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    My 2 cents, because that's all its worth. 

    I like all the changes accept the (3) point takedown.

    I believe that it will develop one dimensional wrestlers. Takedown artists. 

    Some believe it will increase aggression. Maybe, but it also may increase defense.  Many may be reluctant to take an offensive shot when you may give up 3 points instead of 2. 

    I know college is doing this but these are elite athletes, I'm focusing on the average or below average wrestler who may become a defensive giant. 

    Now if you get hit with a throw you are down 7-0 instead of 5-0.  Techs will increase, maybe a tech should now be 18 instead of 15. 

    Just my 2 cents.  Lets get ready to wrestle next year and find out what happens. 

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    Looks like there are going to be a few major changes for next year. 

    Here is the link. 

    https://www.nfhs.org/articles/participants-now-inbounds-with-one-point-of-contact-in-high-school-wrestling/

    Minor changes: 

    1.  Officials will use a new signal for time out. 

    2.  Center 10 Foot circle is not optional.

    Change:

    1.  Wrestlers are still inbounds if one supporting point is in-bound. 

    Major Change:

    1. A takedown will now score (3)three points instead of (2) two

    2.  Near fall will consist of (2 count = 2 points) (3 count = 3 points) (4 count = 4 points.) 

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    just to set the record straight. NK state champions.

    Campbell 30-----Simon Kenton 27-----Ryle 23------Conner 20--------Bonne county 11-------Newport Catholic 11--------Scott 10--------Walton Verona 9---------Dixie 2-------Holmes 2----

    7 other schools with 0 (Brossart--Cooper--Cov Cath--Highlands--Holy Cross (Cov)--Lloyd--Newport) I believe these are all the school that have ever had wrestling in NKY. 

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    18 hours ago, halfhalfhalf said:

    I am working on a historical log for my team.

     

    Does anyone have the 145 to Hwt 1987 brackets? If so can you scan them and email them to me at coachshingler@gmail.com please

    Sorry been a little busy.  I do have the 87 complete bracket. The one I filled out while there, however I believe it is in a storage unit. 

    I already sorted out the information from it, if anyone else needs info from it.  (Qualifiers from that year and placers from that year.)

    Which leads me to my yearly plea.  If anyone has partial or completed brackets from 1964-1970, can I have a copy.  I have partials from each year and trying to piece together a full bracket if possible. (Even if you just have the names of the qualifiers from certain teams that will help) 

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    Looking at the new unsportman rule. (Celebrating) 

    This year there were 18 calls of unsportmanlike conduct in the state tourney. Only 1 that I know of was something other than celebrating. 

    Last year there were 3 tournaments to comprise the state tourney 2 semi-states and 1 final round. 0 calls for unsportmanlike conduct were called in the final round of wrestling. In the 2 semi-states there were a total of 9 calls for unsportmanlike. 1 biting and 1 coaches misconduct. 

    My question is this. Is the non celebrating rule really needed?  

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         I too was against the 32 man bracket.  KY had a 16 man bracket until 2002. The 32 man bracket has done wonders for KY wrestling.  At that point there were about 80 schools that had wrestling (Maybe less).  Since then we now have 133 schools with wrestling.  

         We have traded off good wrestling throughout the state tournament for having more participants in the state.  Kids who normally would not qualify for the state tournament now go and bring back that experience to their school.  It helps keep kids out and getting more kids involved in wrestling.  I was not a supporter of the 32 man tournament but the proof is in the pudding. From the 80's when I wrestled to the 2000 we only increased the number of teams by about 15.  From 2000 to 2024 we have increased the number of teams by about 50.

        Lets look at the number of teams competing in the state tournaments.  1964 (1st year of the state tournament) 5 teams competed. 1974:  47 teams 1984 50 teams. 1994 48 teams. 2004 66 teams.  2014 88 Teams.  2024 109 Teams. 

    Now I know these are just the teams who competed in the state tournament but it should correlate with the number of teams in the state. 

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    As have mentioned the before.  Did you see how track seeded the tournament during COVID.  NOT GOOD.  How do you compare wrestlers, when many wrestle out of state, or a different wt. class etc ect. Going by last years results makes very little sense to me. 

    Seeding the regional champs I can agree with.  But will that really change much.  Most of the problems happen with the 2nd and 3rd place finishers. Plus moving a kid up one spot or down one spot really doesn't matter much.  (I was one of those who probably would have moved up one if on the other side back in the stone age). I also don't want to see regional teams wrestling in the championship bracket before the semi-finals. Which may happen if you seed everyone regardless the placement at region. 

    On this one point KHSAA is NOT making a bad decision. 

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    8 hours ago, gator1 said:

    We already have all 3 of these requirements met for regional seeding the week before states.  This isn't anything new. 

    As for ducking, this is a poor reason to avoid seeding.  It's an unfortunate byproduct but will only work to the detriment of the teams that duck in the longterm. 

    If this was true then how was it that all wrestlers from a certain team only had about 5 matches when they went to the state tournament during COVID? What is the consequences? Look at track now do all teams have their events updated? 

    How do you seed when teams spend most of their season out of state like many of the Nky teams do?  Mostly because they don't want to travel 2 hours every weekend to wrestle in Lou and Lex. I know my parents and wrestlers love when we are in Ohio because they can sleep an extra hour and their family can make the short trip across the river. Not to mention the school enjoys the lower travel cost. 

    There are several reason I don't like the idea of seeding, most of which have already been mentioned. 

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    1 hour ago, DrBaker said:

    . Seeding the 8 regional champs will make it even worse. There are times the top 3 in a weight are in the same region.. 

    If top three are from same region then the champion would get the 1st seed then the other 2 would automatically be on the other side of the bracket and meet in the semi finals. All four qualifiers from a region are in separate quarter brackets. 

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    1 hour ago, 70s wrestler said:

    I agree with Elite training's post 100%. It's been a few years, but I saw the same running. Avoiding competition in KY MS. 

    However, this entire debate could be satisfied if we wrestled to true 2nd. 

    Wrestling a true second will do 2 things.  Require wrestling after the finals and take away from the excitement of the state finals. 

    Plus how fair is it for a kid who just lost a state final to wrestle again to get 2nd. 

    I am not a fan of true second. 

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    20 hours ago, gator1 said:

    So how can we get this changed?  It's not too late, and these kids deserved an opportunity for the fairest and most accurate outcome, even if it's a little more work for coaches.  I'd also like to see the best state finals possible, not a bunch of lopsided wins. 

    This is just silly.  Every sport at every level is looking for a champ in the playoffs, you still seed.

    1.  First thing that has to happen is that all results must be put in, and be put in relatively quickly along with updating the records portion of track.  

    2.  KHSAA must require this, and have consequences for not doing so like in other sports. 

    3.  A criteria must be set up that rewards who you wrestled and defeated. 

    4. This is my opinion.  But only the regional champions need to be seeded.  Even if the top 2 are from the same region they are on opposite ends of the bracket and reduces skewed results. Then 1 vs 4 and 2 Vs 3 from other regions. 

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    Why would the seed draw affect the rankings?  The rankings are determined by results. Truthfully the rankings will sort themselves out in the next few weeks by the outcome of the state tournament.  Rankings are not used for seeding, and as far as I know they are not seeding the state tournament. Unless someone knows something I don't. (Which is very likely)

    As my wife tells me ignorance is bliss and I am very blissful. :huh:

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    1 hour ago, Ranger123 said:

    We got a message a week or so ago.  I thought Teater posted on here as well. 

    Region 1 = Boys Region 1 + Boys Region 2, Region 2 = Boys Region 3 + Boys Region 4, Region 3 = Boys Region 5 + Boys Region 6, Region 4 = Boys Region 7 + Boys Region 8

    Our region will be at Bryan Station

    Dang I must have missed it.  Is the tourney a 1 or 2 day tourney.  Do we have any info on it yet (Flyer)?