MLee

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    How does it help growth? I always found that argument silly.  Is there any evidence that restricting kids from wrestling a single tournament increases participation?  Just the notion seems ridiculous.

    If you don’t like it because it seems unfair, then fine. But like Duke mentioned, don’t have the lighter weight classes. How many 70 # MS kids do we have in the whole state? I’m not sure we could fill an 8 man bracket. 

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    2 hours ago, Bond James Bond said:

    I sent Ranger a message. Of course his son is top 10. I was trying to stir the pot with a different list. I shouldn't have accused Ranger of throwing any kids under the bus.

    I know I didn't or wouldn't do that.

    I would only argue about who the BEST is. It was not to diss your son. If you took that away I apologize.  

    Wow, what an embarrassment.  You back pedal better than Deion Sanders! 

    Find another sport. You’re a joke. 

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    This is a problem we shouldn't expect coaches like the Carr's and Ranger to solve.  Unfortunately they can only do so much. 

    As long as there is an urge to avoid a better kid, increase your chances to medal in a specific tournament, or a need to fill a lineup spot, there will always be weight cutting.  It's inevitable.  Some kids might be faced w/ those urges early in their career, some might have to deal w/it in college, but there will be a time when almost all wrestlers will consider cutting weight.

    That is why it is so important to get the rules and regulations right. To protect the kids from an over-zealous parent, ultra competitive coach, and even themselves.  A 2 LB weight allowance or "make them make scratch twice" doesn't help at all.  The notion that it does is almost laughable.  

    Again, create a weight management program for MS kids.  If the board makes it mandatory to participate down state, it will get done and paid for somehow.  

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    I’d argue that forcing kids to make scratch twice would encourage more weight cutting than less. I know of many kids that naturally weighed about 2 LBs above a weight class and just wrestled up all season until the allowance went into affect. If they were forced to make scratch, believe me most would have; hence, weight cutting.

    I think having something similar to HS’s weight management program is the only answer if the goal is to reduce weight cutting. Obviously, there are cost and administrative issues that comes w/ that idea.

    On a side note, I think adding a flat 2 LB allowance to MS weight classes is part of the problem. 2 LB’s is a lot for a 70 LB weight class...not so much for HS weight classes. If done correctly, weight allowances should be a flat % increase. Not sure who was the brainiac who started that trend.

     

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    9 hours ago, gameface said:

    I personally would like to thank Tyler, his wife and the River City team for the great weekend of wrestling at Broadbent Arena. The endless time that you've spent preparing for this weekend and the hours and effort over the last 3 days gave us our biggest weekend tournament. After spending almost 30 hours there myself working and coaching, I watched them pulled in 4 directions non stop all 3 days  to make this weekend a success. Thanks to all the teams that had their volunteers show up and for all the parents and wrestlers that were patient through our 1st ran Track wrestling youth tournament. We're moving in the right direction. With growth comes growing pains. With proper leadership and a strong wrestling community we can make this even better FOR THE KIDS in 2018. 

    I didn't stay for the youth this year, but that was the best MS State Tournament I've been to yet. Great job to the KSWA team and the volunteers.  Tyler and the River City crew did a fantastic job and they deserve our gratitude!  

    Thank you too Darren Thomas!  I hope this state appreciates all the effort you've put into making wrestling better.    

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    1 hour ago, grappler-of-old said:

         Much like our government. Each district or region should vote for a representative.  That way each district or region is represented. This is not rocket science its the same way the high school does it.  Why does everyone need to reinvent the wheel.  Follow the high school lead. 

         I have said this for years the middle school should be a mirror image of the high school. Or a close enough image.  

    We used to have regional reps before the youth and MS combined under the KSWA umbrella.  I don't think much has changed.  We're having the same recycled debates now than we did 8 years ago.  

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    I like that they get another tournament. I just find it odd that we combined a MS "JV" group to our state's youth tournament.  I would rather us create a separate tournament altogether or (bare minimum) not include their team points w/ the youth.  It's no longer a youth tournament, but a youth/JV MS combo...huh?

    And no, I have no issues w/ kids wrestling up at all. 

     

     

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    4 hours ago, kyrj said:

    If youth is now up to 14 years old , why do we still have Middle School and youth?

    Because we're confused...

    Youth is not a "rec" league, it's an age group. Youth and MS should be separated, just like MS and HS.

    If MS needs an additional tournament for those beginners, we should copy HS and create a JV MS state tournament separate from youth. Let youth have their tournament.

    I'm still surprised so many voted to include the MS group w/ the youth tournament. To me, it would be like including the HS JV scores to the MS tournament.  

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    4 hours ago, Nike Man said:

    Possible solution-

    1- Get rid of having multiple entries by the same team in one weight class. Simply stated, 1 kid, per team, per weight class.

    2- Drop the district tournament. Too many times I have seen only 2-3 kids entered into a weight class at districts while other districts have plenty. Show up, weigh in, and go to regions. Sounds like youth wrestling to me. Time to put our big boy undies on. 

    3. Once the district tournament is eliminated, you keep your 4 regions, with plentiful numbers and have a great competitive tournament sending the best kids to state. 

    Not popular ideas, I know, but it does introduce competitiveness at the team level for middle school. Just my thoughts though. Let the boos begin! :)

    I like the idea of getting rid of Districts too.  Simply put, we just don't have the #'s to warrant 2 qualifiers. 

    Maybe allow 2 entry limit per class at Regions. That would help control the bracket sizes and ensure the best kids participate. The Adams brothers are a great example. Do we really want to exclude the 2nd best wrestler from the state tournament? I wouldn't.

    The youth state tournament added a "middle school" age group last year for this exact reason. It even counts their team points (if you can believe that).  If a newbie MS kid cannot crack their lineup but still wants to participate in a post season event, this should be the tournament for them. 

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    1.12.1.2 Spandex/lycra. The shirt shall be a T-shirt style form-fitted, sleeveless or short-sleeved and shall not cover or extend beyond the elbow. In addition, the length of the shirt must be longer than the torso to prevent the shirt from becoming untucked. The shirt shall remain tucked into the shorts at all times during competition. The shorts shall be form-fitting with a minimum 4-inch inseam and shall not extend beyond the top of the knees.

     

    Those are the rules from the NCAA.  I guess they aren't as current on wrestling injuries from compression shorts as Plantman's team of astute medical professionals.  

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    11 hours ago, rjs4470 said:

    I hear ya.  The singlet issue wasn't the only issue where some folks had issues with how the bylaw was worded, and there was even a question about an item that had been discussed in the spring and was left off the ballot.  This may be an issue where the board may have to consider a special vote since it was so colors and because many had issues with the way the proposal was worded.  I really believe most would have been comfortable with the proposal had the wording been more specific and clearer.  

    Thanks for the info rjs... 

    Why was cost an issue?  Have we ever policed the cost of headgear, singlets, or warm-ups before?  Seems asinine.  

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    This is precisely why I stated it should not get put to a vote.  I typically respect the voting process, but I've seen first hand people vote against or for something just to be a thorn in the side of the ones trying to help grow the sport.  Plantman brought up safety as the sole reason why he was voting against.  Albeit a silly reason, it was the only reason I read from anyone that held any merit.  I guess the safety of our youth isn't as important as our MS kids.  Huh?  

    My question is...what would happen if some kids showed up with the new gear?  I see HWT's wear compression shirts all the time under their singlets (just like girls) at the HS level.  Would an opposing coach have to request a uniform change?  How pathetic would that be on their part?  I doubt any of the coach's I know would do that.    

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    2 hours ago, Ranger123 said:

    I'm in the same boat as wagers. I prefer the singlet, but do believe we should consider the options if it will possibly help participation. But I do believe that the topic should be discussed and voted on to be sure we are making an informed and safe choice for all the kids involved. The option that gameface proposed is a no brainer; should definitely be an option for the kids. I would be much less supportive of loose fitting shorts and tshirts.  Although that is a good point that we do it every single day in the practice room, and sometimes worse with hoodies. 

    Voting isn't always the answer, you know this. I've seen some of the same people on here debating against compression shorts and shirts make arguments against because of cost.  Now it's a safety issue.  

    We all know it's not about safety. It's a spin job. I broke my leg, collarbone, ankle, tore my knee, countless stitches and dislocated fingers all while wearing a singlet. And the ringworm debate is hilarious. Are we to believe shorts might increase the likelihood of spreading diseases? Too funny.

    The wrestling singlet is arguably the worst uniform of all sports. We're just accustomed to it. Kids play football for the helmets and shoulder pads. Basketball for the shoes. If we can introduce an element of coolness to an archaic sport w/out disrupting its integrity, I say go for it. I doubt it will help tremendously with #'s, but at least we won't see HWT's man boobs pop out all over the place. 

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    14 minutes ago, plantmanky1 said:

     

     

    Mlee, three or four years ago we had a kid dislocate his elbow (required surgery) after he got it caught up in another kids shorts in practice and the kid rolled to get out of the way with his arm still in there.  Freak thing yes, but we had to change our practice attire after that. The proposal in the spring was that teams would have the option to have "Team matching shorts and shirts combo or singlet, but the team had to be uniform"  In other words teams could not have half and half, if that makes sense.   I agree with rjs4470 that I dont think the singlets have as big of an impact on participations numbers as some suggest, but maybe its different in other areas of the state and other teams. 

     

    Gameface, the sports health and safety taskforce that I am on that meets every two months had a uniforms discussion back in June.  While this covers all sports, not just wrestling, there was significant discussion on the "Cage Fighter" type shorts and the "potential" for injury due to how they conform to the body.  Your basic injuries to extremities that could get caught in the shorts during a match, specifically more at risk with the younger ages just learning how to wrestle. I also remember a team doctor from Purdue stating something about the material of the cage fighter shorts material being more susceptible to possibly carrying a bacteria on them if not washed properly, it had to do with the material of the shorts and it being introduced to that bacteria.   The general consensus was singlets were safer than the shorts for risk of potential injury.  Now you brought up the compression style outer shorts, instead of the cage fighter shorts, that IMO does decrease the risk of potential injury due to their conformity to the body as long as there is not a significant difference in the material to a singlet.  

     

    This leads me to a question, is the issue with singlets the tightness and conformity, or overall appearance?  

     

     

     

    I just cant buy safety as a primary reason why people are against it.  I'm all for keep the kids safe, but this seems silly.  Are these same people opposed to lightweight mats vs the resilite mats?  I'm sure those same "professionals" would agree the old style mats are safer.  Was that decision put to a vote?  

    Also, you mentioned there is a small difference between practice and live tournaments...I'd argue the difference is huge.  In live tournaments, you have a referee watching the matches.  If and when a kid gets tangled up in a bad position (happens all the time now in singlets), the ref's job is to stop the match.  Most live go's in a practice room are like the Wild Wild West!  There is very little supervision with kids wrestling wearing whatever they want.  Are we going to vote on practice attire too? 

    If a team thinks it could help improve their #'s, then they should be permitted to do so.  I don't see why it should even come to a vote.  

     

     

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    1 hour ago, plantmanky1 said:

    After speaking with about 30 trainers and half a dozen medical professionals about potential injury risk and their thoughts, I will be voting singlets only at both levels. 

    I've seen a finger get dislocated after getting caught in a shirt (once), but no other injuries due to clothing in over 30 years of being on the mats.  If it's unsafe to wear fighter shorts and compression shirts at tournaments, then why in the heck do we allow kids to wear whatever in the practice room (hoodies, sweats, etc.) where most of the wrestling occurs?  

    I believe this is a no-brainer.  Kids should have the option to wear either.  I've had dozens of youth kids choose not to wrestle in tournaments or quit because of singlets.  It is clearly impacting participation.  I haven't heard of a good argument against it.

     

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    Be a part of celebrating Coach Badida’s retirement and honoring an incredible person both on and off the mat. We’ll have a great time with old and new friends. All proceeds go to the purchase of the new mats for Conner Wrestling.

    Boone Links Golf Course
    19 Clubhouse Drive
    Florence, KY 41042

    Sunday, June 26th, 2016
    Registration begins at 11:00pm
    Lunch served 12-12:30
    Shotgun start at 1:30pm
    Awards Ceremony follows
    Enjoy 18 holes of golf (including cart), door prizes
    for each player and an exciting awards banquet, and lunch. All for just $300 a 4-man team or $75 a player

    • Putting challenge on the practice green
    • Longest drive contests
    • Closest to the pin challenges
    • All proceeds go to Conner High School Wrestling
    • All individual players will be grouped into 4 man teams

     

    There will be an awards presentation To help us properly plan for this event, please pre-register by emailing Stan Martin at Stan@trunniontable.com by June 17th.  Payments for this event will be made by CHECK or CASH ONLY. Please make checks payable to CONNER WRESTLING. You can bring checks the day of the even or mail to
    Martin Manufacturing
    602 Main Street
    Elsmere, KY 41018
    For more information contact Stan Martin at 859-866-3370 or stan@trunniontable.com

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    Be a part of celebrating Coach Badida’s retirement and honoring an incredible person both on and off the mat. We’ll have a great time with old and new friends. All proceeds go to the purchase of the new mats for Conner Wrestling.

    Boone Links Golf Course
    19 Clubhouse Drive
    Florence, KY 41042

    Sunday, June 26th, 2016
    Registration begins at 11:00pm
    Lunch served 12-12:30
    Shotgun start at 1:30pm
    Awards Ceremony follows
    Enjoy 18 holes of golf (including cart), door prizes
    for each player and an exciting awards banquet, and lunch. All for just $300 a 4-man team or $75 a player

    • Putting challenge on the practice green
    • Longest drive contests
    • Closest to the pin challenges
    • All proceeds go to Conner High School Wrestling
    • All individual players will be grouped into 4 man teams

     

    There will be an awards presentation To help us properly plan for this event, please pre-register by emailing Stan Martin at Stan@trunniontable.com by June 17th.  Payments for this event will be made by CHECK or CASH ONLY. Please make checks payable to CONNER WRESTLING. You can bring checks the day of the even or mail to
    Martin Manufacturing
    602 Main Street
    Elsmere, KY 41018
    For more information contact Stan Martin at 859-866-3370 or stan@trunniontable.com