Jbrown1405 11 Report post Posted January 27, 2015 MLee is correct Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trithis 34 Report post Posted January 27, 2015 Wow! No whinning and complaining today? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestling fan 3 Report post Posted January 27, 2015 Thanks Mike. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_rebel33 4 Report post Posted January 27, 2015 I think people's frustrations are not knowing how brackets are arranged and the idea of not keeping things out in the open will lead to moving kids around to benefit their chances of placing. I know this is not the case because most of us know who puts these together would not do that, but I do see it happen in off season tourneys a lot. Plus most people who complaining are parents and are not privileged to all the info. Also, if coaches really understand how the process worked, they would really put up a better arguement for their wrestlers in the #2 or #3 seeding of the #1's. If what MLee has posted is correct, I can see a huge advantage in the 86lb class with Lee being a #2 and Ballinger being a #3. The #3 will have to face Mattingly who is by far the toughest #2. Also how in the world was Deck not the overwhelming #1 at 98? Thats surprising. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jbrown1405 11 Report post Posted January 27, 2015 86 1 seed is from Region 1 so Region 1s 2 can't be on the top. Looks like 3 would be the most appropriate place. It does suck but that's how it falls out. Some overall 1s have the toughest 2 it is just part of the tournament. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marriedtothemat 13 Report post Posted January 27, 2015 I think people's frustrations are not knowing how brackets are arranged and the idea of not keeping things out in the open will lead to moving kids around to benefit their chances of placing. I know this is not the case because most of us know who puts these together would not do that, but I do see it happen in off season tourneys a lot. Plus most people who complaining are parents and are not privileged to all the info. Also, if coaches really understand how the process worked, they would really put up a better arguement for their wrestlers in the #2 or #3 seeding of the #1's. If what MLee has posted is correct, I can see a huge advantage in the 86lb class with Lee being a #2 and Ballinger being a #3. The #3 will have to face Mattingly who is by far the toughest #2. Also how in the world was Deck not the overwhelming #1 at 98? Thats surprising. The problem with your statement is no one person can rearrange the brackets to better anyone. Approx. 50 coaches were on the seeding meeting call. They heard every weight and every seed. Once seeds are decided, the bracket works itself out. There are no questions or ways to manipulate it without changing the seeding. So nothing is hidden from any coach who took the time to participate in the seeding meeting call. If they wrote down each weight and the seeded wrestlers all they need to figure out every bracket is the region results which are already posted either on here or on trackwrestling. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
REscalera 189 Report post Posted January 27, 2015 I don't think he's saying mattingly should be on top. I think he's saying that he would think that the coaches for region winners that are the #2 seed would have put up a better fight for seeding so that their wrestler didn't have to face mattingly until later in the bracket. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
plantmanky1 58 Report post Posted January 27, 2015 I think people's frustrations are not knowing how brackets are arranged and the idea of not keeping things out in the open will lead to moving kids around to benefit their chances of placing. I know this is not the case because most of us know who puts these together would not do that, but I do see it happen in off season tourneys a lot. Plus most people who complaining are parents and are not privileged to all the info. Also, if coaches really understand how the process worked, they would really put up a better arguement for their wrestlers in the #2 or #3 seeding of the #1's. If what MLee has posted is correct, I can see a huge advantage in the 86lb class with Lee being a #2 and Ballinger being a #3. The #3 will have to face Mattingly who is by far the toughest #2. Also how in the world was Deck not the overwhelming #1 at 98? Thats surprising. See post 12 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_rebel33 4 Report post Posted January 27, 2015 I wasn't saying anyone was rearranging brackets. I was just saying until MLee posted how to arrange the brackets, there was no info out in the open on how the process worked, which could lead to this type of speculation. If this info was out in the open then we wouldn't see so many people complaining and fearing the worst. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_rebel33 4 Report post Posted January 27, 2015 Thanks Plantmanky1. It kinda makes sense now that I see that post, but the guy has been ranked #1 all year long and has been a state runner up the past 2 years to Tucker from Woodford. I don't see how the process could not make him a #1. I guess the other coach was really convincing. Probably an attorney! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EAST 46 Report post Posted January 27, 2015 Thanks Plantmanky1. It kinda makes sense now that I see that post, but the guy has been ranked #1 all year long and has been a state runner up the past 2 years to Tucker from Woodford. I don't see how the process could not make him a #1. I guess the other coach was really convincing. Probably an attorney! I rarely post on this site but here are the facts 2013 Deck 6th at 75 Wheeler 3rd at 80 2014 Deck 2nd at 86 to Tucker Wheeler 2nd at 92 to Roth 2015 Deck undefeated in state opponents at 105 Wheeler undefeated in state opponents at 98 The mediator made the call there were no arguments and no I'm not an attorney just the coach that was on the call for my team and actually I didn't say much just the facts. One more thing Tucker was the runner up in 2013 to Yenter he won his first state title 2014. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
REscalera 189 Report post Posted January 27, 2015 Come on now, let's not get bogged down with the facts. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marriedtothemat 13 Report post Posted January 27, 2015 Does Deck have any loses to Ky opponents at the middle school level? Just curious. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chris Duke 284 Report post Posted January 27, 2015 I think people's frustrations are not knowing how brackets are arranged and the idea of not keeping things out in the open will lead to moving kids around to benefit their chances of placing. I know this is not the case because most of us know who puts these together would not do that, but I do see it happen in off season tourneys a lot. Plus most people who complaining are parents and are not privileged to all the info. Also, if coaches really understand how the process worked, they would really put up a better arguement for their wrestlers in the #2 or #3 seeding of the #1's. If what MLee has posted is correct, I can see a huge advantage in the 86lb class with Lee being a #2 and Ballinger being a #3. The #3 will have to face Mattingly who is by far the toughest #2. Also how in the world was Deck not the overwhelming #1 at 98? Thats surprising. The information is out there you just have to do a little research to find it. KSWA is using the same format as last year. If you really wanted to figure out who would have who just work the brackets from last year. It's not our fault that we did our homework and made the best possible situation for our wrestlers! As a coach, parent, or team mom it is our job to give our kids the best chance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MLee 68 Report post Posted January 27, 2015 I think people's frustrations are not knowing how brackets are arranged and the idea of not keeping things out in the open will lead to moving kids around to benefit their chances of placing. I know this is not the case because most of us know who puts these together would not do that, but I do see it happen in off season tourneys a lot. Plus most people who complaining are parents and are not privileged to all the info. Also, if coaches really understand how the process worked, they would really put up a better arguement for their wrestlers in the #2 or #3 seeding of the #1's. If what MLee has posted is correct, I can see a huge advantage in the 86lb class with Lee being a #2 and Ballinger being a #3. The #3 will have to face Mattingly who is by far the toughest #2. Also how in the world was Deck not the overwhelming #1 at 98? Thats surprising. Coaches that do their homework certainly do and should make a case for their wrestlers. In the case of 86, Lee had a head 2 head win over Ballinger. Not much arguing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ranger123 43 Report post Posted January 27, 2015 Come on MLee that was WAYYYY too soon. Actually thanks to some help from a Brave little elf the brackets are completed and ready to open to the public on track. I just need to do one last qc check. The event is called KSWA State Championship on track. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tapout 12 Report post Posted January 27, 2015 Random draw or seeding, some people are never going to be happy either way it's done. Seeding the regional winners certainly has to be more fair than a random draw. Is it really a legitimate complaint that one weight class is not a perfect bracket....... Perfect brackets are never going to happen in any way the brackets are drawn. The seeding meeting had coach input for all kids except two. I'd say that's as fair overall as it can be done! Now it's up to the kids to sort it out!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IWIN 49 Report post Posted January 27, 2015 Hey Ranger, just went to Track and found the event just as you have it posted. Unfortunately it said that the brackets weren't available to the public yet. Am I doing something wrong, or are you still doing your final check? Thanks in advance for your help. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tigerstripes 0 Report post Posted January 28, 2015 I rarely post on this site but here are the facts 2013 Deck 6th at 75 Wheeler 3rd at 80 2014 Deck 2nd at 86 to Tucker Wheeler 2nd at 92 to Roth 2015 Deck undefeated in state opponents at 105 Wheeler undefeated in state opponents at 98 The mediator made the call there were no arguments and no I'm not an attorney just the coach that was on the call for my team and actually I didn't say much just the facts. One more thing Tucker was the runner up in 2013 to Yenter he won his first state title 2014. didn't Deck beat Wheeler head to head this year? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ranger123 43 Report post Posted January 28, 2015 Hey Ranger, just went to Track and found the event just as you have it posted. Unfortunately it said that the brackets weren't available to the public yet. Am I doing something wrong, or are you still doing your final check? Thanks in advance for your help. Yep, still double checking the seeding and matchups. The Brave man did a lot of work in a short time and I don't want to hear the whining when someone's name is spelled wrong or someone possibly ends up placed in the wrong spot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ranger123 43 Report post Posted January 28, 2015 Wrestling fan you now have a full 10 days to study not just the seeds but the full bracket and figure out that foolproof strategy for the state tournament. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gameface 253 Report post Posted January 28, 2015 Wrestling fan you now have a full 10 days to study not just the seeds but the full bracket and figure out that foolproof strategy for the state tournament. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gameface 253 Report post Posted January 28, 2015 Let me be one of the first to say thank you for putting this together in less than 2 days. I'd like to see people like "wrestling fan" step up and help us make this a better state for wrestling. Run for office and do their part instead of criticizing the people that do it for free in their limited free time. It's a thankless job with the only reward being the love of this sport and the satisfaction of coaching or watching our kids compete locally or nationally and how far they've came. It's not about the "wrestling fan" first, it's about the wrestlers first. Thanks Ranger and Brave for getting it right!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dutch 178 Report post Posted January 28, 2015 Well said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestling fan 3 Report post Posted January 28, 2015 Thanks again for posting the seeds, that is all I asked for. I am so happy that you found the kindness in your heart to post them and not leave me wondering. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
