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    Missouri has had a set date with the University forever. Even with Mizzou moving to the SEC they were able to work out a schedule that did not conflict with their college events. They simply schedule away events the week of the tourney. They have nothing in the Arena after tonight I believe. Set up starts tonight after the game and wrestling begins tomorrow and goes all the way to Feb. 25th. They run four classes of boys and 2 classes for ladies. If it is feasible for them to be able to do this, I would think a college in Kentucky could do the same with less sports than a major D1 school. To look at their schedule just go to mshsaa.org and go to wrestling. There has to be a better solution than a high school for Kentucky.

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    This is a choice for wrestlers and their families. If you are selected to go, then you go. If it does not fit into your personal schedule you pass so the next available person is able to attend. You are trying to make this more than what it is if you feel Union is being shunned. They choose not to participate, so if you are upset and want t ask questions. You should probably direct those toward Union coaches so they can answer you, but you will probably get the same response as Ranger does: No thanks. Pretty simple

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    I wish the same thing Panthers. Sad thing is that I don't live in Kentucky anymore but still hate the way the wrestling community is treated by the state. They wanted to grow wrestling and did so with the 32 man bracket but seem to have just stopped there with that momentum. Putting together more efficient tourneys and the best representation of what wrestling truly is would have brought lots of money to the state. Once wrestling families are in and hooked, they probably spend more than any other family. Travel to tourneys, food, hours upon hours of dedication. If the state would have jumped on that then they could have been reaping the rewards now.

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    5 minutes ago, panthers said:

    Track has its problems and not a big fan but it really doesn't matter if not for two things one when someone wins that shouldn't and two seeing a match up we want to be semis or finals. Truth we cant fix any of that because its truly out of our hands. What would help is if the other issues with track were to be fixed. I don't see any reason track cant make it so you can not print your next weight sheet till after you not only put in your weights as it is now but your matches and update records. It would be a easy fix for track to do this if they wanted or was asked by the state but its just not important enough to the ones who could maybe make that happen. And as stated before there is no plenty for not using track you see it all the time even at regionals kids seeded with a 0-0 or 3-1 when you know they wrestled more than that. 

    This is not mandated by track, this is mandated by your local State Association. Missouri already does this and holds coaches accountable for not putting in results. But, MSHSAA is the one who tells Trackwrestling their procedures. You can have 2 weigh in sheets open, if results or weights are not entered then you are locked out. Track will only do what it is told by the associations, therefore it is not a Trackwrestling problem but a KHSAA problem. All results and weigh ins sheets are verified at district seeding meeting. 

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    @coachteater You are right, I just meant it would be somewhat better method. We have our meetings on the Thursday prior to districts here in Missouri. Any changes need to be made prior to weigh ins and then a reseeding is determined. It is very rare for there to be such moves due to wrestling being the next day. Only changes that really occur are usually because of some type of injury to a wrestler. Coaches get brackets that day, but are not published on Track for viewing to spectators until couple hours prior to tourney.

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    Wrestlers required to have a 45 minute break in between matches. When running a tourney thru track there is no way around that time scheme. Once results are put in for a bout the time adjusts and will put a time stamp on the next time the wrestlers are able to go. It sucks but it is very efficient. When it is a smaller tourney, it is almost inevitable that you will have to slow down the tourney.

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    12 minutes ago, GentleBeard said:

    Logic and rationale is important to me.  It's a pet peeve of mine when something doesn't make sense or I can't draw a logical line through it.  A double elimination bracket where kids with 1 loss get eliminated doesn't make sense to me.  An 8 man bracket at a high school that doesn't have wrestling doesn't make sense to me.  Guaranteeing each semi state has 2 state placers doesn't make sense.  Creating an environment where someone can end their year 0-4, yet leave with a state medal doesn't make sense to me.  Making bus drivers, coaches of the competing teams, and alternates pay $20 doesn't make sense to me - especially when the KHSAA is using high school gyms - mitigating their cost of a bigger venue.  Limiting the number of fans (fine), but not providing a streaming service for those who can't afford to go doesn't make sense to me.  I used to be in the "I'm just glad we have a season" camp, but not when there have been better proposals that would have benefited everyone, including the KHSAA, and given the postseason its rightful value. 

    On a side note:  I do think it would be helpful to have a semi-state tournament between the Regional and State Tournaments.  I really liked the proposal that essentially splits the state in half (i.e. "semi") where Regions 1-4 and 5-8 compete and each tournament qualifies the top 8.  Then, wrestle it out in the same way as Indiana.  This is something that needs to be addressed anyway, along with region realignments.  

    I agree whole heartedly with this logic. The point of a semi state is to cut the state in half. Then bring in the best from each half of the state. You could always go back to our district, regional and state format as well. Both scenarios get you the top 16.

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    1 minute ago, grappler-of-old said:

    I think we are talking about 2 different things.  I am only talking about looking at the region and deciding what wt. to change to.  I really don't think that a wrestler/coach would look at the brackets of other regions to see where to go for the state tourney.  Most of those decisions were already made prior to the regional tourney.  With all the data and rankings out there those type of decisions are already made prior to the seed meeting. 

    The highlighted part happens all the time in every sport. No different than a baseball coach changing starting pitchers last minute because he sees a bad matchup. 

    The baseball analogy doesn't work here. He didn't have to weigh in prior to the game. LOL, also once he wrestles that weight at regionals, the second round he can't change weights because of a bad match up.

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    I don't think you necessarily need a hole in a lineup this year to do it.  I am the fourth best wrestler at my weight but I have wrestled down and up several times during the year because we wrestled duals. In the other region, two kids came down that beat me to make me the four seed. My coach comes to me and says, I have looked at brackets and our 52, who is a stud, is going 45 and you will go 52 where I will be the 2 seed. We are going to do this the weekend of regionals. Only way I could know who was in that bracket at the other regional is because it came out before my region. If the brackets came out at the same time, every coach would have that decision to make and not just the coach who is building the team for a championship run. I just think that if everyone else can build their brackets and have them open to the public 3 days in advance, then why cant this region follow suit. Every other state has a protocol that is followed, when I coached here in Missouri it was seeding meeting on Thursday prior to district. Brackets were built that day, state did not allow us to share that information with the public until Friday when wrestling started. Its just like the draws for state, no one knows until all districts are finished, then the state comes out or you would have guys forfeiting all over the place to avoid tough wrestlers until the finals.

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    18 minutes ago, grappler-of-old said:

    This is not new.  As long as I have been in wrestling.  (80s) This has been the case.

    I personally don't see a problem.  This mostly helps the small struggling programs, to allow a kid to move up b/c of missing weight.

    Who cares if a kid moves up because of the competition?  He still has to beat the kid in front of him. 

    Isn't the goal to get the best kids to move on?  If it is someone from a lower wt. class that can move up and still win then let it be so. 

    That is a competitive disadvantage to those schools who set their lineups and hold their kids accountable to that weight. If I am the third best wrestler at 120, and see every bracket come out before me and think I should wrestle at 126 because it gives me an advantage, then that is not good for the sport. Or my coach moves kids around because he thinks they can win a championship if some guys go to a different weight. The other schools did not have the same opportunity because their bracket did not show up until the day of competitions before a decision could be made. 

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