derrick Smallwood currently wrestles for Lindsey Wilson and is ranked 2nd in the country. While in high school he was a two-time region champ and a runner-up twice, having made the finals all 4 years. He was also a Kentucky State Champion and also placed third another year. He is a Flo Nationals All-American (4th), as well as a two-time MSC champion, also having placed 3rd. He earned All-American honors last year for Lindsey Wilson and will be looking to do so again this year. Corey Knoth currently wrestles D1 at Bellarmine. While in high school I was a region champ and a state placer. I won the Grece state tournament and finished runner-up at freestyle state. I was also a district placer while I wrestled in New Jersey, and placed at state there as well. Both of us have lots of experience at the national level and are looking to get more Kentucky guys and girls wrestling at the next level, or at the very least to the best of their ability while still in high school. Both of us have also received Academic All-American honors, we value the school aspect just as much as the wrestling aspect, wrestling is a privilege. Our goal is to help our wrestlers excel in the classroom, on the mat, and in life. If anyone is interested please contact me at 270-945-4448 or cknoth@bellarmine.edu
  8. 3 points
    Freedom Hall is open and were willing to host. They have capacity of 18,000 x .15 which is 2700. Charge each kid wrestling in the state tournament 20.00 and 20.00 per spectator and you now have over 15,000 dollars to rent the venue. They may even do it for 10,000 because they have not had many events and now you have a great place In The middle of the state with 5,000 for the KHSAA to recoup some lost money on the year. 16 man brackets, 1 day, socially distanced. Plus the venue gets us for another 10 each for parking. Win - win for everyone.
  9. 3 points
    Obviously a vast majority of us are not pleased with the currently proposed solution. It may be too late, but we can't let this go silently. I have attached an alternate proposal for this post season. The only chance we have to turn this thing around, if there is any at all, is to start asking for the same thing. I am urging all of you to read through this proposal and get behind it. The attached proposal outlines why the current solution is not acceptable. 46 of the top 10 ranked kids in the state are mathematically eliminated from contention already. That is 46 kids that have worked for years to get on the podium that the KHSAA is slamming the door on. Then it goes on to outline a new post season setup and its advantages. The new setup is as follows: Regional Tournament as usual 2 semi-states (Regions 1-4 and 5-8) with top 4 from each region. 16 man brackets. 16 man state championship, top 8 from each semi state. Next it outlines how a "COVID Friendly" 16 man bracket tournament could be ran in a normal high school gym with 4 fans per wrestler. And lastly it shows how this setup will not only result in a better and more fair setup for the wrestlers but also generate more revenue for the KHSAA than the other current proposal. I know this is not a perfect proposal and maybe you think that you have a slightly better idea, but we are not going to get anywhere until we all start saying the same thing. We need to work together and take this proposal to the board of control. If we can all stand behind one idea maybe, just maybe we can get them to change this. Otherwise we're going to be stuck with whatever idea they come up with on their own, which obviously is not what we want. At this link you can find the KHSAA Board of control. https://khsaa.org/2020-21-khsaa-board-of-control/ Our best chance is for everyone to have their Coach/AD/Super call their representative and show them this proposal. Please help me spread the word on this and let's see if we can get something done on this finally. Wrestling Post Season Alternate Proposal.pdf
  10. 3 points
    I do believe if it had been top 4 out of semi-state and a 16 man bracket we would be seeing a lot less outrage. The way this bracket is set up reminds me of similar issues Virginia had in I want to say 2015 when they split into 6 or so different divisions and had 8 man state brackets
  11. 3 points
    It truly baffles me that it can be repeated over and over and not cause huge concern that our Association is Ok with just getting this ran and over with and not put the best product out their for our sport and these kids. This attitude of “ we should just be thankful” is getting old, while so many states have and are showing that it can be done in the normal format. How can it not be a goal to create the most competitive State as possible. Also “semi-state” is not like an extension of the 1st day of state. You don’t have the ability to wrestle back to a third place at state. Using the same information others are using on this thread as where kids are at (Kentucky Wrestling Forum’s Rankings by Ranger, which always seem pretty accurate). Regions that have 5-6 of the top ten leave home 4 of those wrestlers while other regions that have wrestlers down the list get an automatic trip to state. Also the state race now becomes about the higher ranked teams in same regions eliminating each other while other regions advance wrestlers based on lack of competition. It’s crazy that this whole foundation is built on a governor and his medical sidekick to establish how many people can be together with no ability to make a concession to all post season events to be normal and use a venue that can accommodate this sport.
  12. 3 points
    Well we’re closing in on the State Duals which means State is right around the corner. Any answers yet with what was proposed by our Coaches Association to the KHSAA? I know a few teams submitted a detailed proposal to the Coaches Association on what could work for just this year. Can we get some information on this forum to what we have to look forward to. So far I’ve heard 4 advance out of Regionals to a Semi State(1/2,3/4,5/6,7/8 regions grouped together to make semi state). Then only 2 come out of a semi state to make a 8 man bracket at State in a high school located south of Lexington. Your points from Semi state carry in to State for a team championship. I’ve also heard a proposal to have a Eastern State Champ and Western State Champ and finally I’ve heard small school and a large school state championship was being pushed by some. Hotels are open and the opportunity to travel is there. Why can’t we have the Regionals, advance the too 4 as always to a Semi State, advance the top 4 then have a 2 day 16 man bracket to give the wrestlers the best chance to compete. Most Parents and teams want to travel and if it’s in Lexington, most can get there within a couple hours. The good folks out in Western Kentucky seem ready and eager to travel since Region 1 is full of State Placers that with a 2 man semi state advancement, leaves several state placers at home. Same with Region 5/6 combined. We need to give all the kids our best as parents and coaches. I don’t see the Girls or Boys Basketball championships being watered down or a venue change. Just my 2 cents.
  13. 3 points
    Shocked how? He's been at 138 all season
  14. 3 points
    The Ty Lehman vs Payne Carr match was incredible. Best match I had watched all year. 1st Period: Lehman tosses Carr to his back securing takedown and 3 point nearfall. Carr reverses and the Lehman gets an escape. Lehman lands a Japanese arm-throw but doesn't get the takedown out of bounds. Carr lands nastily on his head. Score is 6-2 Lehman. 2nd Period: Carr chooses bottom and escapes, 6-3 Lehman. One toss attempt after another, Carr lands a lateral drop to get the takedown and 3 point nearfall. Score is 8-6 Carr. Lehman escapes making it 8-7 Carr. Carr lands another takedown and Lehman escapes again. Score is 10-8 Carr. 3rd Period: Lehman chooses bottom and escapes. 10-9 Carr. Another toss by Payne Carr puts Lehman on his back with score 15-9. Lehman escapes and Payne gets another takedown to finish the match 17-10.
  15. 3 points
    We'd drive 15 hours if it meant we could compete...
  16. 3 points
    This is fairly simple. Regional events held as normal. Top 4 from each region move to a district tournament. 2 regions per district 1vs.2 and so on. This makes an 8 man bracket per weight class per district, with 4 districts advancing top 4 to state for a 16 man bracket at State tournament. This doesn't get 32 wrestlers per weight class to the state tournament. But it does come very close to getting the correct 16 to the State tournament. With restrictions being what they are, 32 is not a realistic accomplishment. This adds 1 weekend to post season that is much more manageable. Just my 2 cents.
  17. 3 points
    Ryle over Paducah Tilghman 63-9 Noah Duke with first period pin over Seth Slayton Savage with first period pin over Virzi Match of the day went to Cole Thomas bumping up to 132 to wrestle #3 Eli Peyton. Peyton controlled the first two periods up maybe 4-2 starting the third. Scrambling led the score to like 9-8 Peyton (correct me if I'm wrong) then Cole Thomas became superman like he always does and dominated the remainder of the match up 15-9 and ended the match with a third period pin. Exciting to watch!
  18. 3 points
    Have regions normally. semi state can be regions 1-4 and 5-8. 16 man brackets at semi state (4 from each region). Top 8 go to state.
  19. 3 points
    Create a semi state. Top 4 from two regions wrestle for 4 spots. Match regions up by # of entrants. Region with the most wrestlers pairs up with the region that has the least competitors. Host is whatever school has the largest facility. So if region 1 has the most wrestlers and region 3 has the least (just as an example) then they create one semi state. Then the 2nd biggest region and the second smallest region wrestle. So on and so forth. 8 man brackets for semi state to get to a 16 man bracket at state. The kids still get to be “state qualifiers”. They still get the opportunity to advance. Pairing the regions like that isn’t perfect but it seems like a good way of leveling the playing field. Some kids would have an easier region but then a tougher semi state. Others would be harder at regions but then face a thinner region at semi state. just a thought. I
  20. 3 points
    Dylan Walls has had a hell of a week!!!
  21. 3 points
    I’m not sure about week 1, but week 2 should have some fireworks. Ryle, Woodford, and Trinity travel to Union.
  22. 3 points
    Happy Thanksgiving to Ky Wrestling. This is probably first time since the start of KY HS Wrestling that all the wrestlers are able to enjoy eating, without the worries of a weight cut. Take Gods gracious blessings however they come!!! Prayers for a Super Blessed day for u all. We will be back on the mat eventually. Stay Healthy!!God Bless!!!
  23. 2 points
    Couldn’t have said it any better. Pretty much covers the feeling of the majority of the wrestling community that gets repeated every year.
  24. 2 points
    I went with top 10 to keep it simple. Also went with top 10 teams. Used Rangers latest rankings. "Miss State" is top 10 kids who will not make it to state. There is a big discrepancy between the "semi states". In the team breakdown, "make state" is top 10 kids on given team that are top two in the semi state. Outside qualifiers are kids who are ranked outside of the top ten but top 2 in their given semi state. St. X and Trinity lead the way with 3 kids each ranked outside of the top ten but qualifying for an 8 man state. Eli Mattingly-Neal (#18 @ 126) and Ayden Lehman (#24 @ 132) are some of the big ones that pop out. Lehman did wrestle 126 recently. Kid that potentially won't qualify: 106: Hardin, Campbell, Raney, Matt 113: Teutsch, McKee, Griffith 120: Lattin, Benner, Stanley 126: Quintana, Tucker, Stull, Isaacs 132: Herron, Ross, Lewis, Nardelli 138: Stull, James, Andreoni, Johnson, Sproles 145: Bowers, Chapman 152: Phan, Grandstaff 160: Ketchen-Carter, Conrad, Hyden 170: Slayton, Baker 182: Riggins, Walls, McWilliams, Haggan 195: Adams, Whitehead, Hatchett 220: Boone, Elliston, Brooksbank, Leicht 285: Mooney, Arthur, Smith Some state champs, runner ups, multi time placers that are getting screwed. Some, it is their senior year. Way to go KHSAA
  25. 2 points
    Lots of questions to be answered. What are the limiting factors? Attendance, money, overnight stay, Khsaa rules ? Other tourneys are going on all over the nation with the basic protocols and everything has been fine.