colonelcoach2007 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2007 so how do we get all of these refs to undergo offseason training to remain certified. I think Julian should address this. We should bring it to his attention at a meeting or during the offseason. Probably would have to be addressed in the offseason to flow into the wrestling season right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ARealWrestlingFanatic 1 Report post Posted December 21, 2007 Tough question, colonelcoach, because I think this is an issue of supply and demand. Unless you are aware of a large number of wanna be referees, we have a limited bench. Therefore, it is difficult to enforce additional requirements or conditions to officiate. Somewhere along the line, individuals are making the decision not to officiate wrestling. This does not seem to be an issue in other sports but you also don't have "all day" commitments in football, basketball, soccer or other sports. I don't know about the pay element but it may not be worth their time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PATRIOT165 0 Report post Posted December 23, 2007 I think the referees in ky Do the best they can with what they know, BUt I agree we need to find a way to send ky refs to better events or clinics to learn from the best out there, Also they will let ANYONE ref in ky on acount of the One test and rules clinic and shortage of good certified referees, THere should be a longer process to determan if a referee is ready for a varsity event! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
I-pinned-em-all 0 Report post Posted December 23, 2007 My biggest complaints with the refs; they ref one way all year, then down state totally change their habits thereby grossly confusing the wrestlers and coaches. I am absolutely convinced the refs aggressively/foolishly call stalling down state in an attempt to showboat to their ref colleagues that they are tough on stalling.Todd Cole is consistent ALL YEAR; free style quick pins, slow near-fall counts, quick to call stalling, picky on lining up properly. Like him or not, he only has one mode, but you know exactly what you are getting. The others down state, who knows how they are going to call a match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ranger123 43 Report post Posted December 23, 2007 My biggest complaints with the refs; they ref one way all year, then down state totally change their habits thereby grossly confusing the wrestlers and coaches. I am absolutely convinced the refs aggressively/foolishly call stalling down state in an attempt to showboat to their ref colleagues that they are tough on stalling.Todd Cole is consistent ALL YEAR; free style quick pins, slow near-fall counts, quick to call stalling, picky on lining up properly. Like him or not, he only has one mode, but you know exactly what you are getting. The others down state, who knows how they are going to call a match. Very true. Cole may not be everyone's favorite, but most every coach and wrestler around the state knows exactly what to expect when they step on the mat with Cole officiating. They may not always like it, but they aren't surprised. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grappler-of-old 44 Report post Posted December 23, 2007 I would have to agree, Cole is consistant all year. The one other aspect I like about Cole is that he allows the wrestlers to wrestle. When Cole and Cataan ref you know it will be a rough match. Both of these refs allow for a rough match. They allow the kids to bang and hit the mat hard. This is what I like to see. We talk about other event outside of KY, this is what I see outside of KY. Things that Ky officials call slams are routine in Ohio and are not given a second look. (Where I have seen the majority of my out of state matches, only a few in Indiana and Illinois). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Allamerican125 0 Report post Posted December 24, 2007 Patrick Mcnutt and Cole are the best refs, imo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ARealWrestlingFanatic 1 Report post Posted January 7, 2008 So far in this wrestling season, I am unimpressed with the officiating. Much of the same showoff antics by one particular official who insists on the match being about him, not the wrestlers. I don't understand why he gets away with it year after year. I personally am sick of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flyboy 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2008 Most of the Region 2 ref's are very good this year no complaint from any of them. The one guy from Larue Co. is making my stat girl crazy. lol. but other than that they are ok this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old School 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2008 Most of the Region 2 ref's are very good this year no complaint from any of them. The one guy from Larue Co. is making my stat girl crazy. lol. but other than that they are ok this year. :-o :-o :? :roll: :roll: :-oNot sure which ones you have seen. :wink: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
southern135 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2008 they are on top of stalling this year i have seen it more the 1st half of the season than all of last year Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flyboy 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2008 :-o :-o :? :roll: :roll: :-oNot sure which ones you have seen. :wink:No disrespect to any ref's I can't remember his name but he is the short one with the big beard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grappler-of-old 44 Report post Posted January 7, 2008 So far in this wrestling season, I am unimpressed with the officiating. Much of the same showoff antics by one particular official who insists on the match being about him, not the wrestlers. I don't understand why he gets away with it year after year. I personally am sick of it.Sounds like Shaw to me. :-o :evil: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CCFullerHWT 1 Report post Posted January 7, 2008 No disrespect to any ref's I can't remember his name but he is the short one with the big beard.Tom Hardy? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meadecowrestler 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2008 man idk this guys name but he was an amazing ref...he was older had coached for like 27 years....he would call you for anything in a heart beat...he kept the moonlite duels fun...he called me for stallin when i locked up for like 5 sec. i can really respect a guy like that....he has hair thinning on the top of hes hair really old ....but man he rocked!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Bear 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2008 man idk this guys name but he was an amazing ref...he was older had coached for like 27 years....he would call you for anything in a heart beat...he kept the moonlite duels fun...he called me for stalling when i locked up for like 5 sec. i can really respect a guy like that....he has hair thinning on the top of hes hair really old ....but man he rocked!!!!Proably Mickey Walls Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IgiveStitches 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2008 I love it when Cole is on my mat, I see people all around saying how they hate the way that he calls things, but like many of you have said, he is very consistent, and very good at getting the kids to actually wrestle. He hates boring matches just like the rest of us so he calls the kids for stalling very early to get them going, he also talks to you during the match, which is nice, Cole is my favorite ref, hands down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meadecowrestler 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2008 idk but he called stalling like every 3 sec. ...and he didnt hesitate to eject anyone from the match...it was really good.but he made the championship match fun at apollo.... :-P Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wrestler92 Report post Posted January 7, 2008 I think consistency is the key for any of them. I probably saw the worst weekend of refereeing this weekend at the JCTC. With two elder referees there and one relatively new one and then one that has been for about 6 years. The new one was bad but he is always bad so that was to be expected. This weekend was up and down, you never knew if stalling was going to be called in 5 seconds or if never, and it wasn't even just from one ref to another, but from one match to another by the same ref. Really dissapointing considering three of these four will be at the state tournament I am sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meadecowrestler 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2008 yea i heard about that...thats horrible for a tourny that big :| Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
myGSP 4 Report post Posted January 7, 2008 I think that Jeremy Callen is one of the better Refs. He is very consistent in all the matches that I have seen him in over the past 3 years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestling4life 0 Report post Posted January 10, 2008 So what officials do you think should work the state this year? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Olympic_wish 0 Report post Posted January 10, 2008 How about Cole, Cole, Cole, Cole, Cole and Cole work state. Can we clone him like 6 times? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eaglewrestler12 2 Report post Posted January 10, 2008 I've heard Cattan will not be asked to work at state this season Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Olympic_wish 0 Report post Posted January 10, 2008 I've heard Cattan will not be asked to work at state this seasonBy who? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites