MLee
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19 minutes ago, DrBaker said:What’s the story on Everman?
He was an absolute monster. He pinned the defending state champion (David Donnelly) in the state finals in the 1st period (I believe) as a Sophomore. The next year, he pinned a young man by the name of Pat Martz in 17 seconds at Districts. Missed weight at Regionals and never wrestled again. Martz went on to win his 1st of 3 state championships that year.
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That was a lot harder than I thought. I probably gave the old heads way too much credit. Reality is, new generation would open a can on those 80’s and 90’s guys.
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98- Jeff Everman
103-Joe Carr JR.
112-David Ritchie
119-Kyle Ruschell
125-John Fahy
130-Brock Irvin
135-Dave Barnes
140-Issac Knable
145-Jerod Trice
152-Willie Ennels
160-Harrison Courtney
171-Tendai Charasika
189-Miguel Merritt
215-Austin Meyers
HWT-Bruce Stepp
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Want to make this topic really interesting, list your GOAT per weight class. Would need Ranger to set the weight classes.
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Robbie Clarkston- 4x state champ + a runner-up as an 8th grader.
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Try facing 16 year old 8th graders with 13 year old 8th graders for a state football championship! It looks so wrong. Still don't know how we won that one.
Good luck wrestlers!
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I’d be more concerned about participation than the format. Based on Track’s #’s, we had a decrease of almost 20% this year vs last year. I recall a season of 1200+ youth only kids. This year we had under 1000 and that includes 200+ MS aged kids.
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3 hours ago, Ranger123 said:Was just thinking about that a few weeks ago. That bracket was darn good. Guess I need to give my kid a little pat on the back for that one.
Interesting concept though. What state brackets ended with the most individual state champs in it? Go back in history. GOO what do you have?
Probably needs it’s own topic..
103 in 1990 had 6 state champs in a 16 Man bracket: Tom Storms, Steve Kaiser, Brad Irvin, Branden Wilkins, James Elliot, Pat White.
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Bryan Peace from Ryle won 5.
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46 minutes ago, BootsN said:Congratulations to Mason whom captured his 5th Regional Championship! What an outstanding accomplishment. Does anyone know of any other 5 time Regional Champs?
Congrats Mason!
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Thomas over Peace (106).
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6 hours ago, Ranger123 said:AfI think it shows relative to where you were placed in the bracket how did you perform. Do I think Spalding is an 8? No way. I expected him to win it. But going in he was the "3" at best and getting that 8 draw the odds are stacked against you making the finals.
As for a report using Dukes rankings really just shows how well HE ranked certain teams. The teams and kids he knows well he likely nailed. But some of those teams and kids who are never seen or have results reported probably make him look bad.
I guess I don’t see the correlation between how well you perform and this data. It drastically rewards the Regional losers too much for it to make any sense.
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1 hour ago, Ranger123 said:Not a perfect metric because as mentioned we don't seed all 16, but I would say the way our bracket fills out the seeds probably aren't totally off. Example:
at 86 Moore was the #1, Johnson #2, Begley #3, Roe #4. Messerly was Region runner up to Moore and went to the #6 spot. Fortier was runner up to Johnson and went to the #5. Gilbert was runner up to Begley and went to the #8. Mattingly was runner up to Roe and went to the #7 spot.
WV points on this report:
70 Meyer seeded 6 finished 4 = +2
75 Anderson seeded 8 finished 4 = +4
80 Spalding seeded 8 finished 2 = +6
86 Moore seeded 1 finished 1 = 0
105 Thornton seeded 3 finished 2 = +1
113 Beane seeded 6 finished 1 = +5
152 Freeman seeded 3 finished 4 = -1
190 Watson seeded 12 finished 3 = +9
It is cool to look at, but what does it actually show? Using your WV #’s, I don’t think anyone would consider Spalding an 8 seed, would you? Skews the #’s quite a bit when top 2 or 3 are in the same region.
Same report using Duke’s rankings would be interesting.
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Cool report. Not sure exactly what to take from it.
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17 hours ago, REscalera said:Congrats to all the new middle school state champs and state placers. Also congrats to McCraken on their team title. Must admit that I'm really looking forward to the growing rivalry between McCraken and Ryle. Both have done a great job developing their youth programs and they obviously have buy-in from both the wrestlers and their parents. Great job!!!!
Also, kudos to Kolby Koepp for being a bracket buster. He was the lowest ranked (#6) state champ. He beat #5,#2 and #1 on his way to the 130lb title.
Koepp had a great tournament. Certainly had the upset of the tournament over Fletcher. McCracken should change their names to the McCradle’s! Their cradles were given the rest of KY fits all day. Congrats to their team!
Congrats to Ryle and their staff. Not easy winning State Duals and a team State Title w/ a few missing peices, including last year’s MOW. 1st year wrestlers did great, including a 3rd at HWT. Nicely done!
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19 hours ago, REscalera said:I’m not going to mention any kid by name. I just don’t think it’s appropriate.
With that stated, I can assure you the circumstances of that dual dictated who was waking on the mat. If it came down to the 70 lb match, we all know who would have wrestled. Ryle and McCracken both showed up guns-a-blazing to win. They both wrestled great and should be commended for showing up and competing, unlike many other programs.
As mentioned, comparing dual meet strategy and unsportsmanlike behavior are on different stratospheres.
From what I recall, the rules state the “board” decides the punishment. Forgive me in advance if I’m wrong, but if I’m not...it’s a double standard.
For the record, I don’t propose the coach/board member should be banned. I’m sure he’s apologetic and learned from his mistake. With my limited dealings w/ him, I can say he’s a solid guy that is great for KY wrestling.
But if he’s gets a pass then I think the 14 year old deserves one as well.
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46 minutes ago, REscalera said:Not so obvious but maybe that's because it's me and I often miss the obvious hehe. For us slow folk out in western KY can you please not speak in code?
Sure. A coach (and current board member) was kicked out of state duals for poor sportsmanship.
Per the discussion here, a wrestler was kicked out of Regionals for poor sportsmanship during the 3rd/4th place match. He cannot participate in the state tournament.
If we are going to prevent a young wrestler from participating in the state tournament for being kicked out of Regionals, shouldn’t a coach/board member have the same punishment?
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16 minutes ago, Chris Duke said:Two different events. Just hope we don’t see double standards. If we are going to punish a 14 year old for making a bad decision in a regional placement match a parent shouldn’t get a pass.
Anyone know if the kid was kicked out of state by his coach or was is it a decision made by the board?
I think it’s obvious where I’m going w/ this.
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34 minutes ago, Braves coach said:Congratulations to Ryle Raiders today. Took first with commanding wins.
Thank you to Tyler and his crew. They put on a really good event.
We did see some poor sportsmanship from a coach. Not the message we want for our young athletes but the referee did a good job removing him from the competition.
Especially when the knucklehead is the president of the youth. Very embarrassing.
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12 hours ago, Chris Duke said:We finally have weight classes. With only 1 week of updates left I changed it up this week. I listed my top 10 for each weight class. If a wrestler is listed they finished top 4 in their region.
With Ryle's results at regionals they pulled ahead of Walton. Walton drops a spot to #3 behind Carr. The Raiders had a strong showing with 8 Regional Champions, qualifying 23 wrestlers, and 3 alternates.
Shout out to Coach Ruschell and his coaching staff. That was an incredible showing over the weekend. Great job running the tournament too!
Scary to think what that team would look like with Duke, Belk, and Colemire all wrestling this season!
Good luck Raiders!
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On 1/17/2018 at 11:48 PM, Nike Man said: -
I took a quick look at last year's 70 lb MS bracket. I found 5 kids that qualified for MS State and wrestled in the Youth State Tournament (may have missed others). Here is how they placed in their Youth State weight classes: 1, 2, 2, 3, DNP. Does that look like they "dominated" the youth tournament? Absolutely not. Some of those losses came by youth kids w/ no MS experience.
The notion that they have "graduated" from youth by qualifying for the MS State tournament is absolutely asinine.
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8 hours ago, Nike Man said:MLee, the first quote of mine that you used clearly stated that, “I agree that just simply qualifying for the Middle School State Tournament shouldn’t necessarily disqualify you. Placers seem reasonable.”
Does that seem right to me, yes.
Sorry, I couldn't read past that "this rule absolutely helps our growth" statement.
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1 hour ago, Nike Man said:Look guys, I don’t have a dog in the fight. I have simply just been involved for a long time. I have seen growth throughout the state and I am proud of that. We (KY), do a lot of bickering back and forth for the wrong reasons. We are lucky to allow youth to wrestle middle school and middle school to wrestle high school. I don’t for a second take what these kids have accomplished lightly. All I am saying is, why would you as a coach or parent want a kid that has had success on a higher level, drop down to dominate a lower level. Did H. Courtney, C. Lewis, C. Yost, etc. drop down their 8th grade year to win a middle school State Championship? Of course not. What does that prove when you have already proved that you can go on a higher lever? Does this not cross over into the youth and middle school level too? I agree that just simply qualifying for the Middle School State Tournament shouldn’t necessarily disqualify you. Placers seem reasonable. If I am “wrong”, that’s ok. It wouldn’t be the first time. Haha. I am just expressing my opinion and how we advise our kids. Just because someone has an opinion that’s different than yours doesn’t mean that they are wrong, just means they have an opinion that you disagree with. If we all thought the same way, we’d all be robots. Right?
3 hours ago, Nike Man said:This rule absolutely helps our growth. For years we have had middle school qualifiers and placers beating kids at the youth level. Why? It makes zero since. If these kids have already had success at a higher level, why would we let them regress to a lower age level. Obviously if they are qualifying for the middle school State Tournament, they are not being challenged at the youth level regularly. 10 years ago, I may have agreed with your statement. But we are growing! These are good problems! Eventually, youth State has to have a qualifier. Eventually, Middle School has to have a cutoff age wiseS Eventually, we will reach the competitive level of other states.
Referencing super stud HS kids isn’t a fair comparison.
We’ll probably see a 4th grader go 0-2 in the MS State tournament this year. That kid won’t be permitted to wrestle in the Youth state tournament. Does that seem right to you?
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Boston should be in there somewhere. I wanted Brad Cooper as well, but already had 2 Pioneers. Almost put Storms at 103 just to watch your head explode.
I never seen Ritchie wrestle, but heard he was in a class of his own.