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    8 minutes ago, Jedigrappler said:

     

    Brilliant!  Why don't you use them?? Makes to much sense?? Bam!!

    Tulsa Nationals is were I got it!bam!!

    Nuway is where I got it!bam!!

    you post USA weight classes! Why?  you don't use them

    your not ahead of the curve!! Your being lapped.  The lead is nearly out of reach!

    Your a lot newer to the sport or just a box of rocks.  Quit drinking the cool-aid! Bam! Mic drop

    Now let's move to today's English lesson:

    too, where, you're, you're, you're

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    34 minutes ago, Jedigrappler said:

    #1. With weight classes set at 3lbs for most of an age group, let's say 6u starting at 37,40,43,46,49,52,55,58,61 will always be closer percentage wise than the current 10% rule.  Math is an exact science

    2.  You should have set weight classes so YOU CANT arbitrarily manipulate brackets.  You have weight groups not classes. If you have a lot of entrants at certain weights then break them into multiple charts.  Like the rest of the country! Eliminate the perception of any "funny business. A point YOU raised.

    #3. You got one thing right.  You don't know me.  

    #4.  Wrong, I have no child wrestling.

    #5. Your delusion that your way is easier to bracket is ludicris.  YOU DONT HAVE TO DO ANY ADJUSTMENTS TO ENSURE 2 kids from same reg don't meet in first round if you use standard weight classes. You hit a button and bam! Your done, no adjusting.  The perception of "funny business" is reality when someone has to arbitrarily adjust brackets.  Who decides how to move him here or her there? Arbitrary at the least!!

    6. Success in the sport requires persistence.  Your systemic failure is a reason to not persist. Have your numbers grown?lol

    6. You talk out of both sides of your mouth when you say a kid who gets demoralized may be in the wrong sport....not tough enough?? Then you talk about having evenly matched brackets in competion(smells of manipulation).  It's not you job to try to create parity in a weight division.  Saying that implies "funny business" exist.

    7. Having standard weight classes ensures fairness in comparable size.  It's apparent to me there's people who love the power first and the best interest of every youth wrestler second! BAM....MIC DROP!!!!

    Anyone that is having a hard time counting to 7 should probably refrain from lecturing others about math.

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    13 minutes ago, Jedigrappler said:

    #1. With weight classes set at 3lbs for most of an age group, let's say 6u starting at 37,40,43,46,49,52,55,58,61 will always be closer percentage wise than the current 10% rule.  Math is an exact science

    2.  You should have set weight classes so YOU CANT arbitrarily manipulate brackets.  You have weight groups not classes. If you have a lot of entrants at certain weights then break them into multiple charts.  Like the rest of the country! Eliminate the perception of any "funny business. A point YOU raised.

    #3. You got one thing right.  You don't know me.  

    #4.  Wrong, I have no child wrestling.

    #5. Your delusion that your way is easier to bracket is ludicris.  YOU DONT HAVE TO DO ANY ADJUSTMENTS TO ENSURE 2 kids from same reg don't meet in first round if you use standard weight classes. You hit a button and bam! Your done, no adjusting.  The perception of "funny business" is reality when someone has to arbitrarily adjust brackets.  Who decides how to move him here or her there? Arbitrary at the least!!

    6. Success in the sport requires persistence.  Your systemic failure is a reason to not persist. Have your numbers grown?lol

    6. You talk out of both sides of your mouth when you say a kid who gets demoralized may be in the wrong sport....not tough enough?? Then you talk about having evenly matched brackets in competion(smells of manipulation).  It's not you job to try to create parity in a weight division.  Saying that implies "funny business" exist.

    7. Having standard weight classes ensures fairness in comparable size.  It's apparent to me there's people who love the power first and the best interest of every youth wrestler second! BAM....MIC DROP!!!!

    BANTAM Born 2008-2009 Two two-minute periods with 30 second rest between periods
    Championship and Consolation: 3 one-minute periods
    40, 45, 50, 55, 60, 65, 70, 75, 75+ (15 lbs. maximum difference)
    INTERMEDIATE Born 2006-2007 Two two-minute periods with 30 second rest between periods
    Championship and Consolation: 3 one-minute periods
    50, 55, 60, 65, 70, 75, 80, 87, 95, 103, 112, 120, 120+ (20 lbs.max difference)
    NOVICE Born 2004-2005 Two two-minute periods with 30 second rest between periods
    Championship: 1 one-minute and 2 1:30 periods; Consolation: 3 oneminute periods
    60, 65, 70, 75, 80, 85, 90, 95, 100, 105, 112, 120, 130, 140, 140+ (25 lbs. maximum difference)
    SCHOOLBOY Born 2002-2003 Two two-minute periods with 30 second rest between periods
    Championship: 1 one-minute and 2 1:30 periods; Consolation: 3 oneminute periods
    70, 77, 84, 91, 98, 105, 112, 120, 128, 136, 144, 152, 160, 175, 190, 210, 265
     

    Those are the current USA weight classes.  Now, Mr. Mic dropper, please explain to me where you came up with your brilliant 3 # weight class concept?  Why not 2 #?  Heck, lets make it 1#

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    14 minutes ago, ctown714 said:

    I can only imagine how hard it must be to run a tournament with these type numbers. My question is say one of my kids weighs 81.50 and there is two weight divisions 81-86 and 78-82. He is placed in the 81-86 an is the lightest kid in that division which I have absolutely no problem with but there is a kid in the 78-82 class that weighs 82.40. Just curious as to how that is justified or is it simply a random computer placing type thing. Any insight would be appreciated

    Last year, we started from the lightest to heaviest w/out exceeding 10% in every age group.  We did 16 man brackets and could have up to 4 kids per team in each bracket.  This forced us to manually generate each bracket....I did it, total pain in the arse.

    This year, we used Track's template.  It automatically attempts to separate teammates.  Therefore, if you can move a kid up to the next bracket and pull a kid down to only have 1 per team per bracket and still keep it w/in 10%, it will.  The only draw back is you have overlap in weights and a little big larger spread rates. 

    Personally, I don't mind it either way.  People don't like the overlaps (mainly conspiracy theorists), but nobody likes 4 kids from one club either. 

     

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    Ugh...here we go again!

    As mentioned, the kids don't complain. I have coached a youth team of 70+ kids for 7 years...I haven't had 1 kid complain about 10% rule.  Not a single wrestler.  I have had many parents question it, but the masses have learned to accept it.  Every year a new batch of "newbie" parents get on the message boards and complain (usually because little Regional Champ got paired up with 5 X State Champ).  Demoralized?  Wow, that seems far fetched. 

    I think a benefit of 10% is exactly what you complained about...it promotes wrestling different kids!  We attend the same tournaments against the same teams every weekend.  My son has only wrestled 1 kid twice all year.  Some weeks he's the biggest, some weeks he's the smallest.  What's wrong with that?

    This year we used Track's own Block Template.  Yes, Track has the 10% format built in!  Wonder why?  Maybe other states and tournament directors see the benefits and flexibility of it.  So you think we're behind the times?  I'd argue when it comes to our state tournament, we might be ahead of the curve. 

    Finally, explain to me how changing the way we bracket makes our wrestlers better? I guess all we need to do is use USA weight classes and our kids will have Burroughs blast double over night. 

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    RAIDER RUMBLE TOURNAMENT

    FOR BEGINNERS AND EXPERIENCED WRESTLERS

     

    DATE:                   Saturday December 5th, 2015

    LOCATION:             Gray Middle School Gymnasium

                                        10400 Hwy 42-Union, KY 41091

    ENTRY FEE:           $12.00 per wrestler and is due at the time of check-in.

    ADMISSION:            Free admission for all spectators.

     

    ROSTERS:                Team rosters must be received by Wednesday- December 2nd!

                                        Please e-mail rosters to: matthewlee@live.com  (859) 391-7600

     

     TIMES:                     Wrestling Starts:       Birth Year (03 & 04, 05 & 06) 9am

                                                                            (Please arrive @ 8:30)

                                                                            Birth Year (07 & 08, 09 & 10) 1:30pm

                                                                            (Please arrive @ 1:00)

    WEIGHT                  

    CLASSES:                 TBD after rosters have been received.  An effort will be made to

                                        create separate brackets for 1st year wrestlers.     

     

    FORMAT:                 Double elimination.  There will be Three-1 minute periods.

                                       

    AWARDS:                 Custom medals will be given to the top 4 placers in each weight class

     

    ONLY COACHES AND WRESTLERS WILL BE PERMITTED ON THE

    FLOOR-WRISTBANDS MUST BE WORE AND CAN BE REQUESTED

    WITH YOUR TEAM’S REGISTRATION.

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    Medals are a selling point, but someone needs to do the selling!  Think about it, by the time the medals have been handed out, our #'s have been established.  Maybe there is a small % of kids that start wrestling the following year because they've seen a medal somewhere.  But every time we've seen a surge in #'s, there was a committed coach behind the scenes recruiting at football fields, schools, etc. 

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    Here is how this rule of not letting middle school placers came about. Back when Stan Martin was the president (That's a long time ago) the main goal of the association was to grow youth wrestling. As the years past it did grow we moved from holding the youth state meet in a high school gym to the arena in Frankort and now at Montgomery county. For years people complained about not having 16 man brackets but the numbers didn't make sense and the sport was continuing to grow so why change what was working. As ideas were presented at the state association meetings on how to continue the growth of the sport I brought up the idea of if a youth wrestler places at the middle school state they would not be eligible to wrestle at the youth state. It was voted on and passed.

    Last year after looking at who placed in the top six at middle school and who didn't that were youth eligible it was changed to the top four placers. Now agree or disagree I can say this was done to help grow the sport. At the time the idea was proposed my son had placed at the middle school state prior to the meeting that this idea was brought up and voted on and he was youth eligible it kept him from competing for the next two years at the youth level so they was no personal agenda.

     

    Now Raider Coach has a valid point he and I have talked about it more than once. Over the last two years the numbers haven't changed that much maybe even down a little that was one of the reasons that the 16 man brackets were implemented to see if that would help in growth by making it more competitive more significant if you place, however you want to look at it. The numbers may have not changed much in the past two years but the level of competition has the skill level of youth wrestling has grown with the exposure the kids have gotten through Team KY and wrestling in the off season ect. So now maybe that idea needs to be looked at again with sixteen man brackets and better competition maybe a change is needed.

     

    As it has been said on this forum more than once if you don't come to the meetings to share your ideas on how to better the sport what do you expect. The past administration has done a done a great job of listening and implementing ideas brought up at the meetings and I'm sure that will continue with the new leaders.  

     

    Coach Wheeler

    You are really showing your age now....

     

    More medals works better w/ retaining kids, not growing the #'s. By tournament time, the #'s are already established.  How does giving out more medals increase #'s?  It doesn't.  It helps retain the kids we have, but we are having a growth issue more than a retainment issue.   

     

    Growth comes from coaches that are committed.  How did Grant County get to 2nd overall and 1st in DII in 3 years? From Coach Messerly and his staff.  They've worked their butts off and built a great program.  The question becomes..."how do we get more guys like that?"           

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    I think we continue to focus on getting more kids involved in the sport. Not only on a state level but a local level. IMO, qualifiers for a youth state tournament is a turn in the wrong direction. I think the state tournament is a great experience for a young wrestler. And a experience they should all have.

    I agree 100%.  If and when we're ready to have qualifiers (I'd say around 1500 kids), I would prefer the TOC format over regionals.  Kind of hard to have regionals at youth when some regions have 20 kids and others have 350. 

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    One last post. I couldn't resist!!

    I wrestled in states where quality was more important than quantity. If you guys want to make our state tournament legit then let's use the regionals a qualifier and all age appropriate kids can compete. Yes a smaller state tournament that could be held at lets say Grant County High School. The Come one Come all mentality is fine if our state tourney is about Money and exposure but if you want it to be a true State Tournament then show up to vote in the spring and let's make the proper changes. I'm all in !!!

    You wrestled before??

     

    This is certainly where we're headed, but the # 's have to make sense.  We need some of the regions to find ways to grow if we use regional qualifiers. 

     

    I like the Tournament of Champions quailifier format.  Have a few tournaments scattered around the state.  They need them to be sanctioned and ran the same way.  If the kids place top 4 in one of those tournaments, you're eligible to participate in the state.  It would also encourage more "in-state" wrestling. 

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    Raidercoach, I'm not arguing about whether they should be allowed to participate. I honestly don't think it's a big deal either way. My point is that the argument against the decision cannot be founded in comparing this situation with MS kids wrestling HS. That point is completely invalid for the very reason I stated.

    Honestly, if we want youth state to be appealing to the elite level kids, then we need to use USA divisions and weight classes like the rest of the country, but again, dead horse!

    My original proposal was to have novice and experienced brackets.  Novice in the morning, 8 man brackets, remote weigh-ins, same as it was in years past.  2nd session, adopt set weight classes (USA would work), weigh in morning of, pre-register on Track, 16+ man brackets.  I still like this the best, but this year's tournament was a lot of fun. 

     

    Regardless of what we do, I personally appreciate others opinions and input.  We can get heated on these message boards, but it usually between all the people that are passionate about the sport.  Our youth and MS kids are looking great! 

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    I can't believe what I am seeing on here!  I've never heard such whining before in my life!  Shouldn't our sole purpose be to grow our state wrestling program?  The youth tournament is such an experience for our younger wrestlers.  It gives them a taste of what a large tournament feels like and, if lucky, what it feels like to stand on the podium.  For some youth, that tournament gives them the confidence they need and makes them strive harder to improve their skills.  Is a youth tournament title going to get them a college scholarship?  No.  What it will do is give them that boost to work harder and to become a great wrestler in the future.  Shouldn't that be the sole purpose?  The more we encourage our youth, the better our state program will be in the years to come. 

    I hardly think a good debate among people who put countless hours into making our state better should be considered "whining." 

     

    Dividing brackets up by GRADE for youth has always seemed silly to me.  What does grade have to do w/ physical development?  Nothing.  BIRTH YEAR does.  What if a kid was 14 years old and in the 5th grade?  Should he be allowed to wrestle in our youth tournament?  Of course not.

     

    This is why the youth tournaments are sorted the way they are.  It is much more fair...smaller age and weight diiference.  Sbfraz, you seem to be making our point.  If the smaller weight classes are close to 100% youth aged kids, then why exclude them from a youth tournament??  Because someome thinks that placing in the top 4 in our MS tournament has miraculously made these kids superior to the youth kids.  Broken record....shouldn't this decision be left with the individuals it impacts, their parents and coaches?  I guess the few coaches that showed up and voted are better suited to make those decisions.  

     

    I have a great youth kid that took 2nd to a wrestler who was ranked top 3 all year in MS.  The MS kid didn't place top 4.  We lost a close 2-0 match.  BIG DEAL!  It was a great experience.  He got to stand on the podium and think about what he needs to do to get better.  In addition, I received an email from a parent of a kid who won 1 match all year!  He was hoping he would win one down state, but failed to do so.  She thanked me for our coach's efforts and pledged to send him to more off-season events to get him better next year.  They didn't get scared off.   

     

    We handed out medals to almost 50% of the wrestlers that showed up.  Since we don't have qualifiers, that is almost 50% of the entire state!  Isn't that enough? If not, lets hand out more, but don't water down the competition out of fear some kid and their parents will quit.  They won't, but if they do, are these the type of families we need in our sport?  Let them play basketball and earn as many participation ribbons they want from their local YMCA. 

     

    The other point worth noting...this the end of the year tournament.  My newbies have been through a few "beginner tournaments" before they wrestled in more challenging tournaments.  The parents and kids were forewarned.  We told them not to expect great results.  Some decide in the first few weeks, wrestling is not for them.  I believe we started with 85 kids and ended w/ under 50.  By the end of the season, these kids and their families understand the sport.  We won't run them away if little Johnny doesn't make the podium. 

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    Please don't assume my opinions are based around the thoughts of my son. He didn't want to wrestle in the youth tournament. I voted against it before he even wrestled a MS match years ago. I explained why I don't like the rule. I believe my points are valid. If you don't agree, no biggie. Obviously you are in majority because it got voted that way. As mentioned not a shred of evidence to support how it improves #'s, which is one of the reasons people voted for it. If I recall, 1 kid who was the MVW of MS State showed up at the Youth tournament and everyone freaked. I've had MS placers decide not to wrestle before the rule was implemented. I've also had a kid that wanted to wrestle in it because he had a goal to win 6 or 7 youth titles, but couldn't. It didn't sit right with me that a bunch of adults w/ agendas prohibited him from achieving his goal, as silly as that goal may seem to some.

    In the end, there are more important issues that needs to be addressed in our state. It's a dead issue to me.