Best in the State

[high crotch 0]

Now that state is done and people have got to see every wrestler in the state who do you all think are the 5 best.

My top 5 have got to be:

1- John Fahye 96

2- JJ Jude 124

3- Alex Murphy 117

4- Drew Newberry 230

5- Luke Troxell 103

[breeser 0]

Now that state is done and people have got to see every wrestler in the state who do you all think are the 5 best.

My top 5 have got to be:

1- John Fahye 96

2- JJ Jude 124

3- Alex Murphy 117

4- Drew Newberry 230

5- Luke Troxell 103

JJ Jude is in the 131 class not 124  Omar Jarvin was the 124 champ

[hasbeen 0]

John Fahy-96

JJ Jude- 131

Kevin Cooper- 110

Alex Murphy- 117

Luke Troxell- 103

Benard Ray- 165

Logan Wedding- 82

Brock Ervin- 75

Drew Newberry- 230

Sean Fausz- 70

I know you were talking about top 5 but these to me were the top 10 at state

[wcwrestler189 0]

Are those supposed to be in order, if so Jude should definitly be 1st

[workhard 28]

John Fahey is a 5 timer undefeated in kentucky for 5yrs.Jude is a 15yr old wrestling people 1 and 2yrs younger than him.I know of a few freshmen who are younger than him and if they had repeated 8th grade Jude would not have won .Once again the rules punish academic achievers who move up in grades and reward people putting sports before grades.Make it age limits only regardless of what grade your in and it would change the outcome of this weekends state tournament completely from 105 and up.John Fahey competing on a equal level with his competition has proven 5yrs in a row he is the best.

[Buckeye 20]

John Fahey is a 5 timer undefeated in kentucky for 5yrs.Jude is a 15yr old wrestling people 1 and 2yrs younger than him.I know of a few freshmen who are younger than him and if they had repeated 8th grade Jude would not have won .Once again the rules punish academic achievers who move up in grades and reward people putting sports before grades.Make it age limits only regardless of what grade your in and it would change the outcome of this weekends state tournament completely from 105 and up.John Fahey competing on a equal level with his competition has proven 5yrs in a row he is the best.

First of all you don't have to bash Jude...

Second of all the age limit in high school IS 19 years old. So subtract 4 from that and you have 15. Maybe 1 more of school would help you!!!

[Buckeye 20]

I guess 1 moreYEARof school wouldn't hurt me either!

[workhard 28]

First of all I was responding to why I believe John Fahey is a better choice for best at state.Second I am sorry if pointing out that Judes age is older than some very accomplished freshmen came across as bashing.I was really trying to make a position that age and weight makes for a more equal competition.Now for my thinking on age at 8th grade.Children who start school at 5 plus 8 are 13 in the 8th grade,start at 6 and you are 14 in the 8th grade,15 seems an unfair advantage to me that age and weight would take care of.I am sorry if I offended someone .

[Union Wresler 0]

JJ Jude Is a great guy. He may be a little older but that does not mean anything. He could have Statrted wrestling last year. I think he did wonderful I was in his weight class and although I didnt get to wrestle him I saw that he was good. I came in third in that same weight class. I started wrestling in the fifth grade. I started School when i was 4. He might have just been wrestling longer. I dont think age matters in this case he has just wrestled for a long time.Im only 13. I was really hoping to get to wrestle him. :mrgreen:

[grappler-of-old 44]

Second of all the age limit in high school IS 19 years old. So subtract 4 from that and you have 15. Maybe 1 more of school would help you!!!

This has been discussed on another threat.  The age limit for high school is 18.  You must be 18 years old on (I believe it was) August 15th. 

Therefore the age limit for middle school should be 14 by August 15th. 

Any of those that are 15 wrestling in middle school probably meet this requirement. 

[workhard 28]

This is the second person who has pointed out what the age rule is .I never said anyone broke a rule.The point I was making is that there are very good wrestlers younger than 14 at aug 1st but they are ineligible because they are in 9th grade.If they had failed or for other reasons repeated 8th grade they would have been eligible.Changing the eligibility to age and weight regardless of grade would give them the opportunity to wrestle.Many of these older 8th graders wrestle high school why not let the guys who are in many cases younger than them but in 9th grade compete.Personally I think changing the eligibility rule would take away some of reasons people choose to repeat 8th grade.

[refdad 3]

I am going to stick my two cents in on this. My son is a 6th grader who lost this year to the (OLDER) 8th grade kids. Where his birthday falls he could be held back and repeat the 6th grade. He is an honor roll student and himself does not want to be held back only for sports so he will move up to the 7th next year. Listen, despite what your opinion may or may not be the fact is that as long as this complies with the KHSAA rules and guidelines like it or not it is acceptable and everyone has that same opportunity.

[pioneer_pride 1]

Listen, despite what your opinion may or may not be the fact is that as long as this complies with the KHSAA rules and guidelines like it or not it is acceptable and everyone has that same opportunity.

I agree with your statement in part, except for the bold part above.  I'm not sure if a school district can legally say "no, you can not hold your child back".  I never was involved with a case that got to that point.  But some school districts will definitely frown on this, and try to resist as much as possible allowing a kid to be held back after the 3rd grade.  They will go as far as to say "no".  If a parent wanted to pursue it legally, I would think the district would back down, but I'm not sure.  From what I have learned this is a site based decision, and not all sites are as lenient on this as others.

[ubtappin 1]

I'm pretty sure that the KHSAA rules state that if you repeat a grade year you can't participate in athletics that year.  A lot of middle schools have that policy.  Holding your child back solely for athletics is ridiculous

[Marjo 2]

back to the question asked originally ... Best in State.  I think you could make a case for either Fahy or Jude regardless of age.  Both were clearly dominant and very impressive wrestlers.  5 years undefeated and 5 MS state titles for fahy could be a record that stands for a long time and might never be broken.  Just below those 2 I would put Troxell, Cooper, Ray.  That would be my top 5.

[sting 2]

seems to me the only eligibility rules were to be a Ky. resident and not 15 yrs. old before Aug. 1. No grades mentioned in eligibility that I see.

[workhard 28]

Sting if you are correct on that rule then I apologize for saying anything.I have 3 sons wrestling and have been to middle school state 4 times.I have heard of wrestlers holding back too wrestle in state but I have never heard of a 14 yr old freshman wrestling in it,so I assumed it could not be done.I would be interested in seeing these rules if you would post where to find them.

[refdad 3]

UBTAPPIN: you say" to hold a child back solely for athletics is ridiculous!" let me ask this.. What about some of theses kids that are 8th graders and are wrestling 75 or 82 lbs weight classes. What type of a high school experience are theses kids going to have based on the fact that they are so under sized in comparison to everyone else? its obvious that they most certainly will never step foot on the football field in high school until possibly their junior or senior year. not to mention wrestling 103 as a freshman only weighing maybe 90lbs or so. With boys sports do play a part in their self esteem and self confidence not to mention the fact of gym class getting dressed and undressed among your peers that are 30, 50 or maybe 70 to 80 lbs heavier due to this particular child not hitting puberty as early as most.. I respect your opinion but to make a statement like holding a child back solely for athletics is ridiculous, is a bit unfair. But once again, just my opinion

[CCMS_SC 59]

This thread has become ridiculous.  We saw some very good wrestling this weekend from some very talented young wrestlers, and all anyone can find to talk about is someone's age.  This group of state placers along with last years are going to produce many state champions in the next 4-8 years at the middle and high school level.  They're all the best in the state in my opinion.  The talent level across the state continues to rise, and the future of Kentucky wrestling look bright.

[ryledad 0]

Jude, Ray, Cooper and Troxell have all had their share of varsity experience and they are certainly more mature young men than say John Fahey.  Cooper is only a 7th grader and is winning over half of his varsity matches.  Luke Troxell is also a force.  Jude and Ray are both very mature young men and its hard to distinguish their youth compared to some of the upper classmen.  However, I have seen John Fahey wrestle for the past 6 years drilling mostly with his younger brother and I am absolutely amazed at his wrestling skills.  Pound for pound when he starts wrestling at the high school level, he will be tough to beat.  At the middle school level he is obviously, unbeatable in Kentucky.  My vote goes to John Fahey.  Congratulations John on an outstanding middle school career.  He is the best of the best in middle school wrestling.  Congratulations to all the young men who won state titles this year. 

[refdad 3]

Well said RYLEDAD and I agree totally that John Fahy is a notch above anyone else in Middle School  wrestling in KY, as well as a very likeable young man. Congratulations John and good luck in High School as well as in National tournaments

[ubtappin 1]

UBTAPPIN: you say" to hold a child back solely for athletics is ridiculous!" let me ask this.. What about some of theses kids that are 8th graders and are wrestling 75 or 82 lbs weight classes. What type of a high school experience are theses kids going to have based on the fact that they are so under sized in comparison to everyone else? its obvious that they most certainly will never step foot on the football field in high school until possibly their junior or senior year. not to mention wrestling 103 as a freshman only weighing maybe 90lbs or so. With boys sports do play a part in their self esteem and self confidence not to mention the fact of gym class getting dressed and undressed among your peers that are 30, 50 or maybe 70 to 80 lbs heavier due to this particular child not hitting puberty as early as most.. I respect your opinion but to make a statement like holding a child back solely for athletics is ridiculous, is a bit unfair. But once again, just my opinion

What's unfair is all the middle school kids that don't repeat grade years, wrestle the weight class that they fall in to and then get beat at regions or state by kids that have been purposely held back, wrestling high school varsity all year and cutting 15 or 20 lbs.  I understand your point but I think that your example is a rare occurence.  We couldn't find 6th graders that weighed less than 82.  The more you try to accomodate legitimate concerns such as yours, the more others will just take advantage of the situation just to win at any cost.

and I agree, John Fahy, pound for pound is the man.

[refdad 3]

UBTAPPIN.  I can give you two kids that I know of just off the top of my head. Grant Palmer and Garth Yenter, both whom are very good wrestlers and good students but look at their weight. Both wrestled 82lbs as a 8th grader. If it falls in line with the KHSAA, and for the record my son is NOT a holdback kid, But if it is in line with the KHSAA guidelines, then apparently it is fair

[VisionQuest 64]

What's unfair is all the middle school kids that don't repeat grade years, wrestle the weight class that they fall in to and then get beat at regions or state by kids that have been purposely held back, wrestling high school varsity all year and cutting 15 or 20 lbs.  I understand your point but I think that your example is a rare occurence.  We couldn't find 6th graders that weighed less than 82.  The more you try to accomodate legitimate concerns such as yours, the more others will just take advantage of the situation just to win at any cost.

and I agree, John Fahy, pound for pound is the man.

ubtappin,

Evidently you don't know the bylaws of the KHSAA.

If an athlete is HELD BACK, he is not able to compete at the high school level that year or he will lose a year of eligibility.  So therefore, these westlers you say are being held back in middle school would use up their eligibility before there senior year.  I don't know who you are referring to when you say wrestlers are being held back and wrestling high school all year.  That would be crazy.

[ubtappin 1]

ubtappin,

Evidently you don't know the bylaws of the KHSAA.

If an athlete is HELD BACK, he is not able to compete at the high school level that year or he will lose a year of eligibility.  So therefore, these westlers you say are being held back in middle school would use up their eligibility before there senior year.  I don't know who you are referring to when you say wrestlers are being held back and wrestling high school all year.  That would be crazy.

Well, it's not to hard to see.  Just look at last years state brackets and you'll see several kids that were listed as 8th graders last year.  They are wrestling high school this year and then came back down to middle school and wrestled regions and state.  ?????