LCalum
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Joe Angolia stated that Covid regulations was the reason there was no podium.
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Rather than making statements like “a bunch of coaches want it” or “nobody really wants it”, start with a coaches poll and make the results public. Let’s see what the state thinks. Reach out to the head coaches for each team and get their opinion. Then as a whole; argue for what’s best for the sport. It’s easy to form an opinion for the majority when you’re talking to a portion.
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Is there anything wrong with Freedom Hall? Seems like the perfect venue, and typically available.
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A few years ago they weren’t allowed to roll up mats before finals. Coaches did it anyway. Because they worked together and didn’t take no as an answer. The kids deserve proper time to warm up and prepare for matches. It’s the bare minimum that we can give them. They aren’t going to double forfeit every kid in the tournament. Coaches need to stick together and dictate that the kids have the time needed to properly warm up. No one leaves the mat until the kids are ready. KHSAA continues to prove time and again that they don’t care about the sport, the experience, coaches, and most importantly the kids.
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Classy as usual KHSAA
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Placement points (to 6th place) go towards team scores for a team region title.
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When do they come out?
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38 minutes ago, jim said:Pretty sure Todd Allen from LaRue county was
Two time AA NAIA.
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This is being considered a pilot season as well. With hopes to make the semi state setup a permanent change if things work well.
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2 hours ago, 119Rider said:If he placed third in the region, then whoever beat him will have criteria over him, so he cannot be the number 1 seed.
Not true. If he loses at regions to a kid who he beat earlier in the season they cancel each other out. Region placement is not part of the criteria. Head to head would be a wash. The chances of them having the same winning % are probably slim. Also wrestler A loses to wrestler B and places 3rd at regions. But wrestler A beat wrestler C during the regular season and doesn’t wrestle them at regions. Wrestler C wins that region. In this scenario wrestler A could be the 1 seed at semi state after not winning regions.
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18 minutes ago, 119Rider said:The common opponents would be the kids in the region they just wrestled. The criteria has already been established by the state.
I believe he is saying what if 3 wrestlers all end up with 6 points based on the criteria. And end in a tie. Then what? Wrestler A wins criteria point over wrestler B. Wrestler B holds criteria point over wrestler C. Wrestler C holds criteria point over wrestler A. All 3 wrestlers hold criteria over everyone else in the tourney. So they all end up with 6 points. What does the computer do then? Or do the coaches have a conversation and decide at that point?
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I’m not saying i prefer one way over the other. I’m simply asking what it is. If weight class matters so be it. If it doesn’t matter. Also cool. Just looking for clarification.
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2 hours ago, rjs4470 said:In the example you mention, the wrestler who placed higher would “win” that argument. Again, it doesn’t have to be rocket science. If both placed the same, you move to the next criteria. Personally, when setting up tourneys, I’ve never found using “placing at the same weight” necessary as part of the
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4 minutes ago, rjs4470 said:Does it matter in the big picture? A state placer is a state placer. Yes some classes are weaker and some are better. At some point, you really can start to overthink seeding.. it doesn’t have to be rocket science.
If not stated it’s open to interpretation. And will be argued. In previous experience it’s always “at that weight” when seeding tournaments. When 4 different groups are seeding a tourney for the first time ever i think it’s best to provide guidance ahead of time.
some regions have their own bylaws when it comes to seeding the tourney and some say “at that weight”. I believe it’s an important distinction one way or the other. Especially in a year when getting the best kids to state tourney doesn’t matter to KHSAA.
let’s say a kid placed 3rd at 106 last year but another kid took 4th at 120. This year they are at 132. Who wins that argument on placement at last years tourney?
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Would like some clarification if it’s “placed at last years tourney......” at that weight? Or at any weight?
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28 minutes ago, Punisher 61 said:Correct! JT is having an amazing year! As I also pointed out. Austin Head 152, is under ranked and 220 should be Silva #1, Palmer #2 and Dalton Smith #3.
Thomas Boone might have something to say (on the mat) about not being in the top 4 at 220
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I don’t see anything wrong with seeding semi state by region placement. It will separate the 1&2 from a region. If your region has the better two kids at the weight they will meet in finals. If not then it will be 1 vs 1.
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Not to mention this idea has 14 placers who will go 0-3 at state tourney to finish 8th place. What was once a great accomplishment and a battle through the brackets now feels more like a kick in the nuts.
this is still a proposal at this point right? What can we do to change it?
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Region 1&2 have 6 of the top 10 at 106 (just the first example of many). So 4 of them will not qualify. While region 3&4 only have one kid in the rankings at all and is outside the top 15. Not sure I’d call that semantics. The best kid should no doubt qualify for state. But the best kids will not be represented as they should. And it has nothing to do with bad draws or losing a match they shouldn’t.
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Freedom hall was a viable option. They were approached and excited for the opportunity to discuss hosting state. This would have allowed for a normal size bracket with fan attendance at a reasonable price. It likely would have included a small entry fee per team or wrestler or coach to make this happen. Barren was presented with this option and showed no interest or willingness to look further into it.
i don’t know why. My only guess would be 1) it wasn’t as easy. 2) KHSAA wouldn’t make profit off of it. Or 3) it’s not located in lexington.
national duals a couple years ago was held at freedom hall with great success. It would make a great venue for state tourney. And the venue (at least at the time) was available the weekend we needed it. Why was this not considered? Louisville is still centrally located. It would cut down tremendously on travel by eliminating an additional weekend. And most importantly it’s fair to the kids.
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9 minutes ago, GentleBeard said:The fact so many are confused/upset with this decision suggests there were plenty of other options that were not listened to. Us involved in the sport care more about getting the right kids in the tournament (even if it’s an 8 man bracket) than how many fans get to attend. They messed up pretty bad and it’s going to show in the postseason. Also, no contingency plan in case covid comes during semi state. State will be more watered down than some semi states.
Agreed. Other than not having a post season, which option is this better than? Of the 20 or so options that were brought up just on here this seems like the worst. I’m curious what other options they (KHSAA) were considering.
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This is awful
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9 hours ago, ukpridewrestler11 said:Thomas Hoppes has wrestled every match at 132.... except 1. Last Saturday could have been #1 vs #3 Eli Peyton of Paducah.
No one in the gym wanted that match more than Hoppes. He got bumped up to give the team the best chance of winning the dual.
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