KY vs The world

[Mpire 76]

I thought I gave him much respect , I said I thought he could hang and do well with a few good weeks training with good partners because he has the tools . Can't show much more than that . I have never seen him wrestle a top top caliber kid and he didn't exactly slaughter the field at state as some kids did , or was 170 that deep in KY ,he impressed me physically and had a hard nosed attitude but I have seen better wrestlers , not opening up another debate I like him of course I would he's a tank .

[crazyotto 381]

Bluesdad, I will type this slowly for you. The foremost authorities on ranking Ohio wrestling are Brakeman and Bucksman. Brakeman does a fantastically thorough annual report and Bucksman gives updates throughout the year as well as an in depth state preview. Furthermore, Bucksman (Josh Lowe) is one of the most well respected wrestling analysts on the high school AND collegiate level NATIONWIDE. This OWR you speak of is not nearly as highly regarded AND in its state preview issue it shows Taylor at #5, that is a backwards 2. In addition, the rank is for DII. NOT all divisions. Take a look at DI and you will find a myriad of studs that would thump Taylor something awful. So, Jude layed the wood to OWR #5 Brakeman #6 Bucksman #7 (in DII mind you) Taylor. As an aside, Brakeman mentioned that DII 170 was on the weak side this year. Do yourself a favor and look these up (no sarcasm intended), they are very well written and it is clear these guys have their fingers on the pulse of wrestling. Perhaps Ohio's seeding of the state tournament by district finish has you confused. Sure enough, Taylor came out of Goshen as a top placer. The (1) indicates his finish at district NOT HIS RANK. Taylor has never ever entered state champ consideration.This idea of seeding the state tournament is quite a novel idea. I hope that KY finds it useful to do this in the future. As for my comment that Taylor would fall somewhere in the 13 to 15 range statewide........that may have been generous. I see at least seven DI guys and two DIII guys ahead of him. Add in the four DII guys and that puts Taylor at 14. Concerning Taylor's 3rd place finish. He has the bracket gods to thank for that. He beat #16 and #8 before losing to #1. Then he beat a non ranked kid and the #10 kid to take 3rd. Not an eye opening performance by any stretch. I hope this helps.

[Mpire 76]

Actually I like Jude a lot he's a freak and my sons said he was a bad a football player so he must be impressive . I'm sure if he dedicated himself to only wrestling as the top kids in OH do Otto he would probably win in OH without ?

After thinking about what if Jude we're my son how would I reply that's what I would say . The kid is awesome give him his props .

He still can't work Austin like some people said but he is a great athlete lol.

[Mpire 76]

Ok Otto I like you you do know a lot but I know both people Bucksman "Lowe " is a consummate OH particularly Northern OH homer I have seen him and others rank SW kids lower than they should many times an sometime give them their due but always he has been a OH homer compare his rankings to USA rankings I like all the rankings it's fun but seriously you drop a kid voted # 1 125 in Oh last year off your rankings for crossing the river an automatically place a few who were under him way ahead .

Hes a homer and has an agenda ,

As for Breakman great guy he lives and breaths st Eds I think that about covers it .

I may be an outcast hated egomaniacal braggart of a dad who lives through his kids , but I'm totally right on this one .

And Otto I'm going to tell you now Austin is going to eat up Oh before hea done his training partner and good friend just won OAC jr high state tonight hvy Awesome job Joe Hensley Glad you are a part of my MPIRE and one of our closest friends looking forward to another year of training , I love it when my clients win , that was some promo

[stalling 7]

Thankyou, Mpire. It was good having Austin with us this weekend. I've said this before, but he is an awesome young man. He and Joe clowned all weekend, ate good and basically giggled all weekend. Your strength drills Joe did with you all summer absolutely helped him get where he is. As any Dad knows... our kids don't always want to listen to us. But, put them at a first rate fighting/lifting gym with a bunch of other studs and you training them and you will see results! Thanks again for letting Austin join us this weekend, it was a pleasure having him.

[crazyotto 381]

Ok Otto I like you you do know a lot but I know both people Bucksman "Lowe " is a consummate OH particularly Northern OH homer I have seen him and others rank SW kids lower than they should many times an sometime give them their due but always he has been a OH homer compare his rankings to USA rankings I like all the rankings it's fun but seriously you drop a kid voted # 1 125 in Oh last year off your rankings for crossing the river an automatically place a few who were under him way ahead .

Hes a homer and has an agenda ,

As for Breakman great guy he lives and breaths st Eds I think that about covers it .

I may be an outcast hated egomaniacal braggart of a dad who lives through his kids , but I'm totally right on this one .

And Otto I'm going to tell you now Austin is going to eat up Oh before hea done his training partner and good friend just won OAC jr high state tonight hvy Awesome job Joe Hensley Glad you are a part of my MPIRE and one of our closest friends looking forward to another year of training , I love it when my clients win , that was some promo

Mpire, I will agree w/ you that both Bucksman and Brakeman have and show their northern bias. However, look at their accuracy and you will see that they are right far more than they are wrong. As for Bucksman having some sort of agenda against your son. I agree to some point. I will also say that Bucksman had nothing to go on. There were no offseason results, unless I am mistaken. The in season results were against what most would consider lesser opponents. So this makes ranking difficult. The wrestling world knows that your sons are talented. It needs to be shown though. You know as well as anybody that you cannot rest on your laurels.

[oldwrestler81 6]

^{So I think we can all agree that our top 10 or 15 wrestlers can compete (or at lest keep it close) wtih most of the Ohio kids (as lon as they are not named Jordan on Schlater). Where we are lacking is once we get past this handful of very good kids the talend pool drops off quickly. For example in the state finals most of us knew who the champion would be going in and how many weight classes did we have where we thought 3 or 4 kids had a realistic shot?}

[oldwrestler81 6]

I forgot to mention that Campbell Co will probably not be in the SWOWCA tournament next year. They have capped it at 40 teams and I'm told Campbell Co is 7th on the waiting list.

[Mpire 76]

That stinks About SWOWCA ,

Otto he was dropped below kids who also did not do summer tournys that he was higher than at the end of the year .I understand rankings but I also know when it's obvious people have agendas you go by past present achievement and looking at overall body of work and that past achievement as well as the movement of upper level kids out o his class I doubt any non bias person would drop him , In other word kids ran their a$& off including one he was ranked ahead of last year who Bucksman moved ahead of him as soon as he moved to ky . Obvious OH homer ,as I said wrestling USA rankings are more reliable , and I think an OH guy does them as well but they seem to cover a wider range of kids across the country and look deeper .

[crazyotto 381]

That stinks About SWOWCA ,

Otto he was dropped below kids who also did not do summer tournys that he was higher than at the end of the year .I understand rankings but I also know when it's obvious people have agendas you go by past present achievement and looking at overall body of work and that past achievement as well as the movement of upper level kids out o his class I doubt any non bias person would drop him , In other word kids ran their a$& off including one he was ranked ahead of last year who Bucksman moved ahead of him as soon as he moved to ky . Obvious OH homer ,as I said wrestling USA rankings are more reliable , and I think an OH guy does them as well but they seem to cover a wider range of kids across the country and look deeper .

Well then that really stinks. There is no reason to bring personal agendas into the rankings as it is nor a personality contest. As for no SWOWCA, I am holding out hope that CC goes. The defending team champs ought to get some kind of preferential treatment.

[Mpire 76]

He// yeah Swowca is awesome its great when you know people are so jealous of you they kick you out for getting your 2 yr old a doughnut from the coaches room when you have a band . Didn't matter I could be on the moon and I'm still on the Matt with my boys in spirit . They know at now what happens when you disrespect anyone in the Mpire you will pay I'm sure moe can get cc in and I know it's moe staff who are in charge of Swowca they are probably scared though their greatest underclass men of all time and the two best jr high wrestlers in the history of Cincy wrestling coming on a different team ,

Won't matter we will see them sooner or later .

Iron Man ladies and gentleman , Austin will beg his coaches for A shot or two at it an if CC has any nads at all they will get In it is the ultimate tournament I know you agree Otto ,

[rideemout 16]

Pretty sure no ky TEAM is allowed to go, now individuals are allowed to go but not as a team

[crazyotto 381]

He// yeah Swowca is awesome its great when you know people are so jealous of you they kick you out for getting your 2 yr old a doughnut from the coaches room when you have a band . Didn't matter I could be on the moon and I'm still on the Matt with my boys in spirit . They know at now what happens when you disrespect anyone in the Mpire you will pay I'm sure moe can get cc in and I know it's moe staff who are in charge of Swowca they are probably scared though their greatest underclass men of all time and the two best jr high wrestlers in the history of Cincy wrestling coming on a different team ,

Won't matter we will see them sooner or later .

Iron Man ladies and gentleman , Austin will beg his coaches for A shot or two at it an if CC has any nads at all they will get In it is the ultimate tournament I know you agree Otto ,

I agree wholeheartedly that it would be great to see your boys here at Ironman. Give Mr Pruesse a call. He will let you in! You have to initiate contact though. As for the entire CC team? Well..........not so fast. You know as well as I do that CC would have 12 kids go 0 and 2, maybe a few would go 1 and 2. Your boys would/should place. You know the drill. Packed house. Must buy all session pass to get a finals ticket. Most weights are a handful deep in national talent. I don't know that it would benefit the entire team though. Not sure that Moeller is in charge of SWOWCA, that is quite an "accusation". I am certain that the other programs in the area (Elder, Mason, Lakota West, and others) would not stand for that. I believe there is a board that governs the event. SWOWCA is a good tournament. Probably the best one in southwest OH. It is comprised primarily of teams from that region though, and many placers don't sniff the podium at state. It makes sense for CC, Simon Kenton, Ryle to attend. Mater Dei used to come. They always brought a bunch of gamers. I used to go to SWOWCA, as I have family in the area. Haven't been in a few years, and I did hear you got a special escort out of the place . You need to look into Medina and Brecksville as well. The other events I see KY teams at are crappy. Sorry but it is true. Fairfield, Reading, Sycamore invites. Really? Come on, jump in the fire. Chase down Soddy Daisy or Fr Ryan in TN. Grab ahold of Mater Dei in IN. Make a home-and-home tri meet out of it. CC, Fr Ryan, Larue, and Ryle. Great event, no? Duals type events are what generate interest both with fans and participation. It brings people out to watch and builds team chemistry. The less talented wrestlers are guaranteed matches, though sometimes the better wrestlers find guys ducking them. You know, like Fahy not showing up. Sorry, couldn't resist. He did grab 4th at Beast this year. Granted it is nowhere near Ironman, but still a great event and he gets props not only for going but also for placing! Enough talk. Get them up here, no excuses. Many kids come to Ironman w/out their team from as far away as California. Hey, place here and Bucksman has to acknowledge it!

[Mpire 76]

I have seen teams from Cali come to iron man with a couple studs and the rest avg there are others Faust is a soph Hamilton will be a sr and has big tourny exp that's at least 4 ,my eacort came at the request of a moe coaches wife who run Swowca haha a total setup th whole city knows the truth ask nick spatola he knows what went on it was a joke ,

I guess If they can't beat my kids they have to ruin it somehow for me but I get the last laugh , they will never win a state team title and my boys have rings on the way lol , seems the " board " at Swowca might let the KY state champs in , I know and you know just as well everyone would want to see it ,but hey keep CC out let it be boooooring and protect the status quo and the prima Donnas .

The rumble will be good as well, I like Powerade as well not sure the boys could go to Iron Man alone but I know Austin would go alone .

[Tim Reynolds 7]

Thankyou, Mpire. It was good having Austin with us this weekend. I've said this before, but he is an awesome young man. He and Joe clowned all weekend, ate good and basically giggled all weekend. Your strength drills Joe did with you all summer absolutely helped him get where he is. As any Dad knows... our kids don't always want to listen to us. But, put them at a first rate fighting/lifting gym with a bunch of other studs and you training them and you will see results! Thanks again for letting Austin join us this weekend, it was a pleasure having him.

249lb finalist? That kid he beat was a giant. Awesome match.

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[Mpire 76]

Hahahahahahahha thats awesome stuff that kid was huge way to work joe nice movement and smart wrestling guillotine was nice good shots and nice lift in the third , scary Rollin around with someone that big but keeping calm looked like the key good strength off the bottom a big kid having to kick you out every time says a lot ,awesome job , now get ready for High School and be sure to let us know if you need any help moving next week you will look awesome in purple and gold !!

[ccwrestler^oldschool 10]

Iron Man ladies and gentleman , Austin will beg his coaches for A shot or two at it an if CC has any nads at all they will get In it is the ultimate tournament

Are you serious? Did you just call out your new team coaches? After they just took in your kids so that they could wrestle this past season?

Why in the world would CC send their entire team all the way to the Iron Man tourney? Thats a four hour trip or more on a bus, and an overnight stay. Would be a great waste of school money just so maybe 2 kids get some competition.

As otto said most would go 0-2 and a couple maybe 1-2.

The problem with wrestling programs in Ky is $$$. Public school have to spend their money wisely and get the greatest good for the greatest number of kids. CC doesn't even send their entire team to the GMV or the Fairfield tourney most years.

Your best bet would be to raise the money for your kids to go and take them yourself. Most of the other Ky kids that attended this tourney did this. If I'm not mistakin Korey Shotwell did this a couple of years ago for CC.

[Mpire 76]

Are you serious , trying to act like I called out my kids coaches after "they took them in "Wt@is your deal pal no one took my kids in they are wrestlers and came to CC so they wrestle simple as that no need for the melodrama its a symbiotic relationship that obviously worked out for everyone because some people stayed cool and finally some made the right choices and I didn't call anyone out just a friendly challenge because I think there are more than two kids who can win some matches at Iron Man on the team and so do the coaches at CC .

And by the way pot stirer the coaches at CC were the ones who brought up going to some big tournys next yr and if I'm not mistaken IRON MAN was mentioned by some coaches way before my boys even stepped on any Matt in a CC singlet .

And it would be my opinion that even if only 1 kid on the team won 1 match Iron Man would be worth it kids and coaches alike may never see that kind of talent in one room EVER I have been there and It is actually more impressive than advertised which is rare ,

Campbell County are Kentucky State Champions they will have kids "plural " that can place at Iron Man over the next few years they have one that has and 3 more at least with the capability too next yr and beyond , if kids are allowed to go on their own then that would create an incredible scenario where I would get together with some dads and coaches formation the state to have some real fun .

Imagine Brock , Jayce , Lampe , some of the other lighter weights who's names I cannot think of Faust , Hamilton , Stephen ,Cooper , Chamberle ,Austin , the 195 kid Bryant I think and if I were Ryle I would send their freshman Meiman and Belk for the experience ,

It would be a team ky thing but I doubt Preuse would let anyone other than State champ level kids inn and maybe only then with some serious credentials so I see a couple Union kids a couple CC kids 1 SK kid maybe only 5 Brock Jayce Stephen Austin and Cooper , all multiple x state champs except Austin who Preuse would probably let in before everyone else because of his sise and having the best credentials of everyone despite possibly getting severely beaten .

I actually wonder where they will rank Austin he wrestled up won state and was the nations # 1 ranked freshman at 195 this yr .

Talk all the it's KY you want he should be # 1 fresh soph next yr maybe top 3 I know he was ranked to low this yr on the fresh soph rankings I know there were kids in the top 5 he could beat .

That's right CC Wrestler old school Norse Gods should get preference In rankings because I'm an arrogant dad living vicariously through his kids lol , Austin is going to WIN IRON MAN before he is done remember I told your troublemaking butt and when he does he ends up ranked # 1 overall in class in the nation ,

Now I have bragged and vented good night all .

[Tim Reynolds 7]

Not so fast, Mpire. Let's back up.

Are you saying the young man who just won the Ohio (OAC) Hwt class will be a frosh at Campbell County this fall? That's a heckuva pickup to say the least.

[Mpire 76]

Lol

[Mpire 76]

Could you imagine CC would dominate the upper weights for a few and two kids who have been partners for the last few yrs and are now both jr high OAC state champs working together through HS one could only dream , No big Joe is goin Moe good luck to him they are getting a good one but anything is possible 8 state titles for two big boys would be insane and no matter if it would be KY or not it would draw the eyes of every recruiter in the country ,

[stalling 7]

Anybody have any moving boxes? Lol seriously, Mpire is right about Ironman. No reason why CC and a few others shouldn't send some guys there. You have to put it in perspective. Win or lose, if they can get in, DO IT! If you wanna be the best, you have to beat the best. And how do you expect a wrestler to know what that level of competitor FEELS like to wrestle, if they've never tangled with one? That's the key. IRON SHARPENS IRON. So what if its four hrs away? Id walk a mile for a Camel (old cigarette ad reference there), and I would and do drive four and sometimes 10 and 12 hrs away for competition. Keep rockin Cambell County! You've got the momentum, jump to the next level!

[grappler-of-old 44]

Just my 2 cents. And thats about all its worh.

According to some of you out there CC is on the verge of being something else.

I guess this is the point where the team has to decide if it becomes bigger than the school or still part of the school.

If it becomes bigger than the school then it no longer will be for everyone. What do I mean by that? I mean the wrestling team and the wrestlers will be above the rest. Not everyone will come out for the team. Maybe only the best athletes. If this is what they want that is their decision.

If they don't make that leap and catter to everyone, not just the best, then they can still get those kids that may only win 20 matches their senior year. I personally thought this is what made CC unique. Coach B had always been able to coach that kid to be the best he can be, even if it ment winning 4 matches in that year. And that kid was proud of it.

If CC starts going to more and more tourneys like Iron Man, they lose those kids and only catter to the few who are capable. The question is do they want to be nationally known or just win KY state and be state known.

[handcontrol 18]

Just my 2 cents. And thats about all its worh.

According to some of you out there CC is on the verge of being something else.

I guess this is the point where the team has to decide if it becomes bigger than the school or still part of the school.

If it becomes bigger than the school then it no longer will be for everyone. What do I mean by that? I mean the wrestling team and the wrestlers will be above the rest. Not everyone will come out for the team. Maybe only the best athletes. If this is what they want that is their decision.

If they don't make that leap and catter to everyone, not just the best, then they can still get those kids that may only win 20 matches their senior year. I personally thought this is what made CC unique. Coach B had always been able to coach that kid to be the best he can be, even if it ment winning 4 matches in that year. And that kid was proud of it.

If CC starts going to more and more tourneys like Iron Man, they lose those kids and only catter to the few who are capable. The question is do they want to be nationally known or just win KY state and be state known.

Why can't you do both? I feel that successful teams pull more kids (of all abilities). I know that CC has and will continue to have a very legitamate JV schedule (majority of which are varsity tournaments). That is why they can bring a guy up from JV and have them do fairly well at the Varsity spot. Why not take the average kid to Ironman, "if it doesn't kill you it will only make you stronger" fits here if you take an average kid and expose them to very tough comp. then when they wrestle at an average comp tourney they could dominate.

[Mpire 76]

I think your wrong , and it's obvious no matter what schedule you are on it will never fit any wrestler perfect a weak schedule will hurt everyone on a team , you get better wrestling good comp period and there are plenty of normal tournaments to do suiting the year that the not so experienced kids can get in good matches and their level of challenge , there are other options multiple schedules A and B teams if it is allowed , being all humble and pretending someone would be letting everyone down wrestling a few big tournys is a joke they would actually letting the average level kids down protecting their records by not exposing them to top tournys , it is what the sport is about if I were a coach I would want all my kids to experience the sport at all levels not just on a small level where everyone could feel like a big fish in a little pond ,

But being the person that I am I can read between the lines and see this may be just another post trying to rally up support against a couple of studs by saying if a coach caters to them he is hurting everyone .

You may have just played your hand , what parent or coach wouldn't want their team or kids to experience te beat the sport can offer and who would post what you did in order to rally support against it ,

Hopefully Coach B caters to everyone and in doing so actually helps everyone even more .

Who knows maybe that kid who may only be a "20 win a year kid Ironic isn't it "since 2 state champs at cc only had 20 , mayb that kids learns a few things or gets the desire from that big tourny exposure to jump to the next level .

As state champs represent as well it's wHat should be done in order to expand the sport in the state .

I'm actually shocked at your post