bigedcoach 27 Report post Posted January 30, 2012 Word has it that next years state duals will be split into Big School, Little School, Honestly Im not a fan of this, its weakens the quality of wrestling in this part of a state championship. Here is how things would be laid out, #1 the scariest thing I have heard was they are only going to take 1 big school and 1 small school from each region Region 1 Small School -Union, UHA, Tilghman, Caldwell, Fort Campbell Big School-Hopkinsville, Christian, Daviess, Ohio, Apollo Calloway Region 2 Small School - Larue, Ft. Knox, Danville Large School - Anderson, North Hardin, John Hardin, Central Hardin, Boyle Co, Nelson Co Region 3 Small School- Desales, Holy Cross, Shawnee@ Big School- Bullitt East, Bullitt Central, Meade, Southern, Fairdale, Valley, Western, Doss, PRP, Iroquois Region 4 Small School- Central, KSB@ Large School- Trinity, STX, Moore, Seneca, Manual, Atherton Region 5 Small School - KCD@ Large School- North Oldham, South Oldham, Oldham, Spencer, Male, Jtown, Fern Creek Eastern Region 6 Small School- Walton Verona, Bishop Brossart, Newport Big School- Ryle, Campbell, Conner, Cooper, Simon Kenton, Dixie Heights, Grant, Scott, Holmes, Boone Region 7 Small School- Western Hills, Bourbon, Frankfort@ Big School - Woodford, Franklin, Henrey Clay, Lafayette, Harrison, Bryan Station, Tates Creek, Madison Central, Dunbar, Montgomery, Scott Co Region 8 Small School- Wayne, McCreary, Sheldon Clark,Prestonburg,Lawrence, Harlan, Belfery Big School - Johnson Central, Letcher Co Central, Perry Co Central, Ashland Paul Blazer, Whitley County @ = assigned a region but no team competing in this years state duals the following teams would not have made it St X Simon Kenton Franklin County Fort Campbell Eastern Big School Tournament would have Ohio / Christian Anderson Southern Trinity Oldham Woodford Campbell Johnson Central Small School tournament Union Larue Desales Central-only small school in the 4th region No 5th region school Walton Verona Bourbon Co Wayne Co No insult to the teams that would be in , but this isnt a fair representation of the quality of wrestling that is in the state of KY. To my count there are 86 active wrestling schools in the state of KY of which 22 fall in the catagory of small school 26% now if we add more schools and the percentage of schools get to 35% or greater then maybe we should split. 90% of the new programs that have been added in the last 3 years have been big school and its not because there isnt a class championship. To grow programs its going to take emphasis on youth programs and money resources to help get these small schools off the ground I hope some more people can give insight on this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
halfhalfhalf 121 Report post Posted January 30, 2012 Your hearing wrong. I was told top 2 teams in BS/SS qualify. So that helps anyone in region 1 and 2 who face union and larue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jacketcoach 19 Report post Posted January 30, 2012 Coach McCoy and the KYWCA have been working on an alignment plan for over a year. The State will be split into Big School / Small School as voted on by the coaches for a two year trial period. Both Big School and Small School divisions will be split into 6 sectionals based on Geography. I know they are still tying up some loose ends but should have work completed very soon. Two teams will come out of each sectional to create a 12 team tournament at each level. The goal of this is to increase participation in hopes that more schools will add wrestling in the near future. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DamonMBarnes 13 Report post Posted January 30, 2012 Not a fan at all. The small school tournament should just be changed to a dual between Union and LaRue as it would save a lot of time and travel. If there was an option for the small schools to opt-in to the big school tournament then I would probably view it more favorably. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DamonMBarnes 13 Report post Posted January 30, 2012 A change I would like to see happen is to move it from Henry Clay. If you want to increase participation in the state a good option would be to have events in other areas of the state. Now that the individual state championship is in Lexington they have a monopoly on the wrestling state championships. I know last year when there were talks of where to move the state championship I researched the driving distances and Louisville was just as close if not closer on average than Lexington. But more importantly, the Louisville Metro Population dwarfs the Lexington Metro Population. More people = more attendance and more interest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jacketcoach 19 Report post Posted January 30, 2012 l Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thomam 11 Report post Posted January 30, 2012 what is the cut-off for big school/small school? We have 750 kids in our building.... maybe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tim Reynolds 7 Report post Posted January 30, 2012 Louisville needs to host more wrestling events. It's central geographically and it's where the population clusters are. Most of the teams are from N Ky or the Louisville area, yet they all have to drive to Lexington. Eastern Ky sure must have a lobby! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigedcoach 27 Report post Posted January 30, 2012 So there is going to be a Coaches association alignment and a KHSAA alignment? I seperated big school / small school by football class subdivisions 1A-3A small school and 4A - 6A in big I agree Louisville should host more events the problem is for the state tournament there are no hotels since state tournament falls on the weekend that the farm machinery show falls on and the venues are more expensive to rent in Louisville. State duals could be held at Valley HS new gym when its opened, it was built to host major tournaments in Jefferson Co. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigedcoach 27 Report post Posted January 30, 2012 Maybe if the Coaches association could do this, Have a small school or "All A classic" and invite all 22 teams to the tournament. do this on a seperate weekend than state duals Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DamonMBarnes 13 Report post Posted January 30, 2012 Maybe if the Coaches association could do this, Have a small school or "All A classic" and invite all 22 teams to the tournament. do this on a seperate weekend than state duals This is a pretty good compromise and an event that might actually promote some growth as it will be something else to give wrestling exposure. Is anyone familiar with how basketball decides which teams are invited to the "All A Classic"? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigedcoach 27 Report post Posted January 30, 2012 they have actual district and regional tournaments, for schools that would fall under class 2A in football 1 little piece of trivia in wrestling, unless Im wrong there is only 1 wrestling school in the state that doesnt have a football program, UVA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ukpridewrestler11 276 Report post Posted January 30, 2012 Do u mean UHA? University heights academy. School of about 100 students in hoptown. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldwrestler81 6 Report post Posted January 30, 2012 Are we creeping towards splitting the regualar state tounament into two or more divisions again? I sure hope not! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jacketcoach 19 Report post Posted January 30, 2012 The split was right around 1030 or so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
halfhalfhalf 121 Report post Posted January 30, 2012 I can promise you if you split schools into large and small for individual it will be horrible quality. I could see more of a public private split if you split individual Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigedcoach 27 Report post Posted January 30, 2012 i meant UHA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bulldog-leader 56 Report post Posted January 30, 2012 jacketcoach; I think you are correct. While coaching at Holmes old Coach Webb told me that we (Holmes) were the largest school in the small school division and Dixie heights was the smallest school in the big school division. That was 10 years ago, I'm not sure if they changed the division since then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrestlingMan 0 Report post Posted January 31, 2012 horriable idea! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mat-king 4 Report post Posted January 31, 2012 Not enough schools to do this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brave Soul 0 Report post Posted January 31, 2012 This is retarded! The old format worked for years and there's no need to change it now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grappleking 3 Report post Posted January 31, 2012 Matney has always tried to get the small/large schools seperated. He thinks it will help the growth of the sport. I think if its going to be done a complete re-alignment needs to be done. Not just for the state duals. I think its a horrible idea as described now. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigedcoach 27 Report post Posted January 31, 2012 Matney has always tried to get the small/large schools seperated. He thinks it will help the growth of the sport. I think if its going to be done a complete re-alignment needs to be done. Not just for the state duals. I think its a horrible idea as described now. I remember one state coaches meeting, Jim Matney wanted to fight because of the big/small school split. The whole concept is thatif you split you would promote. Which hasnt done, 90% of the schools added have been 5 and 6 A schools, even setting the split line at 1030 is raising the bar too high too classify what a small school is when 1030 is all most a 5 A school,(1050 is the enrollment for 5 A) They dont even use the words state championship in the All "A" classic Have a tournament , invite the 22 schools that are 3A and lower and have either an individual or duals tournament and lets keep promoting youth wrestling and trying to get a program started in the Bowling Green Area and other areas that dont have wrestling Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jacketcoach 19 Report post Posted January 31, 2012 The difference is football goes by boy population. Each "A" counts for like 100 boys. This is what makes Central a 3 A football team. We have a smidge over 300 boys/ 700 girls! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Charger Coach 14 Report post Posted January 31, 2012 Individual state should never think about going to a class system until the sport grows further. We simply don't have enough teams in the state to support such a measure. I would rather see it go back to the district, regional, state format before that happens. However, the split to a big school / small school dual championship will have both its negatives and positives and is feasible. I personally think there are more negatives especially in the small school division. I guess we'll never really know for sure until after the 2 year trial period. If it's growth and participation we're after, then I think as a state, we're on the right track. Simply look at the high school and youth programs that have been added in the last five years or so. I know we've lost some programs, but the gains have fair outweighed that. I know of at least a few schools that are wanting or willing to start a wrestling program, but they simply don't have anybody to run them. We always seem to want to emphasize participation at the wrestler level, but what about the coaching level? I think that is just as important if not more important in many aspects. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites