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Another Forum that should not be posted on here. I am quite certain that if there was anything going on with this it would have been investigated. This is however something that is not appropriate for discussion on this type of forum. I beg to have this topic removed

Miguell and Livingston Merritt (not sure if brothers) Hopkinsville 1995 Miguell 185 Livingston 215 Again 1996Miguell 189 Livingston 215

Cole Brothers 1983 132 Tom Cole 138 Troy Cole

My guess would probably be NO. If I were doing the rankings I also would NOT take the results from here. To be "official" you would need to get the results from the horses mouth (coaches) Once again I think that he(Coach Coomes) is doing the best he can with the OFFICIAL results that he is given. I think it is interesting seeing both rankings. I however realize that niether have all the results. KWCA only uses results passed in by the coaches. Rebel is using what are being turned in here. Wrestlers only turn in when they win (for the most part) both are flawed, and both have merit.

I find it appauling that you can not find the results to tournaments. Almost every tournament that you go to today is done on the computer. How difficult is it for the tournament director (coach of the home school) to send this information to the KWCA or to someone who will send the information out? Many times we have to rely on second hand information who sometimes don't have the information correct or does not have all the information. How wonderful would it be to be able to download the entire tournament onto your computer. Coaches and fans could then look this over anytime they wanted. It would also make Ranger's and Mr. Coomes (the one who makes the KWCA rankings) life so much easier. Just me ranting. I would like to see the results of the 5-star, TCI, Big East, WCI, Bourbon Bash, ect. ect. and not just the finals who placed who defeated who in the simi's.

Hey HHdad why wasn't Holmes there? Aren't they in Kenton Co?

you might be a wrestlign fanatic if: ............When you go to McDonalds you take the food home and weigh in with the food in your hand to make sure you will still make weight. .............Many years after you graduated you still refer yourself as a 103 pounder (your graduating wt class), even though you now weigh over 200 lbs.

If you sleep on your stomach, and when you roll over on your back you wake up in a bridge.

In Nky maybe the most underrated would be Ben Rust Campbell Co. 130 (placed 4th last year) losing to Parker and Theunerman. And defeating Marcus Coleman last years state. He also just took Peace to the wire.

Woodford I sure hope you are getting a big laugh out of all of this. You seem to be posting just to get under everyones skin. This is the type of stuff that we need monitored on this site. It has gotten out of hand the last week or two. It's only going to get worse as the regiona and state tourney gets closer.

What about the Stepps from Sheldon? Who of them were brothers Also what about the Merrits from Hoptown Also the Herrings from Hoptown. Not sure if they were brothers or cousins.

great decisions iceman. Looks to me that you went throgh all the steps. That was probably the correct line of effectiveness. If your school has a trainer go to that person 1st. After that go to a doctor or hospital. If at that point they say there is an injury then go to a sports doctor. This is the last step. A coach cannot override a doctors decision. I have heard of parents overriding a doctor before. This puts the coach in a difficult position. He/She holds the athlete out becuase of the doctor yet the parents say, we want him/her to participate.

Yes it's all about fun. That's why we come and talk. It'd fun to talk about your team or individual. Talk up your team as much as you want. I think this is a great thing, as long as it is not at the expense of another. It's one of the great things about wrestling. We battle it out on the mat, and when its all said and done we are one big family.

One of the lures of the state duals is that you will get 5 matches that day. If you only got 3 matches that day and drove 2-4 hours to get there might reduce the interest of teams attending. I think however having the last 4 teams on the floor at the end is a good idea. The other teams could leave if they want. No need to stay for trophies and such.

oops I told you I'd miss something

Monkeyroll: I don't think your giving any of the Nky boys any respect. A few you overlooked. Ben Rust (CC) 130 lost to Coleman 4-2 John Golsby (Hol) 140 defeated Coomer/ split with Sanders Brian Wilson (CC) 145 Defeated Aylor lost to Courney by a couple Reed (Ry) 171 (outside chance) Ashworth (Ry) 189 Can hang with Watson or Chaney One to watch out for Kyle Griffith (CC) 135 just returned from injury This month.

I think some call this the arm bar. Where they grab the wrist, put their head in bend of elbow. When the arm raises they sink in a half. Unless it's something different.

You cannot compare two wrestlers even if they wrestled the same person. There are many factors that go into matches. Different styles of wrestling. Look at Aylor last year. He won most of his matches by 2-4 points. He is a control wreslter and does not score many points. Sullivan is a pin wrestler. He does not score many points because he is trying for the one move for a pin. He rarely tilts for points. I have seen many times in the past where wrestler A and Wrestler B both defeated Wrestler C by a couple of points. But when Wrestler A and B wreslte. Wrestler A dominates the match and wins by 10 or a pin.

Eville dad; I believe they wrestle them all at the same time is so that they can get the tourney over at a decent hour. Most coaches prefer to have the finals on as many mats as possible, so that they are finished faster. Especially if they are not in the finals. Most tourneys wait until the end to pass out medals ect.. Those coaches not in the finals want to get home ASAP. I'm basing this on the several coaches that I have dealt with in the past. Many of which attend or have attended the state duals either this year or in the past. Even as a wrestler, many many moons ago, I personally didn't care for a face of. In my opinion it was a waste of time and a distraction from my routine for getting ready for the finals match.

BigCoach: This is what I posted on Dec. 27th

103 Travis Sullivan---(2nd could be any of these) Carr/Spencer/Parks/Voth 112 Coty Lewis----over---Joazuin Luna 119 Caleb Wood ----over----Daniel Murner 125 Derek Scott----over-----Ben Warner 130 Bryan Peace----over----Howard/Coleman 135 Jacob Murton---over---Ashbrook 140 Daniel Thuenerman—over---Mines/Golsby 145 Aylor over Banks/Cooper/Courtney/Wilson (in that order) 152 Cooper----over----Wolsiefer (no-one else close) 160 Walls----over----Fyffe (King/Hidreth will try and make a run) 171 Mark Jones---over Starks/Rupp/Zacur 189 Richard Starks ---over (no one close to him) Wenniger/Ashworth 215 Taylor Shearer -----over----Stone/Byrd Hwt Mike Clark -----over ----Jason Hardin/Hall

top no particular order Joe Carr ---4 timer 5 time finalist Issac Knable ---4 timer Willie Ennels ---3 timer could have been more dominant Troy Cole--2 timer 4 time finalist--well rounded wrestler TendaiCharasika--a beast very dominant Pat Martz --3 timer just missed being 4 timer awsome with the legs Livingston Merritt--Whew was he tough Ian Horn--3 timer awsome wreslter to watch really put on a show. David Richey--3 timer who dominated his wt. class. Bruce Stepp--maybe the best big man ever. Brad Cooper--3 timer 4 time finalist (would have done more but couldn't wrestle varsity 8th grade) Robert Kemper--could wrestle anyone. Scott Cooper--Loved to watch him wrestle, one of the best matches ever his sr. year against Metzker Robbie Clarkston--4 timer Danny Davis--2 time Hwt maybe the only 4th place finisher in region to win state--defeated 5th, 4th, 3rd, and 2nd to win it, (in that order) Chris Hagen-2 timer defeated Kemper to get to finals sr. year. Jared Trice--Maybe the top of my list. A couple 1 time winners who might top the list Dominic Black Curt Zinga Mike Migliachio Kyle Ruschell A couple who may make the list after this year. Jacob Murton Taylor Shearer Richard Starks Those to look for Courtney Harrison Travis Sullivan Wolsefer

Nky had the Cole Trio 1978 Todd Cole 132 1979 Todd Cole 145 1980 Troy Cole 105 Todd Cole 145 (2nd) 1981 Troy Cole 119 (2nd) Todd Cole 155 (1st) 1982 Troy Cole 126 (4th) 1983 Tom Cole 132 (1st) Troy Cole 138 (1st) 1984 Troy Cole 145 (1st) MOW 1985 Troy Cole 155 (2nd) Lee twins1991 Matt Lee 103 (3rd) Mike Lee 112 (2nd) 1992 Mike Lee 119 (5th) 1993 Mike Lee 119 (5th) Matt Lee 125 (1st) 1994 Matt Lee 135 (5th) Mike Lee 140 (1st) 1995 Matt Lee 142 (2nd) Mike Lee 151 (2nd)

I have coached and will again when my son makes it to high school. Using this theory then why do you ever wrestle a match that would not change the outcome of the match? (If we started with 103 every time) Many of the schools Hwt would never wrestle. It's not a gamble by not allowing your wrestler to wrestle it can make him not use to the several tough matches he will have at state. By making him wrestle all of the matches then he becomes tougher and learns to wrestle several tough matches in a row. You take this gamble every time you send a wrestler on the mat. The ONLY reasons I see to pull someone from a tough match are. 1. The wrestler can't compete with the other wreslter and could get hurt. 2. Your wrestler is already injured. Just my opinion and philosophy. No I don't think this was the wrestlers decision.