Who would win? Unions 08 team or Trinity's 09 team???

[chapper88 0]

Who would be the better team?

[The Bear 0]

By far Union.

[The Bear 0]

103 Jarvis Elam 12 5- 0  vs. 103 John Fahy 9 5- 0

112 Isaac Thomas 10 4- 3 vs  112 Myron Bradbury 11 5- 0

119 Aaron Carr 11 5- 2 vs. 119 Brent Hitchings 9 3- 3

125 Jake Wempe 12 6- 2 vs. 125 Sean Gillespie 12 5- 2

130 Caleb Ervin 9 4- 1 vs. 130 Bradon Birk 10 2- 2

135 Luke Ervin 11 4- 2  vs. 135 Matt Matheny 12 1- 2

140 Matt Young 11 2- 2  vs. ????????????????????????

145 Isaac Ervin 11 7- 1  vs. 145 Grant Ohlmann 11 4- 1

152 Joshua Willett 12 0- 2  vs. 152 Erin McCauley 11 3- 2

160 Mitch Ervin 12 5- 0  vs. 160 Cooper Bohn 11 3- 2

171 Jarrod Burke 12 5- 2 vs. 171 Brad Hitchings 11 5- 0

189 Diante Wright 12 4- 2 vs. 189 Josh Lewis 11 6- 1

215 Levi Griggs 11 2- 2  vs. 215 Brock Messina 10 3- 3

?????????????????????? vs. 285 Jordon Whiting 12 5- 1

[FalconWrestling 147]

103 Jarvis Elam 12 5- 0  vs. 103 John Fahy 9 5- 0

112 Isaac Thomas 10 4- 3 vs  112 Myron Bradbury 11 5- 0

119 Aaron Carr 11 5- 2 vs. 119 Brent Hitchings 9 3- 3

125 Jake Wempe 12 6- 2 vs. 125 Sean Gillespie 12 5- 2

130 Caleb Ervin 9 4- 1 vs. 130 Bradon Birk 10 2- 2

135 Luke Ervin 11 4- 2  vs. 135 Matt Matheny 12 1- 2

140 Matt Young 11 2- 2  vs. ????????????????????????

145 Isaac Ervin 11 7- 1  vs. 145 Grant Ohlmann 11 4- 1

152 Joshua Willett 12 0- 2  vs. 152 Erin McCauley 11 3- 2

160 Mitch Ervin 12 5- 0  vs. 160 Cooper Bohn 11 3- 2

171 Jarrod Burke 12 5- 2 vs. 171 Brad Hitchings 11 5- 0

189 Diante Wright 12 4- 2 vs. 189 Josh Lewis 11 6- 1

215 Levi Griggs 11 2- 2  vs. 215 Brock Messina 10 3- 3

?????????????????????? vs. 285 Jordon Whiting 12 5- 1

I did a quick run through in my head and I cam out with a 24-24 tie, but that was giving Union some close matches and Trinity some Pins. It could probably go either way. Pretty much sits on Elam versus Fahy

[ARealWrestlingFanatic 1]

Trinity's 08 team beat Union's 08 team 34-33 for the state duals title.  IMO the 09 Trinity team is better than the 08 Trinity team so I would say Trinity would win.

[chapper88 0]

Yes they did beat them but union didnt have diante wright at 189 and most likely he would have one which would of gave union the win.

[rockfan 1]

Trinity was without Josh lewis who had beaten Diante  several times! Trinity with Josh  union with wright  Trinity wins and possibly could have made a run at state if Lewis hadnt gotten injured???

[Charger Coach 14]

This is a fun topic to debate, but a tough one to compare.  What makes this tough to compare is the fact the teams are only a year apart.  What I mean by that is for example, and I know someone had mentioned Wright vs. Lewis, but you have to keep in mind that we are comparing Josh Lewis from this year vs. Diante Wright from last year.  I think Lewis wins.  Now if we were comparing Lewis from LAST year vs. Wright, the outcome would be much tougher to call.  Obviously some matchups would be easier to call the winners than others.  Union would win @ 119, 130, 135, 140 & 160 & Trinity would win @ 112, 171, 189 & HWT. If I had to compare, the dual would come down to which team would win the 103, 145, 152 & 215 matches.  With that being said, I would give the edge to Union.  Could Elam's strength overcome Fahy's technique?  Would Isaac Ervin from last year beat Grant Ohlmann from this year?  Also, even though Messina has placed the last 2 years at state, I still see the Messina vs. Griggs matchup as a toss-up.  Like I said, this is a tough one to compare. 

[OhWhatASlideBY 0]

103 Jarvis Elam beating John Fahy (score 3-0 union)

112 Myron Bradbury major Isaac Thomas (3-4 trinity)

119 Aaron Carr pin Brent Hitchings (9-4 union)

125 Jake Wempe tech Sean Gillespie (14-4 union)

130 Caleb Ervin pin Bradon Birk (20-4 union)

135 Luke Ervin pin Matt Matheny (26-4 union)

140 ?

145 Isaac Ervin dec Grant Ohlmann (29-4 union)

152 Erin McCauley maj Joshua Willett (29-8 union)

160 Mitch Ervin tech Cooper Bohn (34-8 union)

171 Brad Hitchings idk the union kid but hitchings will win ?????

189 ?

215 ?

285 Jordon Whiting pin union (34-14)

if someone can fill in the ?'s then id say this is pretty much what would happen but it looks like union would dominate

[385 109]

103 Jarvis Elam beating John Fahy (score 3-0 union)

112 Myron Bradbury major Isaac Thomas (3-4 trinity)

119 Aaron Carr pin Brent Hitchings (9-4 union)

125 Jake Wempe tech Sean Gillespie (14-4 union)

130 Caleb Ervin pin Bradon Birk (20-4 union)

135 Luke Ervin pin Matt Matheny (26-4 union)

140 ?

145 Isaac Ervin dec Grant Ohlmann (29-4 union)

152 Erin McCauley maj Joshua Willett (29-8 union)

160 Mitch Ervin tech Cooper Bohn (34-8 union)

171 Brad Hitchings idk the union kid but hitchings will win ?????

189 ?

215 ?

285 Jordon Whiting pin union (34-14)

if someone can fill in the ?'s then id say this is pretty much what would happen but it looks like union would dominate

This is way waaay off.

[chapper88 0]

What would your perdictions be then?

[385 109]

103 John Fahy major decision Jarvis Elam                (4-0)          Trinity

112 Myron Bradbury pin Issac Thomas                    (10-0)        Trinity

119 Aaron Carr pin Brent Hitchings                        (10-6)        Trinity

125 Jake Wempe major Sean Gillespie                    (10-10)

130 Caleb Ervin pin Bradon Birk                              (10-16)        Union

135 Luke Ervin pin Matt Matheny                          (10-22)        Union

140 Matt Young dec ???                                      (10-25)        Union

145 Grant Ohlmann dec Issac Ervin                        (13-25)        Union

152 Erin McCauley tech Joshua Willet                      (18-25)        Union

160 Mitch Ervin pin Cooper Bohn                            (18-31)        Union

171 Brad Hitchings pin Jarrod Burke                          (24-31)      Union

189 Josh Lewis tech Diante Wright                          (29-31)      Union

215 Brock Messina major Levi Griggs                        (33-31)      Trinity

285 Jordan Whiting pin ???                                      (39-31)      Trinity

Just my personal opinion. Lot of major mismatches, so there would be lots of pins. This is all assuming that kids wrestled their regular weight classes, with no bumping around to get a score advantage. Trinity starts off strong with the first two, then Union owns the middle weights, but Trinity makes the comeback with 171-285. The hinges are basically on the 189 and 215 matches.

[chapper88 0]

There is no way Fahy would major dec Elam or Lewis would tech wright. No way!!

[chapper88 0]

If Elam beat bradburry 3 times there is no way he would get majored dec by fahy.

[385 109]

If Elam beat bradburry 3 times there is no way he would get majored dec by fahy.

I know you hate Trinity, but thats just how I think it is!  :wink:

[CoachF 1]

I thnk the Carr - Hitchings match would be a lot closer.  Remember your talking about Hitchings from this year vs. Carr from last year.  I think Carr got 4th last year vs Hitchings who got 8th. 

125 I think would be closer as well.  Wempe got 4th last year vs. Gillespie who got 7th this year.

Overall it would be an interesting match up.

[tiltfor3 20]

If Elam beat bradburry 3 times there is no way he would get majored dec by fahy.

Bradburry also has a win over Elam and Dan Smith pinned him his senior year. I would say a tech or even a pin would not be a stretch.

This dual kinda looks like how it played out at state this year. Trinity owning the lower weights, Union dominating the middle but not having the horses to stay with them in the upper weights.

I also think it would depend on weight they started and who has the momentum in the swing matches.

Trinity is also deeper in most weights allowing them to bump wrestlers and create their momentum.

[ukpridewrestler 0]

Diante wouldnt get teched by Lewis.

[pin2win 58]

Bradburry also has a win over Elam and Dan Smith pinned him his senior year. I would say a tech or even a pin would not be a stretch.

This dual kinda looks like how it played out at state this year. Trinity owning the lower weights, Union dominating the middle but not having the horses to stay with them in the upper weights.

I also think it would depend on weight they started and who has the momentum in the swing matches.

Trinity is also deeper in most weights allowing them to bump wrestlers and create their momentum.

Elams strength would give fahy trouble..

[Tyger 0]

Bradburry also has a win over Elam and Dan Smith pinned him his senior year. I would say a tech or even a pin would not be a stretch.

This dual kinda looks like how it played out at state this year. Trinity owning the lower weights, Union dominating the middle but not having the horses to stay with them in the upper weights.

I also think it would depend on weight they started and who has the momentum in the swing matches.

Trinity is also deeper in most weights allowing them to bump wrestlers and create their momentum.

When did Bradbury beat Elam? And even if he did, Elam still beat him 3 times, including at state duals and state, where it mattered.  And when did Smith pin Elam (who would have been wrestling up a weight class)? 103 was a much stronger weight class last year when Elam won (by pin in the finals). And to be perfectly honest, i thought 103 was fairly weak this year (one stand out does not make a strong weight class, depth and good competition do).  So it is difficult to compare Fahy and Elam, although I think it would still be close.  But I would say that a tech or pin would be a gigantic stretch.  I would give the victory to Jarvis Elam, because if it came down to it, he would want it more. 

103-Elam dec. Fahy 6-3          3-0 Union

112-Myron Bradbury pin Issac Thomas                  3-6 Trinity   

119 Aaron Carr pin Brent Hitchings                        9-6 Union

125 Jake Wempe major Sean Gillespie 14-4              13-6 Union 

130 Caleb Ervin pin Bradon Birk                              19-6 Union

135 Luke Ervin pin Matt Matheny                          25-6 Union

140 Matt Young dec. Trinity                                  28-6 Union

145 Grant Ohlmann dec Issac Ervin 4-3                    28-9 Union

152 Erin McCauley maj. dec Joshua Willet 13-5          28-13 Union

160 Mitch Ervin pin Cooper Bohn                            34-13 Union

171 Brad Hitchings pin Jarrod Burke                          34-19 Union

189 Josh Lewis maj. dec. Diante Wright 10-1            34-23 Union

215 Brock Messina major Levi Griggs  13-2                34-27 Union

285 Jordan Whiting pin Union                                  34-33 Union

Union takes a nice lead and then Trinity gradually catches up but never takes the lead.  Union wins. 

[ARealWrestlingFanatic 1]

Elams strength would give fahy trouble..

Fahy teched or pinned every opponent at state in 09.  No one scored points against him except Paden with 3 escape points.  Elam beat Paden in 08 by only a decision (10-5).  I see Fahy at least majoring Elam if not a tech or pin.

I agree with ukpride that Lewis would not Tech Wright.

[ARealWrestlingFanatic 1]

When did Bradbury beat Elam? And even if he did, Elam still beat him 3 times, including at state duals and state, where it mattered.  And when did Smith pin Elam (who would have been wrestling up a weight class)? 103 was a much stronger weight class last year when Elam won (by pin in the finals). And to be perfectly honest, i thought 103 was fairly weak this year (one stand out does not make a strong weight class, depth and good competition do).  So it is difficult to compare Fahy and Elam, although I think it would still be close.  But I would say that a tech or pin would be a gigantic stretch.  I would give the victory to Jarvis Elam, because if it came down to it, he would want it more. 

103-Elam dec. Fahy 6-3           3-0 Union

112-Myron Bradbury pin Issac Thomas                   3-6 Trinity   

119 Aaron Carr pin Brent Hitchings                         9-6 Union

125 Jake Wempe major Sean Gillespie 14-4              13-6 Union   

130 Caleb Ervin pin Bradon Birk                              19-6 Union

135 Luke Ervin pin Matt Matheny                           25-6 Union

140 Matt Young dec. Trinity                                  28-6 Union

145 Grant Ohlmann dec Issac Ervin 4-3                    28-9 Union

152 Erin McCauley maj. dec Joshua Willet 13-5          28-13 Union

160 Mitch Ervin pin Cooper Bohn                             34-13 Union

171 Brad Hitchings pin Jarrod Burke                          34-19 Union

189 Josh Lewis maj. dec. Diante Wright 10-1             34-23 Union

215 Brock Messina major Levi Griggs  13-2                 34-27 Union

285 Jordan Whiting pin Union                                   34-33 Union

Union takes a nice lead and then Trinity gradually catches up but never takes the lead.  Union wins. 

You lose all credibility by saying Elam would stay close to Fahy, let alone beat him.  He could want it all he wants but I don't see him having anywhere near the drive that Fahy has.  They both wrestled Paden except Paden would have been a full year more improved yet Fahy beat him 14-3 and Elam beat him 10-5.  103 may not have been as strong but comparing common opponents head to head, Fahy comes out on top.

Smith and Elam would met at Raider Rumble when Elam was at 19.  And he pinned him.  Here is a excerpt from the results (http://www.ohiowrestler.com/Results-07/OW_07_RyleRaiderRumble_Results.pdf):

First Place

103: Sean Vandyke(Grundy) over Dakota Vance(Grundy forfeit

112: Dan Smith(Trinity) pin Jarvis Elam(Union Co.) 5:36

[PD 2]

I would give the victory to Jarvis Elam, because if it came down to it, he would want it more. 

Why would Elam want it more?? 

I agree with 385.  Elam only beat Paden 10-5 in the KY state tournament last year.  Fahy beat Paden worse than that in the MS state finals last year.  I think it was close to a tech.  Fast forward fahy one year against Elam from last year and it's not even close.  Fahy didn't even get taken down this entire year at 103 and is in several national rankings.  I don

[ankle_pick111 0]

Why would Elam want it more?? 

I agree with 385.  Elam only beat Paden 10-5 in the KY state tournament last year.  Fahy beat Paden worse than that in the MS state finals last year.  I think it was close to a tech.  Fast forward fahy one year against Elam from last year and it's not even close.  Fahy didn't even get taken down this entire year at 103 and is in several national rankings.  I don

[pin2win 58]

When did Bradbury beat Elam? And even if he did, Elam still beat him 3 times, including at state duals and state, where it mattered.  And when did Smith pin Elam (who would have been wrestling up a weight class)? 103 was a much stronger weight class last year when Elam won (by pin in the finals). And to be perfectly honest, i thought 103 was fairly weak this year (one stand out does not make a strong weight class, depth and good competition do).  So it is difficult to compare Fahy and Elam, although I think it would still be close.  But I would say that a tech or pin would be a gigantic stretch.  I would give the victory to Jarvis Elam, because if it came down to it, he would want it more. 

103-Elam dec. Fahy 6-3           3-0 Union

112-Myron Bradbury pin Issac Thomas                   3-6 Trinity   

119 Aaron Carr pin Brent Hitchings                         9-6 Union

125 Jake Wempe major Sean Gillespie 14-4              13-6 Union   

130 Caleb Ervin pin Bradon Birk                              19-6 Union

135 Luke Ervin pin Matt Matheny                           25-6 Union

140 Matt Young dec. Trinity                                  28-6 Union

145 Grant Ohlmann dec Issac Ervin 4-3                    28-9 Union

152 Erin McCauley maj. dec Joshua Willet 13-5          28-13 Union

160 Mitch Ervin pin Cooper Bohn                             34-13 Union

171 Brad Hitchings pin Jarrod Burke                          34-19 Union

189 Josh Lewis maj. dec. Diante Wright 10-1             34-23 Union

215 Brock Messina major Levi Griggs  13-2                 34-27 Union

285 Jordan Whiting pin Union                                   34-33 Union

Union takes a nice lead and then Trinity gradually catches up but never takes the lead.  Union wins. 

No way ohlmann beats issac..and lews doesnt major diante