FalconWrestling 147 Report post Posted March 10, 2015 That's painful for Sapp but all he has to do is use the disappointment to fuel a championship run next year Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
standing granby 20 Report post Posted March 10, 2015 wouldn't the 2 pt takedown only tied it and sent it to OT? In a match that close and a call that razor thin Id rather it just go to to OT and let first takedown decide it. I know that's not the fair way or rules based in any way just my gut reaction as a spectator when I see one of those calls that could go either way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FalconWrestling 147 Report post Posted March 11, 2015 wouldn't the 2 pt takedown only tied it and sent it to OT? In a match that close and a call that razor thin Id rather it just go to to OT and let first takedown decide it. I know that's not the fair way or rules based in any way just my gut reaction as a spectator when I see one of those calls that could go either way. No it was a one point win, takedown decided the match Exactly like my example although when it happened to me the score was 1-0 not 3-2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bestmistake33 28 Report post Posted March 11, 2015 Just realized that quarterfinals and semi finals are on day 2. When it was back in Frankfort didn't they have only the semis the morning of the final day? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jim 2 Report post Posted March 11, 2015 3 day event in frankfort first day had 2 rounds i believe 1 champion 1 conso Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
standing granby 20 Report post Posted March 11, 2015 Semis in the morning of day 2 was when they had the 16 man bracket Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wky 25 Report post Posted March 11, 2015 Brandon leak from north Hardin is on fire beats Derek miller first round and then beat Bryan Sparh in the second round 10-5... Leak looked good today Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PinAndWin 64 Report post Posted March 11, 2015 What was the scenario in the Ashford match? how do you give the kid 2 then take it away? There was 1 sec left. Jmo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
B10grapple 7 Report post Posted March 11, 2015 I don't know about giving it and taking it away. What I can say is I didn't have a dog in the fight, it happened literally right in front of me and I think time ran out. The consensus around me was the same. It was a very tough call and I don't think you can blame the ref either way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FalconWrestling 147 Report post Posted March 11, 2015 Just realized that quarterfinals and semi finals are on day 2. When it was back in Frankfort didn't they have only the semis the morning of the final day? If memory serves me right it was semis and consolation semis in the morning, placing matches in the afternoon, and finals in the late afternoon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
halfhalfhalf 121 Report post Posted March 11, 2015 It's quartersfinals then 3rd Rd of wrestlebacks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coachteater 70 Report post Posted March 11, 2015 What was the scenario in the Ashford match?the scoreboard operator cost male the match. It was his call that td wasn't in time Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
afan 4 Report post Posted March 11, 2015 the scoreboard operator cost male the match. It was his call that td wasn't in time From where we were sitting, it looked like the ref was waving off the td as the buzzer hit, then he signaled 2 after the buzzer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coachteater 70 Report post Posted March 11, 2015 From where we were sitting, it looked like the ref was waving off the td as the buzzer hit, then he signaled 2 after the buzzer.takedown was in time. Scoreboard operator said he messed up and started clock late. So they went by his "count" and he said it wasn't in time Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHS98 34 Report post Posted March 11, 2015 Well since standing granby brought up about bindner getting a penalty point and failed to find out why so it sounds alot worse than it was i will elaborate, He was challenged by the wrestlerettes to do a little dance they always do,he learned that it is not allowed (the hard way).So no he didn't flip off the ref or throw his head gear or anything close to that ,he did a terrible dance celebration,that was so bad they should have taken away 2 pts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PinAndWin 64 Report post Posted March 11, 2015 So if the scoreboard operator started the clock late how is that the kids fault? When the ref called 2 there was 1 sec on the clock. No way they should leave that in the scoreboard operators hands. The ref should go by whats on the clock at the time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
J.W. 21 Report post Posted March 11, 2015 Well actually it is always in clock operators hands. Read rule book. Clock operator has final say so on time....not the referee. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rjs4470 103 Report post Posted March 11, 2015 So if the scoreboard operator started the clock late how is that the kids fault? When the ref called 2 there was 1 sec on the clock. No way they should leave that in the scoreboard operators hands. The ref should go by whats on the clock at the time. That goes both ways. How is the kid who gave up the takedown at fault?? Why should he be penalized and the kid who got the takedown awarded be rewarded for extra time that shouldn't have happened?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PinAndWin 64 Report post Posted March 11, 2015 Well actually it is always in clock operators hands. Read rule book. Clock operator has final say so on time....not the referee. yeah final say on whether clock expired or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
standing granby 20 Report post Posted March 11, 2015 Well since standing granby brought up about bindner getting a penalty point and failed to find out why so it sounds alot worse than it was i will elaborate, He was challenged by the wrestlerettes to do a little dance they always do,he learned that it is not allowed (the hard way).So no he didn't flip off the ref or throw his head gear or anything close to that ,he did a terrible dance celebration,that was so bad they should have taken away 2 pts Ok I had actually heard later he used his hand like a pistol and pointed it at his opponent after the win pretending to shoot. Which would be incredibly classy since there is actually a kid in our KY wrestling community who was recently shot but since I didn't see it myself I didn't say that. But you cleared that up by sayin it was a taunting call for dancing. Not sure if that motion was part of his premeditated dance for winning the 2nd round or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHS98 34 Report post Posted March 11, 2015 Lol,so you really think he was celebrating a 2nd round match that hard.And you are going to compare that to an actual shooting,lol please.It was stupid i agree but maybe if pro athletes didn't give these kids dumb ideas they wouldn't do some of the things theydo,for example Aaron Rogers always pretending to pull 2 guns out of a holster and shoot them after scoring a touchdown.I don't see anyone camparing that to actual shootings Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keepyourheadup 10 Report post Posted March 11, 2015 Well actually it is always in clock operators hands. Read rule book. Clock operator has final say so on time....not the referee. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PinAndWin 64 Report post Posted March 11, 2015 Find it in the rule book where it says if the clock operator starts the clock late that they can over rule a called td with time on the clock. If thats in the rule book kudos for getting it right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keepyourheadup 10 Report post Posted March 11, 2015 Well I'm just going to say the old saying. Never leave it in the hands of the reff Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rjs4470 103 Report post Posted March 11, 2015 Find it in the rule book where it says if the clock operator starts the clock late that they can over rule a called td with time on the clock. If thats in the rule book kudos for getting it right. The clock operator isn't overruling the takedown, he's only letting the ref know whether time had expired or not. If the clock operator said the clock expired (or should have expired if there was an error) the match is over. You can't score a takedown (or any points) once the match ends. You see this all the time...if there is a question as to whether a score occurred before time expires, the ref always consults the clock operator before awarding (or disallowing) the points. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
