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Thanks to all the teams that attended. Sorry we didn't reach our goal of getting out early but we finished at about 6:30.

Am I seeing this correctly? Is there no Ervin in the rankings this year? The last time there was not an Ervin in the state tournament was 2002. Since 1977 there has been at least one Ervin at the Wrestling state tournament except in the years. 1978, 79, 83,84,86,87,88,89,95,96,97,98,99,00,01,02. There are team that have not had as few years without a wrestler at the state tournament.

In 1989 Trinity won the team title without a state champion. 3 runner ups and 7 total placers. 131.5 points (13 Weight classes) in 1990 Trinity had 3 state champions with 7 total placers scored 136 points and was second to Campbell 158 pts, with 1 state champion and 10 total placers. (13 Wt classes) The next closest team in 1990 had 91 pts.

Is there a way to remove last years tournaments? It would be nice to have this years tournaments only on the form. Coaches can then update the new year dates.

I would say that 157 is 3 deep (Rider, McKune, and Kubwinama) 190 is 4 deep (Virzi, Kiser, Price, Powell) 215 is 3 deep (Silva, Mooney, McCoy) Hwt is 3 deep (Guilaume, Whitehead, Adams) Not what your fishing for????

I was looking at the one under football.

looks like Cov Cath's numbers for boys according to KHSAA is 590. They would be in 2A section 2 according to these numbers. (They are currently in 1A section 3) 1A section 3 (number of boys) Desales 341----Shawnee 302-----Western----438----Holmes 445-----Newport 212-----Walton 259 could not find numbers for KSB or WEB Dubois, 2A section (2 number of boys) Bourbon 437---East Jessamine 551----Grant 599---Harrison Co 472----HIghlands 486---Scott 498

Yep I missed that one. I always think he was a 4 timer. lol.

I would say the one wrestler who was NOT a state champion that deserves a nod is Dion Washington (1990-1993) 4X placer (5th Freshman year at HWT) 3X (HWT) runner up.

These are the guys who won state 3X and placer 4 or more times 3X David Richey, 1984 (105), 1985 (112), 1986 (112) (MVW)--1983 3RD (98) 1982 3RD (98****-5X placer 5X top 3 3XPat Martz 1988 (103), 1990 (119) 1991 (125)—1989 2nd (112) ****4X Finalist 3X Willie Ennells 1989 (135), 1991 (152), 1992 (160)(MVW)---1988 5th (125), 1990 2nd (152)**** 5X Placer 4X Finalist 3X Livingston Merritt 1995 (215),1996 (215), 1997 (Hwt)---1994 3rd (189) 1993 4th (152), 1992 5th (140) ****6X Placer 4X top 3 5X top 4 3X Bruce Stepp 1992 (189), 1993 (189), 1994 (Hwt)(WVW)---1991 5th (189) ****4X placer 3X Tendi Charasika 1994 (160), 1995 (172), 1996 (171)—1993 5th (160) ****4X placer 3X Brad Cooper 2001 (119), 2002 (130), 2003 (135) ---2000 2nd (112) ****4X Finalist 3X Tyler Schearer 2004 (215), 2005 (215), 2006 (215)----2003 6th (215 ****4X placer 3X Caleb Ervin 2009 (130), 2010 (140), 2011 (152)(MVW)--2008 2nd (130****4X Finalist 3X Travis Sullivan 2005 (103), 2006 (103), 2007 (112)---2008 2nd (112)****4X Finalist 3X Jeff Fitch 1972 (138), 1973 (145)(MVW), 1974 (155)(MWV)----1971 3rd (126 ****4X top 3 3X Ian Horn 1996 (145), 1997 (152), 1998 (160) (MVW)---1995 6th (151), 1994 5th (140****5X Placer 3X Chris Dunn 1997 (125), 1998 (135), 1999 (135)---1996 3rd (119) 4X top 3 3X Richard Starks 2004 (171), 2005 (189) 2006 (189), 2003 2nd (171) ****4X Finalist Just using the stats I would say all the 4X state champs (6) and..... Livingston Merritt (6X Placer 4X top 3 5X top 4) Willie Ennells (5X Placer 4X Finalist) David Rickey (5X top 3) Ian Horn (5X Placer) Just my 2 cents worth

I honestly believe that all six of the 4 time state champions should be in the Hall of Fame. You can't get much better than that. (Yea I know Brock did it 5 X). It would not be the Hall of Fame without those automatically being in the 1st class.

If it is not in the Bermuda triangle of Louisville, Lexington, Frankfort then it will not be considered. (Under the guise of not being central).

Ok I went through the records this is what I found. My list is divided by schools. I have 21 3X state champions and 6 4 time state champions. Boone 3X Doug Steger 1968 (103), 1969 (112), 1970 (115 Caldwell County 3X David Richey, 1984 (105), 1985 (112), 1986 (112) (MVW)--1983 3RD (98) 1982 3RD (98) Conner 4X Robbie Clarkston 1978 (112), 1979 (126), 1980 (138), 1981 (145) (MVW)—1977 2nd (98) 3XPat Martz 1988 (103), 1990 (119) 1991 (125)—1989 2nd (112) Henry Clay 3X Matt Zarth 2007 (119), 2008 (119), 2009 (119)--- State qualifier 2005, 2006 Hopkinsville 3X Mike Givins 1966 (112), 1967 (120), 1968 (133)---State qualifier in 1965. 3X Willie Ennells 1989 (135), 1991 (152), 1992 (160)(MVW)---1988 5th (125), 1990 2nd (152) 3X Livingston Merritt 1995 (215),1996 (215), 1997 (Hwt)---1994 3rd (189) 1993 4th (152), 1992 5th (140) 6 time state placer Kentucky School for the Blind 4X James Earl Hardin 1964 (154) (MVW), 1965 (165)(MWW), 1966 (165) (MVW), 1967 (165) Lawrence County 3X Jacob Murton 2004 (125)(MVW), 2005 (135), 2006 (135)(MVW) Martin County 3X Bruce Stepp 1992 (189), 1993 (189), 1994 (Hwt)(WVW)---1991 5th (189) Newport Catholic 3X Rick Barker 1973 (112), 1974 (119), 1975 (119) North Hardin 3X Jay Crawford 1966 (98), 1967 (112), 1968 (112) 3X Ed Brandon 1967 (145), 1968 (154)(MVW), 1969 (165)(MVW) St X 3X Tendi Charasika 1994 (160), 1995 (172), 1996 (171)—1993 5th (160) 4X Isaac Knable 1999 (112), 2000 (130), 2001 (140)(MVW), 2002 (145)(MVW) Simon Kenton 3X Brad Cooper 2001 (119), 2002 (130), 2003 (135) ---2000 2nd (112) South Oldham 3X Tyler Schearer 2004 (215), 2005 (215), 2006 (215)----2003 6th (215) Trinity (Lou) 4X John Jahy 2009 (103), 2010 (112), 2011 (125), 2012 (138)(MVW) Union County 3X Caleb Ervin 2009 (130), 2010 (140), 2011 (152)(MVW)--2008 2nd (130) Wayne County 3X Travis Sullivan 2005 (103), 2006 (103), 2007 (112)---2008 2nd (112) Woodford County 3X Jeff Fitch 1972 (138), 1973 (145)(MVW), 1974 (155)(MWV)----1971 3rd (126) 4X Joe Carr 1993 (103), 1995 (126), 1996 (140), 1997 (145)(MVW)---1994 2nd (119) 3X Ian Horn 1996 (145), 1997 (152), 1998 (160) (MVW)---1995 6th (151), 1994 5th (140) 3X Chris Dunn 1997 (125), 1998 (135), 1999 (135)---1996 3rd (119) 3X Richard Starks 2004 (171), 2005 (189) 2006 (189), 2003 2nd (171) 4X Harrison Courtney 2006 (145), 2007, (145), 2008 (145)(MVW), 2009 (160)---2005 3rd (130), 2004 8th (119)

I am pretty certain that no sport gives tickets to all head coaches if their team is not in the state tournament. Many of the high schools may pick up the tab for the passes, but no KHSAA. It would also be hard for me to believe that if a college coach requests tickets from KHSAA that they would be told they have to pay for them. I may be wrong. As for how they were treated. I have no idea what happened. The venue we have had the last 2 years is very tight. Restricting who can be on the actual floor seems reasonable to me. Now if we are talking about the dreaded Horse Park then there is plenty of room for college coaches to wander around the floor area.

I really like this post. I am one to agree with Nkawtg about the year round thing. But individuals have the right to make their own decisions on this. This event cannot occur on or after Oct 15th. It would then be an in-season event. Football starts on July 10 (Helmets) Baseball ends around June 17th. Kentucky dead period was June 25 through July 9th. That would only leave a small opening from June 18th to June 24th for no conflicts in Ky. I have no idea if something nationally is occurring during this time. I always thought this was just a preview event. Trying to get the top ranked kids to participate if they can. Something to get our juices flowing going into the season. I have been around for a very long time and have seen the sport grow tremendously, all due to people like Ranger who have put their own time in to make it grow. I personally have not attended this event (I barely have enough time to take care of my own business) but I follow to see the results. Take it for what it is. Try to improve it, try to promote it, try to attend it. Or just sit back and let it happen. Really doesn't matter which you do or don't do, in the end it only helps wrestling in the state of KY. Would be awesome if each area of the state held their own to make a culminating event at the end with all the winners.

We are with Holmes. We are looking for something within 2-3 hours from Northern Kentucky. I have looked on the tournament list and was hoping to see more events available.

Still looking for something Jan 28th. Anyone hosting and have an opening on this date?

What you may not realize is that the Bluegrass State Games is not just a wrestling tournament. It is an event that spans all of the sports. It is run by a central agency that promotes all sports for Kentuckians. To allow someone else to sponsor it would probably result in it leaving Ky. It is mainly just for Ky athletes. It is a great event my son went to it every year from 7th grade up. Promotion of the event is usually well done. I know in the past, several remote weight-ins were set up across the state to help allow not having to leave early for weigh-in. I try every year to get kids to participate in the event. It is well run and a nice event to attend.

1. Woodford County 276 2. Union County 221 3. Trinity 209 4. Campbell County 207 5. Saint Xavier 178 6. Hopkinsville 146 7 Simon Kenton 135 8. North Hardin 134 9. Christian County 131 10. Fern Creek 116 11. Ryle 113 12. Eastern 105 13. Larue County 101 14. Martin County 100 15. Oldham County 91 16. Johnson Central 90 17. Conner 88 17. Scott 88 19. Henry Clay 86 19. Seneca 86 21. Fort Campbell 83 22. Caldwell County 82 23. Wayne County 75 24. South Oldham 66 25. Harrison County 65 26. Laffayette 64 27. Waggener 61 28. Danville 55 29. Central Hardin 50 30. Fairdale 46 31. Boone County 44 32 Newport Catholic 43 33. Tates Creek 40 34 Walton Verona 39 35. John Hardin 37 35. Western 37 35. Franklin County 37 38. Paducah Tilghman 35 38 Pleasure Ridge Park 35 40. Moore 34 41. Fort Knox 32 41. Jeffersontown 32 42. Dixie 31 42. Flaget 31* 45. Paul Dunbar 29 45 North Oldham 29 47. Doss 25 48. Ballard 24 48. Kentucky School of the Blind 24 48. Westport 24* 51. Boyle 23 51. McCreary Central 23 51. Valley 23 54. DeSales 21 54. Madison Central 21 56. Male 20 57. Central 19 57. Frankfort 19 57. Meade County 19 60. Anderson Co. 17 60. Ohio Co. 17 60. Saint Joseph 17* 63. Ashland Paul Blazer 16 63. Southern 16 63. Trigg County 16 66. Ahrens Trade 14* 67. Bourbon Co 13 67 Cooper 13 67. Millersburg Military Inst. 13 70. Kentucky Country Day 12 71. Bullitt Central 11 71. Montgomery County 11 71. Whitley County 11 74. Apollo 10 74. DuPont Manual 10 74. Holmes 10 74 University Heights 10 78. Newport 9 78. Perry County Central 9 80. Bryan Station 8 80. Nelson County 8 80. Taylor County 8 83. Henderson Co. 7 83. Iroquois 7 85. Calloway County 6 85. Webster County 6 85. West Hardin 6* 88. Jessamine County 5* 88. Lawrence Co 5 88. Madison Southern 5 88. McCracken County 5 88. Prestonburg 5 93. Bullit East 4 93. East Hardin 4* 93. Pike County Central 4 96. Aquinas Prep 3* 96. Belfry 3 96. Grant County 3 96. Letcher County Central 3 96. Western Hills 3 101. Atherton 2 101. Daviess County 2 101. Durrett 2* 101. East Carter 2 101. Lexington Catholic 2 101. Owensboro 2 101. Shawnee 2 108. Bowling Green 1 108. Boyd 1 108. Corbin 1 108. Covington Catholic 1 108. Frederick Douglass 1 108. Graves County 1 108 Great Crossing 1 108. Greenville 1* 108. Hancock 1 108. Holy Cross (Cov) 1 108. Holy Cross (Lou) 1 108. Lexington. Country Day 1* 108. Onieda Baptist 1 108. Pikeville 1 108. Scott County 1 108. Spencer County 1 108. Stuart 1* 108. Thomas Jefferson 1* 108. West Jessamine 1 * NO LONGER A TEAM

Update 5/12/2022 1 Woodford County 280 2 Union County 231 3 Trinity 213 4 Campbell County 211 5 Saint Xavier 183 6 Hopkinsville 146 7 Simon Kenton 137 8 North Hardin 136 9 Christian County 131 10 Ryle 121 11 Fern Creek 116 12 Eastern 105 13 Larue County 104 14 Marian County 100 14 Johnson Central 100 16 Oldham County 95 17 Scott 89 18 Conner 88 19 Caldwell County 87 20 Henry Clay 86 20 Seneca 86 22 Fort Campbell 83 23 Wayne County 75 24 Harrison County 67 25 South Oldham 66 25 Lafayette 66 27 Waggener 61 28 Danville 55 29 Central Hardin 50 30 Fairdale 46 31 Boone County 44 32 Newport Catholic 43 33 Walton Verona 42 34 Paducah Tilghman 41 35 Tates Creek 40 35 John Hardin 40 37 Western 37 37 Franklin County 37 39 Moore 36 40 Pleasure Ridge Park 35 41 Fort Knox 32 41 Jeffersontown 32 43 Dixie 31 43 Flaget 31 * 45 Paul Dunbar 29 45 North Oldham 29 47 Doss 25 48 Ballard 24 48 Kentucky School of the Blind 24 48 Westport 24 * 48 Valley 24 48 Boyle 24 53 Madison Central 23 53 McCreary Central 23 55 DeSales 21 56 Meade County 20 56 Male 20 58 Frankfort 19 58 Central 19 60 Saint Joseph 17 * 60 Ohio Co. 17 60 Anderson Co. 17 63 Southern 16 63 Trigg County 16 63 Ashland Paul Blazer 16 66 Ahrens Trade 14 * 67 Cooper 13 67 Millersburg Military Inst. 13 * 67 Bourbon Co 13 70 Kentucky Country Day 12 71 Bullitt Central 11 71 Montgomery County 11 71 Whitley County 11 71 Holmes 11 75 Apollo 10 75 University Heights 10 75 DuPont Manual 10 75 Taylor County 10 79 Newport 9 79 Perry County Central 9 81 Bryan Station 8 81 Nelson County 8 83 Henderson Co. 7 83 Iroquois 7 83 Madison Southern 7 86 Webster County 6 86 West Hardin 6 * 86 Calloway County 6 89 Jessamine County 5 * 89 Lawrence Co 5 89 McCracken County 5 89 Prestonsburg 5 93 East Hardin 4 * 93 Pike County Central 4 93 Bullitt East 4 96 Aquinas Prep 3 * 96 Belfry 3 96 Grant County 3 96 Letcher County Central 3 96 Western Hills 3 101 Daviess County 2 101 Durrett 2 * 101 East Carter 2 101 Lexington Catholic 2 101 Owensboro 2 101 Shawnee 2 101 Atherton 2 108 Bowling Green 1 108 Boyd 1 108 Corbin 1 108 Covington Catholic 1 108 Frederick Douglass 1 108 Graves County 1 108 Great Crossing 1 108 Greenville 1 * 108 Hancock 1 108 Highlands 1 108 Holy Cross (Cov) 1 108 Holy Cross (Lou) 1 108 Lexington. Country Day 1 * 108 Oneida Baptist 1 108 Pikeville 1 108 Scott County 1 108 Spencer County 1 108 Stuart 1 * 108 Thomas Jefferson 1 * 108 West Jessamine 1 108 West Carter 1

1 Updated 5/12/2022 Trinity 549 2 Saint Xavier 526 3 Woodford County 524 4 Campbell County 446 5 Union County 433 6 North Hardin 386 7 Christian County 367 8 Fern Creek 353 9 Oldham County 344 10 Hopkinsville 329 11 Simon Kenton 325 12 Eastern 316 13 Harrison County 301 13 Seneca 301 15 Johnson Central 297 16 Fort Campbell 290 17 Larue County 287 18 Henry Clay 265 19 Caldwell County 264 19 Conner 264 21 Marian County 259 22 Fairdale 255 23 Scott 248 24 Central Hardin 247 25 Ryle 246 26 Pleasure Ridge Park 241 27 Wayne County 225 28 Lafayette 216 28 South Oldham 216 30 Tates Creek 214 31 Western 207 32 Moore 196 33 Danville 192 34 Central 188 35 Doss 177 35 Fort Knox 177 37 Valley 176 38 DeSales 161 39 Meade County 160 40 John Hardin 157 41 Waggener 154 42 Franklin County 148 43 Jeffersontown 142 44 Southern 141 45 Paducah Tilghman 139 46 North Oldham 128 47 Anderson County 127 47 Boone County 127 49 Ashland Paul Blazer 124 50 Dixie 121 51 McCreary Central 119 52 Paul Dunbar 112 53 Boyle County 103 54 Ohio County 99 55 DuPont Manual 98 56 Newport Catholic 94 57 Ballard 89 58 Bullitt Central 83 58 Madison Central 83 60 Walton Verona 82 61 Bryan Station 81 61 Male 81 63 Montgomery County 75 63 Perry County Central 75 65 Holmes 73 66 Whitley County 70 67 Westport 67 * 68 Kentucky School of the Blind 66 69 Flaget 65 * 70 Trigg County 64 71 Apollo 63 72 Bourbon County 62 73 Bullitt East 58 74 West Hardin 57 * 75 Newport 56 76 Frankfort 55 77 Calloway County 53 78 Iroquois 52 79 Cooper 50 79 Henderson County 50 79 Western Hills 50 82 Pike County Central 49 83 McCracken County 47 84 Belfry 44 84 Taylor County 44 86 Atherton 43 86 Daviess County 43 86 Nelson County 43 89 Millersburg Military Ins. 41 * 90 Kentucky Country Day 38 91 Letcher County Central 37 92 University Heights 36 93 East Hardin 35 * 93 Scott County 35 95 Saint Joseph 33 * 96 Madison Southern 32 97 Boyd County 30 97 Jessamine County 30 * 99 Webster County 26 100 Owensboro 24 100 Shawnee 24 102 Great Crossing 23 102 Pikeville 23 102 Spencer County 23 105 Lawrence County 22 106 Grant County 21 107 Holy Cross (Lou) 20 108 North Bullitt 19 108 Prestonsburg 19 110 Bowling Green 16 110 Frederick Douglass 16 112 Ahrens Trade 15 * 112 Bush 15 * 114 Bardstown 13 114 Durrett 13 * 114 Franklin Simpson 13 117 Covington Catholic 12 117 Stuart 12 * 117 West Carter 12 120 Middlesboro 10 121 Aquinas Prep 9 * 121 Corbin 9 123 East Carter 8 123 Holy Cross (Cov) 8 125 East Jassamine 7 125 Oneida Baptist 7 127 Thomas Jefferson 5 * 127 Trinity (Whitesville) 5 127 West Jessamine 5 130 Barren County 4 130 Phelps 4 131 Bell County 3 131 Bishop Brossart 3 131 East Ridge 3 131 Graves County 3 131 Knox County Central 3 136 Hancock 2 136 Lexington Catholic 2 136 Paintsville 2 136 Thomas Nelson 2 140 Breckinridge 1 140 Campbellsville 1 140 Fulton City 1 140 Green County 1 140 Greenup County 1 140 Greenville 1 * 140 Greenwood 1 140 Hart County 1 140 Highlands 1 140 Marshall County 1 140 Sayre 1 140 Todd County 1

Now that I have had time to do the statistics for 2022 state. First my impressions on this years state. 1. Still hate the Semi State set up. But I will have to live with it, it has been worse. 2. Not sure I liked the bracket set up SS1 #2 and SS1 #3 meeting before the semi’s. I think top four from each semi-state should be in separate quarter-brackets. 3. Did like the 2 semi-states and taking the top 8. 4. Not sure how I feel about the team points transferring or not transferring from semi-state to state. 5. Venue was not bad the big TV screens with the bouts on it was nice. 6. Having a warm up areas was nice (But needed a bout board in the warm up area) Now on to the nerd factor. (Statistics) Comparing Semi-state 1 and 2 It was interesting that both placed exactly 56 wrestlers each. SS 1 had 18 finalists to SS2 10 SS1 had 10 champions to SS2 4 SS1 outscored SS2 917 to 746 SS1 had 6 teams in the top 10 to SS1 4 Comparing Regions Team Points Placers Finalists Champions Top 10 Teams R1 419.5 R5 25 R1 9 R1 8 R5 3 R5 375 R1 23 R5 7 R5 2 R1 2 R4 200 R3 13 R3 4 R2 1 R3 2 R3 183 R6 12 R4 3 R3 1 R4 2 R8 156.5 R3 11 R2 2 R6 1 R8 1 R6 134 R8 11 R8 2 R8 1 R2 0 R2 114.5 R2 9 R6 1 R4 0 R6 0 R7 80.5 R7 8 R7 0 R7 0 R7 0 Sorry to steal part of your thunder Ranger

Long Saturdays are a huge problem. Commitment has a different meaning than most other sports. Wrestling is 6 days a week, every week to be competitive as a high school sport. Basketball and football mostly finish on Fridays. I am not sure what the answer is, but I know having super tournaments (12-18) teams every weekend is not the answer. Getting parents home before dinner is optimal. This is a new generation, everything needs to be shorter. A movie over 2 hours long is to long, a professional sporting event lasting over 2 hours is to long. We have to change with the times regardless of whether we like it or not.

Elite: Looking back at my post it may seem I am criticizing what you are doing. Not in any way am I doing that, keep doing what you are doing, you are helping at the top end. I am not saying we don't train elite kids. What I am saying we don't just focus all our efforts on them. If we don't increase the numbers in the wrestling room who are those elite wrestlers going to impact? It's the what came first game "The chicken or the egg". I think the egg. We must build up our middle class. Teams with several competitive kids on the team. We must have more kids so we have JV tournaments every weekend. JV state is awesome "Thanks Moore High school". We have built up our middle and Youth. Now we have to focus on building the numbers in the high school rooms. We have to get kids in the room even if they are half committed (High school sports are to get kids doing something for their school to keep them focused on school). We can work on this on both ends, but we need more on the lower end working harder. We still have a huge number of 1st generation wrestlers, parents who don't know how to motivate their kids. If this 1st generation is half committed then when they have kids who wrestle they will help make those kids fully committed. Everyone likes working with the elite kids, winning is fun. The problem is we don't have enough who are willing to work the lower end. On the surface it seems less rewarding but in the long run it is extremely rewarding. I thank the JV coach's all the time for getting them ready for the next level and suffering through the kids quitting and not giving their all. I don't think they know how much they help the sport move forward. All right I will get off my soap box. sorry.

This is something I have had a hard time understanding for a long time. So many people want to compare us to other states. Up here in Nky we unfairly compare ourselves to Ohio. WHY? I don't really care about what Ohio kids are like. I am only worried about KY. Ky has become such a have and have not wrestling community. We really do not have a middle class in wrestling. You have the Unions, Trinity's, Ryle's and the other elite programs. Then you have most other programs, with 6-10 wt classes filled, who may have 1 or 2 above average wrestlers on the team. Many are trying to get ahead of ourselves. Trying to make all our kids into national powerhouses. First we need to stabilize the programs we have and expand the number of programs. When these programs are regularly getting 10-14 wt. classes filled with competent wrestlers, then we can build the powerhouse kids. (Not filling wt. classes with 1st year kids just to fill a spot) This is why we need a 32 man bracket. So more kids are wrestling at the state tournament and get a taste of what it is like. Then they have a want and need to get better so they can place at the state. All this helps build programs up. Those that have been around a while will remember I was against the 32 man bracket at the beginning. I have seen the plus side of this. We have went from about 80-85 school programs to now about 110. I believe this is because of the 32 man bracket. I am not begrudging those who are trying to build nationally elite wrestlers, just remember, as a state we are not there yet. We are getting closer every year and I hope I am still around to at least see Ky wrestling considered a great state for wrestling. **As always these are the opinions of GOO nothing more nothing less. You can take them or leave them. In the grand scheme of things it really does not matter. GOO out