VisionQuest 64 Report post Posted February 1, 2016 When can we expect to see the seeds and brackets? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rjs4470 103 Report post Posted February 1, 2016 Looks like they are up now on track Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tja 150 Report post Posted February 1, 2016 49 minutes ago, rjs4470 said: Looks like they are up now on track Can you post the link ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Votto 4 Report post Posted February 1, 2016 Would like to wish all wrestlers a safe and successful tournament!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VisionQuest 64 Report post Posted February 1, 2016 Thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
twenhofelcoach 61 Report post Posted February 1, 2016 No it does not, seeding criteria for the one seeds was head to head this year, then returning state placer, then common opponents, then records Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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twenhofelcoach 61 Report post Posted February 1, 2016 Unfortunately Carr didn't have a coach sitting in on the seed meeting conference call last night, so they had no representation. As far as bias goes I didn't see any unbiased things. Coaches must be present at seed meeting to fight for their kids seeds. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nolans Dad 36 Report post Posted February 1, 2016 Is there a link? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coachteater 70 Report post Posted February 1, 2016 27 minutes ago, twenhofelcoach said: Unfortunately Carr didn't have a coach sitting in on the seed meeting conference call last night, so they had no representation. As far as bias goes I didn't see any unbiased things. Coaches must be present at seed meeting to fight for their kids seeds. Carr most likely didnt because of the time they finished last night. I left our region at 7 and wrestling was still going on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rjs4470 103 Report post Posted February 1, 2016 27 minutes ago, twenhofelcoach said: 35 minutes ago, JC1 said: Zac Cowan beat Conner Lee but yet Lee got the 2 and Cowan drew the 4. Really??? When they wrestled, the score was close (6-2) but at no point did you ever think Lee was going to come back and win. Cowan controlled the entire match. Perception could lead one to believe there is a NKY bias...... Unfortunately Carr didn't have a coach sitting in on the seed meeting conference call last night, so they had no representation. As far as bias goes I didn't see any unbiased things. Coaches must be present at seed meeting to fight for their kids seeds. No bias at all. The 4 coaches of the regional winners have to agree on the seeding. As was mentioned, Cowan had no representation on the call which is likely why he ended up as the #4. If the bracket goes chalk, Cowan and Lee will meet in the semi's, so he'll get a chance to show if he did deserve the 1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
plantmanky1 58 Report post Posted February 1, 2016 4 minutes ago, coachteater said: Carr most likely didnt because of the time they finished last night. I left our region at 7 and wrestling was still going on. May be the case but other coaches from that youth region were on the call. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VisionQuest 64 Report post Posted February 1, 2016 On 2/1/2016 at 1:09 PM, rjs4470 said: No bias at all. The 4 coaches of the regional winners have to agree on the seeding. As was mentioned, Cowan had no representation on the call which is likely why he ended up as the #4. If the bracket goes chalk, Cowan and Lee will meet in the semi's, so he'll get a chance to show if he did deserve the 1. Actually won't meet until finals if they both win semi's. Cowan, being a 4 seed would meet the 1 seed in semi's while Lee being a 2 seed would meet the 3 seed if seeding holds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rjs4470 103 Report post Posted February 1, 2016 1 minute ago, VisionQuest said: Actually won't meet until finals if they both win semi's. Cowan, being a 4 seed would meet the 1 seed in semi's while Lee being a 2 seed would meet the 3 seed if seeding holds. That's correct....was thinking Lee got the 1 overall. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coachteater 70 Report post Posted February 1, 2016 40 minutes ago, plantmanky1 said: Search kswa on track and youll find it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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ukpridewrestler11 276 Report post Posted February 1, 2016 #1, #2, and #4 on the same side of the bracket at 80/82. Terrible seeding. Was told a coach voiced their opinion about this during the seeding meeting but "no one gave a s***" about his opinion. Even with representation and trying to fight for seeds, this bracket turned out like high school state tournament with random draw. Very disappointing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
twenhofelcoach 61 Report post Posted February 2, 2016 Once again fellas, it's plain and simple.... Rangers rankings are just that rankings on what information he has seen. If 3 of the top four kids from Rangers rankings are in the same region then they can't all get one seeds. Each Regional winner is who gets seeded 1-4. The rest are drawn in the one and 4 regional placers from the same region travel with each other in a sixteen man bracket. The 2 and 3 regional placers are put in the opposite side of the bracket. We as coaches can't keep track of every one of our wrestlers matches and most of the time we don't even get to see or wrestle half the teams in the state. And no one mentioned Zac's win against Lee. Anyone from Carr wrestling's program could have been in the conference call. And yes no representation will usually mean the 4 seed. It's like going to court without a lawyer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RamMan 5 Report post Posted February 2, 2016 It could be a lot worse fellas lol 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gentleben1590 8 Report post Posted February 2, 2016 Who cares about seeding? If you're going to win state, you might as well leave no doubt and take on anyone at any time. I had the pleasure of coaching Blaine Frazier last year and that's precisely what he did. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
REscalera 189 Report post Posted February 2, 2016 8 hours ago, twenhofelcoach said: No it does not, seeding criteria for the one seeds was head to head this year, then returning state placer, then common opponents, then records 8 hours ago, twenhofelcoach said: Unfortunately Carr didn't have a coach sitting in on the seed meeting conference call last night, so they had no representation. As far as bias goes I didn't see any unbiased things. Coaches must be present at seed meeting to fight for their kids seeds. Which one is it? Head to head or coach on the call fighting for their kid. If there is a criteria then it should be followed whether the Coach is on the call or not. Otherwise it does end up looking like a bias of some sort. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chris Duke 284 Report post Posted February 2, 2016 3 minutes ago, REscalera said: Which one is it? Head to head or coach on the call fighting for their kid. If there is a criteria then it should be followed whether the Coach is on the call or not. Otherwise it does end up looking like a bias of some sort. Very few tournaments report results. When you ask for results it's like pulling teeth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
REscalera 189 Report post Posted February 2, 2016 19 minutes ago, Chris Duke said: Very few tournaments report results. When you ask for results it's like pulling teeth. I agree with you on that point. We can certainly improve in that area. However, if head to head is the first criteria and only one of the coaches was not on the call, that means the other was. So if the question is asked it should be quite simple. The head to head doesn't go out the window because one of the coaches isn't on the call. The kid earned it and the way it ended up can certainly leave others thinking bias. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
plantmanky1 58 Report post Posted February 2, 2016 2 minutes ago, REscalera said: I agree with you on that point. We can certainly improve in that area. However, if head to head is the first criteria and only one of the coaches was not on the call, that means the other was. So if the question is asked it should be quite simple. The head to head doesn't go out the window because one of the coaches isn't on the call. The kid earned it and the way it ended up can certainly leave others thinking bias. It didnt, but head to head only works when your seeding two wrestlers (or trying to decipher between two wrestlers for a seed). Different animal when you are seeding 4. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
plantmanky1 58 Report post Posted February 2, 2016 3 hours ago, JC1 said: Not there to fight for their wrestler? So that's an automatic four-seed? That's not an efficient or fair way to seed. The governing body needs to create black-and-white seeding criteria. Then coaches need to support the process and fact-finding with integrity. So when times like this present itself, when coaches are unavailable. A neutral system is process can override opinion, bias, or whatever. But rationale of fighting for your wrestler is .....well fill in the blank No not an automatic 4 seed, but it does make it difficult when the coach is not on the call to supply needed information. It did surprise me that 6 teams were not represented on the call. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites