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106 Valera 9 113 Delos Santos 3 120 Dennis 2 126 Raney 13 132 Raney 14 138 Whorton 12 144 Jenkins 10 150 Trumble 1 157 Harris 11 165 Dowdy 5 175 Strayer 7 190 Virzi 6 215 James 4 Hwt Whitehead 8

Joe Angolia stated that Covid regulations was the reason there was no podium.

Rather than making statements like “a bunch of coaches want it” or “nobody really wants it”, start with a coaches poll and make the results public. Let’s see what the state thinks. Reach out to the head coaches for each team and get their opinion. Then as a whole; argue for what’s best for the sport. It’s easy to form an opinion for the majority when you’re talking to a portion.

Is there anything wrong with Freedom Hall? Seems like the perfect venue, and typically available.

A few years ago they weren’t allowed to roll up mats before finals. Coaches did it anyway. Because they worked together and didn’t take no as an answer. The kids deserve proper time to warm up and prepare for matches. It’s the bare minimum that we can give them. They aren’t going to double forfeit every kid in the tournament. Coaches need to stick together and dictate that the kids have the time needed to properly warm up. No one leaves the mat until the kids are ready. KHSAA continues to prove time and again that they don’t care about the sport, the experience, coaches, and most importantly the kids.

Classy as usual KHSAA

Placement points (to 6th place) go towards team scores for a team region title.

When do they come out?

Two time AA NAIA.

This is being considered a pilot season as well. With hopes to make the semi state setup a permanent change if things work well.

Not true. If he loses at regions to a kid who he beat earlier in the season they cancel each other out. Region placement is not part of the criteria. Head to head would be a wash. The chances of them having the same winning % are probably slim. Also wrestler A loses to wrestler B and places 3rd at regions. But wrestler A beat wrestler C during the regular season and doesn’t wrestle them at regions. Wrestler C wins that region. In this scenario wrestler A could be the 1 seed at semi state after not winning regions.

I believe he is saying what if 3 wrestlers all end up with 6 points based on the criteria. And end in a tie. Then what? Wrestler A wins criteria point over wrestler B. Wrestler B holds criteria point over wrestler C. Wrestler C holds criteria point over wrestler A. All 3 wrestlers hold criteria over everyone else in the tourney. So they all end up with 6 points. What does the computer do then? Or do the coaches have a conversation and decide at that point?

I’m not saying i prefer one way over the other. I’m simply asking what it is. If weight class matters so be it. If it doesn’t matter. Also cool. Just looking for clarification.

If not stated it’s open to interpretation. And will be argued. In previous experience it’s always “at that weight” when seeding tournaments. When 4 different groups are seeding a tourney for the first time ever i think it’s best to provide guidance ahead of time. some regions have their own bylaws when it comes to seeding the tourney and some say “at that weight”. I believe it’s an important distinction one way or the other. Especially in a year when getting the best kids to state tourney doesn’t matter to KHSAA. let’s say a kid placed 3rd at 106 last year but another kid took 4th at 120. This year they are at 132. Who wins that argument on placement at last years tourney?

Would like some clarification if it’s “placed at last years tourney......” at that weight? Or at any weight?

Thomas Boone might have something to say (on the mat) about not being in the top 4 at 220

I don’t see anything wrong with seeding semi state by region placement. It will separate the 1&2 from a region. If your region has the better two kids at the weight they will meet in finals. If not then it will be 1 vs 1.

Not to mention this idea has 14 placers who will go 0-3 at state tourney to finish 8th place. What was once a great accomplishment and a battle through the brackets now feels more like a kick in the nuts. this is still a proposal at this point right? What can we do to change it?

Region 1&2 have 6 of the top 10 at 106 (just the first example of many). So 4 of them will not qualify. While region 3&4 only have one kid in the rankings at all and is outside the top 15. Not sure I’d call that semantics. The best kid should no doubt qualify for state. But the best kids will not be represented as they should. And it has nothing to do with bad draws or losing a match they shouldn’t.

Freedom hall was a viable option. They were approached and excited for the opportunity to discuss hosting state. This would have allowed for a normal size bracket with fan attendance at a reasonable price. It likely would have included a small entry fee per team or wrestler or coach to make this happen. Barren was presented with this option and showed no interest or willingness to look further into it. i don’t know why. My only guess would be 1) it wasn’t as easy. 2) KHSAA wouldn’t make profit off of it. Or 3) it’s not located in lexington. national duals a couple years ago was held at freedom hall with great success. It would make a great venue for state tourney. And the venue (at least at the time) was available the weekend we needed it. Why was this not considered? Louisville is still centrally located. It would cut down tremendously on travel by eliminating an additional weekend. And most importantly it’s fair to the kids.

Agreed. Other than not having a post season, which option is this better than? Of the 20 or so options that were brought up just on here this seems like the worst. I’m curious what other options they (KHSAA) were considering.

This is awful

No one in the gym wanted that match more than Hoppes. He got bumped up to give the team the best chance of winning the dual.

St X, Christian, LaRue, and Boyle at St X