CoachJ

How about that 170 Bracket. 1, 2, and 3 are still left then the next highest ranked kid is 13. Marksberry who is on the same side of the bracket.

First round is now posted on KHSAA.org

Updates have dried up? Do we need to start paying for them? Wish the would post the first round already.

I grew up in Minnesota where you can wrestle up and as an 8th Grader I wrestled varsity at 103 (I actually had to eat to make weight with an 88 pound minimum). My parents were worried at first but I had been wrestling since 1st grade so I actually had a lot more experience than most of the kids I wrestled. I didn’t have a great record because of my size but was able to hold my own. Because of this experience I will always side on the Middle School kids being allowed to wrestle up. Most of the best programs don’t need MS kids because they are 3-4 deep at most weight classes and great wrestlers often have very good wrestlers pushing them at practice and will take their spot if they slack off. Mark Hall is of course the exception rather than the norm. Kentucky however is nowhere close to a top notch wrestling state and anything Kentucky can do to keep the sport growing should be done. As Givemethatdouble pointed out that unlike football and Soccer weight classes keep things fair between a 7th grader and a senior. I will also throw out that my wife is a Certified Athletic Trainer and said a MS kid doesn’t have any greater chance to get injured wrestling at the HS level. In fact A study published in the American Journal of Sports Medicine states: The most commonly injured areas were the shoulder (24%) and knee (17%). Injured wrestlers were an average of 5 months older and had a 32% higher experience level than noninjured wrestlers. Wrestlers with ligamentous laxity suffered fewer shoulder injuries than the other wrestlers. The majority of injuries occurred in practice (63%), although the injury rate was higher in match competitions. Sixty-eight percent of practice injuries occurred during hard wrestling, 23% during drills, and 9% during conditioning. The most common wrestling situation resulting in injury was the takedown position (68%). Our results show that the older and more experienced wrestler may be at greater risk of injury. Hard wrestling during practice and the takedown position resulted in the highest occurrence of injury. http://ajs.sagepub.com/content/28/4/509.abstract If they can earn the spot let them wrestle. If you can’t beat them work harder.

Just a quick story that happened to me this weekend. Although only a part of the story relates to the topic I thought it would fit on this thread. I am a Chicago Bears fan and had tickets to the Monday night game against the Vikings. Last Friday I flew to Madison, WI to meet my brother (Viking Fan) and drive to Minnesota. On the way I had a connecting flight in Cincinnati. As I boarded the plane to Madison I saw that the person I would be sitting next too was Bret Bielema, the University of Wisconsin head football coach. We had a nice little conversation during which I made it a point to ask if he liked his recruits to wrestle. His answer went something like this (not an exact quote): I am indifferent when it comes to some of the positions like wide receiver but I really like when my linemen wrestle. My one concern is the extreme weight cutting that some kids do. Then he said wrestling was his first love. I told him many states now have a weight loss program that prevents some of the excessive cutting and he seemed pleased by this. The rest of the conversation is not important to this post so I won't go in to detail other than to say he is a nice guy and made for a pleasureable flight on top of a great, but cold, football game.

Before I start with the message I intended to write when I logged on I would like to wish Jake a successful recovery. I was shocked and saddened when I logged on and learned of the news and I hope everything turns out ok. I have only been around Kentucky wrestling for the last two years but I am going to miss not being around it this year. For this reason I wanted to log on and take the time to wish everybody good luck, even Woodford, and an injury free season. I hope everybody has a successful season and has a little fun doing it

He was just the rejected prototype. Great at wrestling rankings but fell a little short on the battle simulations. We have since moved on to Ranger 2.0

Ok, let me say first that I am a Certified Athletic Trainer. Coach J is my better half and I am using his account to answer this question. Ok that said, there are some things that need to mentioned here. I don't know the specifics of the original post but I seriously doubt that a ATC would recommend non participation without a valid reason. The welfare of the athlete is ALWAYS the goal of the ATC. ATCs can make return to participation decisions especially in a acute injury situation. Because this could be a situation where a specialist (orthopedic surgeon, neurologist, etc) has stated that the athlete cant participate and the ATC knows that. Until the specialist releases the athlete, the athlete cant participate. If no specialist is involved and two physicians clear the individual that releases the school and trainer from liability as long as the parents agree with the participation in writing. ATCs are not at the schools to keep kids from participating. They are there to keep them safe.

I'll say it to give Ranger a break. The rankings are based on the state tournament only. Each rank from 1-24 has a point value associated with it based on how many points that person will score on average. Ranger does not pick the teams he just ranks the kids and then adds up the points. For example at the WCI if the top two kids are #1 from team A and #8 from Team B and they finish 1-2 the #1 kid will only score about 4-10 more points. At state assuming they finish 1st and 8th the difference will be about 12-20. You also have to take into account that there still people dropping weight and people out nursing injuries.

Both Minnesota and Wisconsin have state dual meet Tournaments. I also know MN duals are the same weekend as state. as an example. Morning session Class I duals Class II individual evening Class I individual Class II duals This makes state three days long and a few kids wrestle in both but they have been doing this for years and it has seemed to work.

I have a full set of the brackets scanned into the computer but at this time it will not let me attach the file even though its only about 800kb

Since I was on the mat during the Holtsclaw match I will offer my opinion which is the same as CGD78 and Ranger. Although I tried to lobby to get all three calls which any coach would do I have no major disagreement with any of the calls during that match. Furthermore I am extremely happy that Wade didn't let it get him down. He kept attacking and won the match. I will also say that I think the last second reversal call on Goodwine was correct. The only possible complaint I might have is Vince Staten did the same thing 3 times in a row but only got two cautions. I will assume that since it was close the official gave him the benefit of the doubt since it would have cost him a point in a double overtime match and as long as an official is consistent with doing that I am not that upset.

To say the officials were bad because of one call you disagreed with lacks a little common sense. I did not see the match or call you are talking about however I will say this. Even if it was a bad call everybody makes mistakes. I will also say that miles didn't win the match because of the call. He won because he got the takedown in OT. If an official makes a bad call, which happens even with the best, it is the wrestlers responsibility to get over it immediately and come back and do whatever it takes to win the match. If a wrestler lets the call defeat him mentally then the match is already over.

Travis lost to Hutchinson in the Semi Finals by dec but I don't know the actual score.

Final Team Scores Woodford 233 Seneca 215 John Hardin 180 South Oldham 171 Henry Clay 135.5 Oldham Co 133 Franklin(KY) 118 Corydon Central 110 Scott 103.5 McCreary Central 102.5 Franklin(OH) 97.5 Southern 93.5 PRP 78 Eastern 71 Anderson 61.5 Fern Creek 59.5 Bullitt Central 56.5 Bourbon Co 47 Bryan Station 46 Manual 45 Western Hills 31.5 Woodford Gold 28 MOW Hildenbrand

The list I have shows the following teams Anderson Co Bullitt Central Eastern Franklin Co John Hardin Manual Corydon Central, IN Oldham Co Scott High South Oldham Montgomery Co Woodford Gold Doss Bryan Station Fern Creek Franklin High, OH Dunbar McCreary Co Henry Clay Lawrence Co Larue Co (being reported that they aren't going so this is prob a mistake) Bourbon County Pleasure Ridge Park Seneca Southern Woodford Black Westland High School, OH Lafayette Western Hills Fort Knox???

No file attachment Ranger?

For the 3-way tie the coaches agreed to modify the head to head criteria for dual meets. Criteria A was most wins against both teams which was Harrison 16, Oldham County 13, John Hardin 13. Criteria B was most 6 point wins and Oldham County had 9 while John Hardin only had 7.

I wrestled against Brandon HS several times. I hope my ugly mug wasn't on the program. My matchs against Dennis Kitko or the Taber twins didn't go very well.

The following information is from NCAA documentation http://www1.ncaa.org/membership/champadmin/wrestling/2007-08/MEMDIQualAllocations2008.pdf?ObjectID=52110&ViewMode=0&PreviewState=0 Wild Card Policy. The following wild card policy has been adopted for the 2007 championships: The champion in each of the 10 weight classes at each qualifying tournament shall automatically qualify for the national championships. Each conference or regional qualifying tournament with 20 or more qualifiers will have two wild card options. Option A is full flights of 10 qualifiers, plus the remaining wild cards. Option B is determined by subtracting the number of qualifiers in full flights (e.g., champions, second-place finishers, third-place finishers, etc.) from the total number of qualifiers allocated, and then adding 10. Each head wrestling coach at the qualifying tournament will have a vote on the option that is selected. If the vote is tied, Option A shall be automatically used. Wild card qualifiers are required to have placed at least within three positions of the selected option

Yes if that was the case then one of the top 6 wouldn't get to go however if you get 5th in the sectional that means you lost twice. Yes I know the 4th place finisher loses twice too but not everybody can go to state. You have to draw the line somewhere. No matter how you align the schools there will be some kids that don't make it. There is not one bracket this year where the top 32 kids all made it. Even if Ranger's rankings were 100% correct, instead of his average of 98.5493% correct, there would be almost no chance that everybody in the top 32 would qualify. With the number of programs in Kentucky I am willing to bet that there are some weight classes where half of the kids or more qualify for state. Although it gives a lot of kids a sense of accomplishment it also at the same time takes away the value of that accomplishment. That

I think Kentucky should go back to three post season tournaments. Keep the regions as they are or redraw them as appropriate. Top 4 from region still advance but to a sectional instead. Each region would combine with another region for the sectional. #1 from one region would wrestle #4 from the other region and so on with the top 4 qualifying for state. State would then be a 16 man bracket. Seed the four sectional champs and put each of the second placers on the opposite side of the bracket. This would give kids the same opportunity to advance in the post season for accomplishment purposes. It would make state a better tournament and a better sense of accomplishment for making it. It would also tend to keep the two best wrestlers on the opposite side of the bracket. At the same time I think KHSAA should sanction the dual meet tournament and include it on the same weekend as the individual state. This would bring in any loss of revenue from changing to a 16 man bracket. The most any one kid would wrestle is 11 matches as opposed to the 8 possible now.

I am sure official results will be avaliable soon but I think I have them all correct. 103 1st Paden (LC) 5-1 Holtsclaw (JH) 3rd Jaggers (CH) 2:54 Waits (FK) 112 1st Terry (CH) 7-6 Thompson (LC) 3rd Murphy (JH) 2:31 Lilly (AC) 119 1st Lundy (JH) 16-1 Wilder (NH) 3rd Waits (FK) 7-3 Joseph (AC) 125 1st Murphy (JH) 6-3 Engle (CH) 3rd Rojas (LC) Med Def Glover (NH) 130 1st Johnson (JH) Forfeit Carmen (LC) 3rd Barrientos (FK) 4-2 Ward (CH) 135 1st Miller (LC) 15-3 Rivera (CH) 3rd Wallace (JH) 2:26 Jett (AC) 140 1st Erbele (CH) 19-5 Pitcher (JH) 3rd Hull (LC) 2:33 Beto (D) 145 1st Pile (NC) 16-0 Cox (LC) 3rd Jaggers (CH) 13-6 Malito (JH) 152 1st Webb (JH) 7-3 Jakes (LC) 3rd Haynes (NH) Forfeit Isaacs (AC) 160 1st Pitcher (JH) 5-3 OT Ray (LC) 3rd Longo (CH) 7-1 Thomas (NC) 171 1st Newsome (JH) 5-4 Wolfe (NH) 3rd Garcia (FK) 11-4 White (AC) 189 1st Jones (NH) 1:37 Lasley (CH) 3rd Williams (LC) 4-3 Schoonover (JH) 215 1st Frost (JH) 4:29 Hester (D) 3rd Livingstone (FK) 2:39 Haddix (AC) HWT 1st Bailey (FK) :46 Cotton (AC) 3rd Conder (NC) 2:45 Battle (CH) MOW Jamie Pile (NC) JH 250.5 LC 170 CH 162 AC 90 FK 90 NH 87.5 NC 54.5 D 30

Ok let me first start off by saying Sammy Isaacs is a very good wrestler and yes he did Tech Webb at the second round of region duals. I do however, feel that its worth pointing out that Isaacs lost to Dez Jakes the same day 5-3. I think Isaacs matches up well with Webb but I don't think drop off applies here. Also in defense of Webb I think it should be pointed out that the pin by Willett was an Offensive pin and one could argue that it was a very quick pin as the referee called it before he even got down to the mat. I am not sure of the exact score when it happened but it was not a close match at the time.

I like the idea of combining the two state tournaments into the same event. I know at least one state (Minnesota) does this. This gives more kids the opportunity to participate on the big stage. Although a majority of the wrestlers that will be at state duals will also be at state this year it might not be the same way as the state as a whole improves. Yes, it would be a risk to kids to wrestle both at the same time but then there is just as much chance for a kid to get hurt this weekend and be out for state as well. anyway attached is how Minnesota does there schedule as an example.