GooglyMoogly
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2 hours ago, pin4thewin said:Personally I would love to have rules closer to college, I just don't think we can have riding time because of all the incompetent table workers. 4-Point nearfall would completely change the sport but I think it would be better.
Was riding time suggested?
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8 hours ago, 385 said:Im not your brother, buddy
He's not your buddy, guy...
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10 hours ago, DrBaker said:This is crazy. Is the money going towards prize money for the kids?
In what way is this crazy? Your own middle school tournament(Battle of the Brave) charges $25 per individual and it is held in a school gym. You should probably let Josh Walls and Robert Ervin know they are taking advantage of kids charging so much for a tournament. We'll be expecting some prize money for the winners Saturday as well. SMH
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1 hour ago, halfhalfhalf said:More than one College arena has been offered up. I will leave said arena nameless.
Lol. Why?
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2 minutes ago, pin4thewin said:He's just putting an idea out there, clearly, you don't like it but it's better than nothing. Personally, I am not against this.
It's a great idea. We are doing a pretty close version of it this year. We don't have 6-8 dedicated coaches, but that is not for a lack of trying.
March 27th - FS/GR Mini Camp @ Bellarine (Session 1 - Technique, Session 2 - Minimal Technique/Mostly Live) 32 male wrestlers attended
April 23rd - FS/GR Mini Camp @ Bellarmine (Session 1 - Technique, Session 2 - Minimal Technique/Mostly Live) 30 male wrestlers attended
April 30th - FS/GR State @ Taylor County 114 Total wrestlers attended
June 5th - FS/GR Mini Camp @ Bellarmine (Session 1 - Technique, Session 2 - Minimal Technique/Mostly Live)
The flyer with this information was sent out and posted multiple times. It was handed to the majority of coaches at the high school and middle school/youth state tournaments.
We had 50 different male wrestlers attend the two camps. The opportunity is there. I have seen it work in other states so that is why we are doing it this way here.
Bottom line is...COACHES DRIVE PARTICIPATION IN THE OFFSEASON! If coaches aren't involved then the vast majority of wrestlers aren't either.
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13 hours ago, plantmanky1 said:I have an idea to help this along.
1. You need 6-8 dedicated coaches to lead this up.
2. You need 4 dates (3 Regional dates, 1 state date)
3. You have 3 regional FR/GR mini camps that the end of the camp is a mini tournament, no awards or anything, but a test run. (like one person posted, his kids were hesitant, give them a place to do a trial run) - Maybe charge 20 bucks or something small.
Examples: Etown, Lexington, NKY (move them around how you need too.
4. Then you have the state tournament, awards the whole shebang.
Bahahahahaha...this is sarcasm right?
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42 minutes ago, gator1 said:I grew up wrestling in PA and the biggest difference I see between KY and PA is numbers. More youth, more middle school, more high school. JV squads with real wrestle offs that pushed the starters to work harder. Individual tournaments that you could be proud of to come in 3rd place, and you definitely wouldn't place if you didn't put in the work.
Also way less travel and more competitions because every school had a team.
I believe if you increase the numbers, the competitive spirit will take care of the rest.
Idk, I could be totally wrong. But that's my theory.
Pennsylvania has triple the population of Kentucky, but that isn't a great excuse when Oklahoma(.5 million less) and Iowa(1.4 million less) have much greater success than we do. What it comes down to is a lack of coaches. Specifically, a lack of coaches who are committed beyond the season. No division one teams in the last 30 years/a low number of other college programs are a major contributor to this.
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17 hours ago, gator1 said:This is an interesting question, so I checked... It's 14.3%
106 - Micah Thompson (8th -> 6th)
120 - Hunter Luttrell (7th -> 7th)
138 - Nicholas Armentano (7th -> 7th)
150 - Aiden Zinser (8th -> 8th)
150 - Mason Kellett (7th -> 7th)
157 - Brandon Burchett (7th -> 6th)
165 - Jack James (7th -> 8th)
285 - Kaleb Kiely (8th -> 3rd)
That's 8 out of 56 kids that finished 7th or 8th at semi states, who then went on to place in the final round.
That's actually a fairly high percentage when you consider that these guys all started with terrible draws against the top 2 guys from the other semi-state.
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17 hours ago, gator1 said:This is an interesting question, so I checked... It's 14.3%
106 - Micah Thompson (8th -> 6th)
120 - Hunter Luttrell (7th -> 7th)
138 - Nicholas Armentano (7th -> 7th)
150 - Aiden Zinser (8th -> 8th)
150 - Mason Kellett (7th -> 7th)
157 - Brandon Burchett (7th -> 6th)
165 - Jack James (7th -> 8th)
285 - Kaleb Kiely (8th -> 3rd)
That's 8 out of 56 kids that finished 7th or 8th at semi states, who then went on to place in the final round.
That's actually a fairly high percentage when you consider that these guys all started with terrible draws against the top 2 guys from the other semi-state.
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5 minutes ago, gator1 said:Anyone know if this is still happening? I was going to register my son, but it looks like only a handful of kids are registered right now. Maybe more kids are registered and it's just not showing up on the entry list?
Everyone registers late! There were 70 wrestlers at two selection clinics so we should see a good turnout Saturday.
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20 hours ago, Bluegrassgrappler said:It used to be a pretty big event
Yes. April 30th in Louisville. There will be a flyer out soon.
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1 hour ago, rjs4470 said:But I also know there is an evaluation system, and I've seen many refs get reviewed by their assignors. And I think they are aware of who the good officials are, and I've seen them counsel officials who need to improve. So I'm not sure we need heightened accountability, nor do we need to grind officials over every call.
Hard to evaluate your buddies/peers effectively. I am not saying assignors shouldn't be a part of the process, but they shouldn't be the only form of evaluating officials either. I was talking to my high school coach yesterday and he was pretty blown away that we don't have a way to evaluate officials. We are way behind the state he coaches in, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be doing everything we can to elevate the level of wrestling here.
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11 hours ago, rjs4470 said:Accountability is important. However, it always seems to be from the standpoint of negativity. As in, "let's catch the ref doing something wrong" Nobody points out the literally thousands of calls a ref gets right during the course of a tournament. It's always about the few they get wrong (many of which aren't wrong, or are at least very subjective). And even if a ref gets 99.9 percent of the calls right, he's a complete turd for getting one wrong. When talking about ref's performance it's always about wanting to hammer them for a mistake. The word accountability is never used positively, or ever in regards to the behavior of parents, coaches or wrestlers towards officials. Perfection is demanded from refs, but not from anybody else. And here's the problem with survey's for coaches to evaluate ref's performance.....coaches aren't always right either, and many only see things with a biased view towards their wrestler.
We need a way to evaluate officials after every competition. Often when we compete in other states the officials are giving out their 'number' so coaches can evaluate them. The officials with the highest ratings through the year are selected for the post season/state tournament. This is pretty common sense in my opinion.
If you take pride in being an official I imagine you would also like to be selected to work the state tournament. A rating process would create competition. Competition incentives people to improve. If you don't improve you don't get selected. How is this difficult to understand?
Perfection is not demanded from officials. Competency is demanded from officials during the post season. Because there is no evaluation officials are an untouchable class in the KY wrestling community and have zero incentive to improve outside of their own intrinsic motivation. If you have been officiating for 10, 20, 30 years there probably isn't a whole lot of motivation to improve your skills. This is how we get incompetent officials at the state tournament. eh hem, stalling, stalling, stalling, stalling, stalling, dq!
Your reasoning is flawed regarding coaches evaluating officials. Lets say an official works 6 tournaments and 6 duals through the season(I know most are doing much more especially if you include middle school/youth). Lets say there is an average of 10 teams across those tournaments and only 2 teams per dual meet. That's 72 evaluations during the season. If we don't incentivize/penalize coaches for doing/not doing the evaluations maybe we get 75% submitted. So on the low end we would have 54 evaluations to build an aggregate. Doing this would create a pretty clear picture of an officials competency. There will be outliers for sure. Especially if a coach is pissed off about a match, but 30 pissed off coaches doing evaluations is not an anomaly, it is a pattern.
If I am an official who is not selected for post season and/or is not happy with my ranking I am probably going to do some self reflection and put more effort into improving my skills, mechanics, understanding of the rules, wrestling positions, etc.
I am not even sure the KHSAA would need to be involved. I think it is possible for the official's association to do this on their own. Create a google form specific to each official. All submissions for that official will be aggregated and the data/comments used to rank them. It could be more intricate than this, but I just thought of the most low effort/cost effective way to do it.
Coaches talk about officials. We have some good ones for sure and there are some young officials I think have real promise, but there are a few that are SOOOOOOO bad they diminish our sport's credibility and that is a problem we need to address.
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8 hours ago, halfhalfhalf said:really MS needs to go back to ending prior to HS season. This season is WAYYYYYYYYYY too long.
I originally voted for the extended season and I agree. For the kids who are serious it is fine. The kids who are just getting introduced to it or aren't year around are struggling with it for sure.
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How many middle school post-seasons do you get?
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33 minutes ago, ukpridewrestler11 said:Sleeping on Jayden Raney like Jordyn last year.
These are rankings, not projections. Is Jayden going to win 106? Almost certainly, but he has to have some high schools results to justify a higher ranking first. I am not speaking for Ranger, but I imagine this is his reasoning. It is the same with freshman in college that we all know will finish way higher than where they start out.
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2 minutes ago, panthers said:I just don't have many that will as a matter a fact I really wish we could get KHSAA to let us have Freestyle and Greco Spring Sport season so the state can improve overall as well. Maybe then I could get more kids to stay and do tourneys.
Why does the KHSAA have to approve a spring FS&GR season for you to get kids to stay and wrestle?
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1 minute ago, rjs4470 said:The problem with the longer season is for smaller schools/programs that are sharing athletes. Even though I come from a program who's had some consistent mid level success, we've had very few wrestling only kids. Almost every kid, even the good ones, have played another sport, and often wrestling has been their past time rather than their main sport. These are the kids that we will lose because of a longer season. I know that many of our kids will have moved on to spring sports, and the one's that stay won't have much left in the tank or great practice opportunities to stay sharp, as our teams (as well as many others) depend on our kids working out with the high school guys in the weeks prior to state and region. With the high school kids being gone, those opportunities will be gone as well.
Small school here as well. Nearly all of our wrestlers play multiple sports so I am not sure why your kids will have moved on to spring sports. Ours don't until they are done. Our kids that play fball don't quit when we start wrestling practices. Why would it be different for spring sports?
Again, why won't they have much left in the tank? If an early February Championship is already maxing your kids out maybe you need to change a few things in your program.
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21 hours ago, gator1 said:It absolutely does cause a conflict. I've got multiple 8th graders that have worked for years for this opportunity to get on the podium in their last year of middle school, and now they risk limping into the season finale because they're also important point scorers for the high school team.
I know it's already been voted on, but I'll just voice my opinion and say that it's a terrible idea to have middle school playoffs after high school. We're looking at a long and grueling 5 month middle school season (mid-October to mid-March).
I wasn't at the meeting where this was discussed. Can someone explain why we've moved it to March? What's the reason to move middle school states back from the pre-COVID days? What are we gaining, besides burnout and injuries?
As a coach who does youth through high school I voted for the move to March when it was first approved 3 years ago. It blows my mind how most programs don't offer any offseason opportunities to your wrestlers then some come on here and argue for a 6-8 week season. I want kids on the mat as much as I can get them. We are surrounded on all sides by states better than us. A major reason is because they just wrestle more and we want to find ways to shorten things up. Make it easier on coaches.
I am not sure why they will be limping into the 'playoffs'? If your 8th graders are good enough to wrestle enough matches during high school post season to get banged up I am sure they will be fine at middle school region/state. If not they probably don't make it out of the region tournament and have a couple weekends off before they have to compete again. YOU DON"T HAVE TO START THE WEEK AFTER FALL BREAK! KY is unique in that we are allowed to practice for 6 weeks before competing. I know IL(high school) gets 2 weeks and they are rolling.
This move was first voted on and approved 3 years ago. Venue issues are why we continued to have State the first weekend in February. We voted again this year and it was approved again. Less than 30 coaches were in the meeting and it seems those who are most involved want a longer season. Weird...
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16 minutes ago, panthers said:I agree some middle school teams still are playing in the state tourney that's not a part of the middle school season but still is a great thing for those programs. But dont we have the same issue with High School wrestlers still playing football in Oct and Nov when we are having High school practices. The Middle school State tourney finals I believe is Oct 16th and although this is late it still isn't that many kids it would affect. Nothing is a perfect plan just throwing this out to give a different thought for all to look at.
The Middle School Football championship game is the second weekend in November. The real solution would be to wait until December to start competing. States with March Championships already do that and I imagine we will follow suit with our middle school schedule as well.
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17 hours ago, panthers said:Fall middle school sports end first Oct so it wont over lap. As for other states doesn't matter what they do some don't have it till Spring and that's ok too. Its not a fight just a suggestion. You will still have youth going on it Nov, Dec, Jan and etc... for anyone just said it wont interfere with anything high school is doing.
Maybe where you are at, but our middle school football teams are still playing.
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10 minutes ago, panthers said:As for long season I agree we should start middle school first of Oct and end Thanksgiving weekend.
So you want to start when kids are playing fall sports and no other states around us are competing and end at Thanksgiving essentially cutting the season in half? Great idea. LOL
With the dates set(hopefully for at least a few years) starting middle school events after Thanksgiving wouldn't be a bad idea though. Or just give kids more weekends off during the season.
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LOL. He is pictured in a photo from last year you clown. You got three different UC fans in here arguing with each other. You other knuckleheads need to follow Dr. Baker's lead and show some class.
We have a governing body that determines athletic eligibility and I assume since Mays was on top of the podium at their event the KHSAA said he was cleared to compete. Having said that, all I have seen from that young man this year is a passion for the sport and character that should be modeled by all.