LOWsingle140 0 Report post Posted August 3, 2005 who do you all think will be the top 5 at each weight class? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DAWG6 Report post Posted August 4, 2005 Simple, Take the top five of each weight class "minus seniors" move them all up one weight class and you have a preseason best guest :!: 1/3 of those kids won't even be in that weight class come Dec :!: If your looking for you name, hope you got a medal last year at state :twisted: If not, you have to prove yourself by beating someone that got a medal last year to move up. Bottom line -- preseason is a SWAG :roll: Everyone moves around in the weights and until Jan, rankings are EGO :evil: And they don't mean sh__t Regionals give you a better chance based on place, but state is where it matters. You can beat someone two or three times during the season, but if you lose to them at state "YOUR OUT" and they continue. State is the only tournment that matters, and the best kids still get screwed by the computer somestimes and others get a break. Just bust your butt and work hard and don't worry where your names is, the true champion is the guy standing on the top spot on the platform come the end of Feb. "AND he may not even be the best kid, he was just that day :wink: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LOWsingle140 0 Report post Posted August 4, 2005 no im not looking for my name i know im not up there, not even close, i was trying to make an interesting topic.. :roll: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grapplinfan 0 Report post Posted August 4, 2005 That was kind of harsh, and a little bit out of nowhere at times Dawg. If your kid were to spill their milk, do you slug em in the head ? You're not completely right either. I saw Paul Marks ranked above Ashbrooke (i didn't agree with that i might add) in the pre season rankings a coach put on the former site. Coleman was also ranked at 125 ahead of Baines and and Ashbrooke and he didn't place. And Marks didn't place either, that kind of screws up the hypothesis that state finishers minus the seniors generates the preseason rankings. Although, for the most part you're right about how they're put together, but there's some exceptions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DAWG6 Report post Posted August 4, 2005 I don't disagree with your point. Bottom line the preseason rankings are put together by the Eastern coach and he only can rank what he knows :idea: Example: Last year 119 Result: 1st Kyle Ruschell 12 Ryle 2nd Stacy Miller 11 Larue County 3rd Ben Warner 10 Oldham County 4th Andrew Trimble 12 Johnson Central 5th Eric Bryant 11 McCreary Central 6th Zack Peters 12 Trinity (Louisville) 7th Malcolm Jackson 10 Fern Creek 8th Daniel Murner 11 South Oldham My Preseason 119 ranks if I were to pick. I know for a fact that 8 or 9 of these kids will be at 125 or 130 :!: I don't believe Miller is the best of these ten. He may have even lost to some of these guys; but, he was the state runner-up and deserves his name on top until some one knocks him off or someone else earns the top spot. One problem is coaches don't get all the results to the eastern coach so he picks them based on what he see at tournments or others telll him :!: Coachs could make the ranking alot more accurate if they would ALL give input:!: The coaches say they don't care about rankings; but, they are the first ones to want to use them for seeding :shock: Stacy Miller 12 Larue County Ben Warner 11 Oldham County Eric Bryant 12 McCreary Central Malcolm Jackson 11 Fern Creek Daniel Murner 12 South Oldham Cassidy Veach 11 John Hardin Bryan Wasson 10 Harrison John Smith 12 Woodford Griffith Campbell County Ashley Southern Stafford Ashland The kids need to keep their eye on the target [state tournment] not the ranking. Sorry, if I offended anyone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grapplinfan 0 Report post Posted August 4, 2005 Yeah, i agree nobody knows where all those kids are gonna end up wrestling. I actually find it more fun to speculate about what class guys are gonna wrestle. Anticipating big matchups you didn't get to see the previous year is quite fun at times. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Switch171 0 Report post Posted August 4, 2005 the only in state matches that stacey miller lost last year was to kyle ruschell Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DAWG6 Report post Posted August 5, 2005 the only in state matches that stacey miller lost last year was to kyle ruschell I'm not disrespecting Stacy 8) But did he wrestle Warner or Bryant :?: Miller and Veach had some good matches :wink: It will be interesting to see where Ozzy and Stacy go 125/130 :?: Stacy is a top contendered at 125, but I think 130 :shock: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chief125 0 Report post Posted August 5, 2005 which weight should they go and how do u think they will do ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DAWG6 Report post Posted August 5, 2005 which weight should they go and how do u think they will do ? Coach Canter will make the right decision and guide both Ozzy and Stacy which I think both are senior's. They say Ozzy weight around 140 :?: to drop 15 pounds is a big drop. Don't know what Stacy weighs and I don't know if he can get back to 119 :?: Stacy will go farther at 125 than at 130. If Ozzy can get to 125 without killing himself; yes, he will be a top contender at 125 with several other kids :idea: But Ozzy needs to talk to Bryant about cutting that much weight. Bryant would have been tougher at 125 "strong" than 119 drain :!: Similiar for Coty Lewis he wrestled at 135 at the Kentucky games, did he cut anything to make that :?: DOes he weigh less and just didn't want to match up with Warner and Bryant, who know :?: Maybe someone from Wooodford can shed some light on the subject :!: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Breds130 0 Report post Posted August 6, 2005 They already have the pre-season rankings out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pld103 0 Report post Posted August 6, 2005 Where do you go to see the pre-season rankings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kdsmith27 14 Report post Posted August 7, 2005 Where do you go to see the pre-season rankings. Use the link below: http://eteamz.active.com/nhhswrestling/handouts/ This is the KWCA pre season rankings, not North Hardin. I have them because they were sent to most of the coaches. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Switch171 0 Report post Posted August 7, 2005 do you think u could post the results on here bc it wont let me see them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kdsmith27 14 Report post Posted August 7, 2005 do you think u could post the results on here bc it wont let me see them Kentucky Wrestling Coaches Association Pre Season 2005-2006 March 18, 2005 103 Travis Sullivan Wayne Co 10 Adam Carr Union Co 11 Matt Slone Sheldon Clark 9 Cory Spencer Johnson Central 10 Joaquin Luna Eastern 9 Kyle Ashworth Ryle 10 Alan Johnson Ft. Campbell 10 Mason Bradbury Central Hardin 9 Daniel Fuller Seneca 11 Dusty Brown Simon Kenton 9 Shane Parks Woodford Co 10 Antonio Zeppa North Oldham 11 John Herold South Oldham 10 Cliff Cornett Henry Clay 11 112 Caleb Wood Fern Creek 11 Coty Lewis Woodford Co 10 Tyler Voth Dunbar 11 Clayton Stocker Anderson Co. 12 Hank Whalen Harrison Co 10 Matt Eck North Hardin 11 Chance Puckett Union Co 12 Sam Scheuer Campbell Co 11 Justin Pitcher John Hardin 10 Nick Norwood St Xavier 11 Lucas Carman Larue Co 10 John Chiu Seneca 10 119 Stacey Miller Larue Co 12 Ben Warner Oldham Co 11 Eric Bryant McCreary Co 12 Cassidy Veach John Hardin 10 Malcolm Jackson Fern Creek 11 John Smith Woodford Co 12 Bryan Wasson Harrison Co 10 Daniel Murner South Oldham 12 Louis Ashley Southern 12 Trace Stafford Ashland 12 Kyle Griffith Campbell Co 10 125 Derek Scott South Oldham 12 Daniel Thueneman Scott 11 Ozzie Parker Larue Co 12 Ben Rust Campbell Co 12 Marcus Coleman Caldwell Co. 12 Rusty Parks Woodford Co 12 Tyler Baines St Xavier 12 Paul Marks Eastern 11 Josh Ashbrook Harrison Co 10 Chad Scott Woodford Co 10 Tyler Weldon Fern Creek 12 Eric Warner Oldham Co 12 John Teague University Heights 11 130 Harrison Courtney Woodford Co 9 Joey Sanders Wayne Co 12 Brian Peace Ryle 11 Wesley Kiper Ohio Co 11 Derek Branch Fern Creek 10 Beau Saunders Harrison Co 10 Alex Shearer Trinity 12 Trey Morlatt Oldham Co 10 Shane Carey Anderson Co 10 Nick Coomer Lafayette 12 Cameron Bibbs Christian Co 12 135 Jacob Murton Lawrence Co 12 Brandon Howard Sheldon Clark 11 Patrick Banks Larue Co 11 Mitch Ervin Union Co 10 Josh Cooper Simon Kenton 11 Matt Mines Ft Campbell 12 Ben Mason Campbell Co 11 Jacob Spaulding Anderson Co 12 Clint Hovecamp Ryle 12 Ben Berger Fern Creek 10 140 Bobby Aylor Ryle 12 Brian Wilson Campbell Co 12 Cody Walls Caldwell Co 12 Nate Johnson Ft Campbell 12 John Goldsby Holmes 11 Ryan Ross Harrison Co 12 Joe Powers Southern 12 Blake Kraft Oldham Co 11 Aubrey Hayes Jeffersontown 12 Chris Booth Danville 12 Bryan Ford South Oldham 12 Kevin Stewart Fern Creek 11 145 Austin Cooper Simon Kenton 12 John Wolsiefer Fern Creek 10 Chad Fyffe Franklin Co 12 Ben Greco South Oldham 12 Cody Traylor Caldwell Co 12 Miles Risinger Union Co 12 Adam Dials Sheldon Clark 10 Scott Wheeler Larue Co 11 Tim Winchester Wayne Co. 10 Drew Robinson Oldham Co 12 Mike Obrien Ryle 12 Taylor Casson Conner 12 152 Tony King Dixie Heights 12 Nathan Lovewell South Oldham 12 Kyle Carman Larue Co 12 Matt Baker North Hardin 11 Shane Young Tates Creek 12 Allen Tomassetti Trinity 12 Mason Reid Ryle 10 Shandon Hooper Seneca 12 Tim Jones Perry Central 12 Alex Weiss Fern Creek 12 160 Ben Rupp Eastern 11 Will Starks Woodford Co 11 Jacob Hildreth Campbell Co 12 John Phillips Franklin Co 12 Bryant Barnhill Larue Co 11 Cody Lasseigne South Oldham 11 171 Mark Jones North Hardin 10 Greg Ashworth Ryle 12 Zack Guiler Henry Clay 11 Daniel Martinko Oldham Co 12 Ryan Houchens South Oldham 9 Joe Embree Larue Co 11 Robert Dillhoff Anderson Co 12 Matt White Seneca 12 189 Richard Starks Woodford Co 12 Alex Wenninger Oldham Co 12 Brience Willian Larue Co 12 Grant Laswell Trinity 12 Zack Utley South Oldham 12 Steven Dow North Hardin 12 Travis Aubrey Harrison Co 12 215 Taylor Sherer South Oldham 12 Matt Byrd Woodford Co 11 Dale Stone Conner 12 Aaron Wise Eastern 12 Jason Hardin Pleasure Ridge Park 12 Douglas Winter Dunbar 11 Lane Ackman Ballard 12 Justin Chaffin Sheldon Clark 10 275 Mike Clark Trinity 12 Kyle Goodwrich Woodford Co 12 Bryan Hall Paducah Tilghman 12 Adam Burdin Ohio Co 11 Andrew Damico Simon Kenton 12 John Wells Sheldon Clark 12 Corey Peters Central 12 Team 1 - Woodford Co 2 - South Oldham 3 - Larue Co 4 - Ryle 5 - Fern Creek 6 - Campbell Co 7 - Oldham Co 8 - Sheldon Clark 9 - Harrison Co 10 - North Hardin 11 - Eastern 12 - Union Co 13 - Trinity 14 - Simon Kenton 15 - Wayne Co 16 - Calwell Co 17 - Ft Campbell 18 - Anderson Co 19 - Seneca 20 - Ohio Co Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chief125 0 Report post Posted August 7, 2005 those rankings are garbage Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grandma 0 Report post Posted August 8, 2005 those rankings are garbage Yeah, pretty much! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
loupaul22 0 Report post Posted August 8, 2005 those rankings suck and rankings dont say anything about a person. i know people that yall have not ranked that will be talked about for months to come so yall have fun with ranking and down playing everyone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DAWG6 Report post Posted August 8, 2005 those rankings suck and rankings dont say anything about a person. i know people that yall have not ranked that will be talked about for months to come so yall have fun with ranking and down playing everyone. Thank you, I couldn't agree with anyone more strongly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pioneer_pride 1 Report post Posted August 8, 2005 oh man, are those ever bad! no offense to whomever does those....but Ryle at 4th? Come on! I know they got some question marks, but they're going to be STRONG this year! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grapplinfan 0 Report post Posted August 8, 2005 I don't see St Xavier in the top 20 ?!?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DAWG6 Report post Posted August 8, 2005 This could be a great motivation for Coaches, Individuals and Teams :wink: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UC_Wrestler_112 0 Report post Posted August 9, 2005 i dont agree with the rankings either i believe that Union County will be in the top 5. we will have a strong, experienced team and in my opinion we will be alot better than last year. we placed 7th missing the top 5 by 9 points. they also have matt eck ranked above me and sam Schuerer from Ryle when Eck didnt even place. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cougarwrestler 0 Report post Posted August 9, 2005 According to these rankings 52 and 71 will not be very strong. My pick at 71 is Ashworth. He gave me a better run for my money then Jones did. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grapplinfan 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2005 Scheuer placed. If you're the Union Co 112, don't you remember beating him in the 7th/8th place match ? Although if you did beat him, he shouldn't be ranked over you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
