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2 hours ago, rdc517 said:I would think most teams' coaches would use good judgment on allowing a non-placing MS State participant to wrestle at Youth State. But ,correct me if I'm wrong, aren't most MS tourneys run through Trackwrestling? Every wrestler has a profile there. A cross check of Youth State entrants by the tourney organizer (Tyler or whomever) as rosters from teams are submitted can be done. Just an idea.
No most MS tournaments are not on track. District, Regions, State is, and a handful of others, but of the tournaments that happen, less than 50% are on track.
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26 minutes ago, rdc517 said:This may be for a different post but I think it would be good to have a disclaimer for the youth State events only (Duals and Individual), that if a wrestler has participated in 60% or more of his/her matches at MS level tourneys then he/she is ineligible for youth State events. Understand the top 6 placer at MS State caveat. There are points of discussion to be made for or against this viewpoint. To me just a way to level the mat for kids who aren't yet ready for MS level competition and for those who are MS level/caliber.
Question back to you. Who tracks that?
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39 minutes ago, rdc517 said:Understand. Realize this was first year for event. Maybe residency requirement area for improvement for next year. Kind of defeats purpose of it being for Kentucky wrestlers. Otherwise could have northern KY teams add a few ringers from Cincy to roster, or western KY teams add kids from Illinois, etc. just for the purpose of winning State Duals title. Not saying those programs would ever do that.
High School doesn't have a residency requirement. No sports do at the KHSAA level. For what its worth.
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1 hour ago, That's two points said:I'm guessing that you have to weigh in that morning? No day before way ins?
Morning of weigh in just like the rest of the postseason.
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1 hour ago, She Beast said:Okay,quick question about pertaining to youth state weigh ins.My girl will be at middle school state tournament as an alternate Saturday.I think I was told that her weigh in Saturday for middle school state will be counted for youth state.Is this correct? Just making sure.
Yes MS weight in counts as youth weigh in.
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Just now, Jrodc said:It would be nice to get one more team. Would they be seeded or random draw. If seeded who's #1union or ryle?
You would seed at least the top 4, then draw in teams from there.
Have no idea what they will actually do, probably decided the morning of when everyone is there.
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3 minutes ago, Jrodc said:So any idea on pools?
I would think you would skip pools with less than 8 and just do a fallout bracket format.
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1 hour ago, gameface said:I'm just glad to see atleast 7 teams make it down. Although Union County are some of the best host in the state and set the standard on many things, I can't help but think how much better this could be if we could do a shared venue with HS and get a larger facility and share the cost. 8 mats and stands filled with all the best kids in the state and their fans!!
That's been discussed with the coaches association multiple times. Unfortunately for MS, the deal the HS has now is to sweet to modify their format to add the MS into it, or to move to a venue where HS and MS can wrestle in the same place. Cant blame the HS, and I am not. Its a good deal for them.
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3 minutes ago, gameface said:You'd still need a criteria to qualify for the event. Post season works best with Districts being the qualifier. We just need to find a venue that is the happy medium for both the West and East sided of our state. Johnson and Union are staples in Kentucky wrestling and should be there with the NKY teams, Louisville and Lexington area.
Cost is too high for that to rent a facility to do it. If you get a host school then maybe. State duals doesnt make enough money for that.
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For Immediate Release:
Workers needed for 2017 Middle School & Youth State TournamentsThose teams wishing to sign up to work at the Middle School & Youth State Tournaments this year need to send me a direct message with what you wish to work.The following is a beginning list of what we will need:Middle School State Workers (Feb 4, 2017)Gate & Admission (Starting at 7am)2 People in each two hour session7-9am9-11am11-1pm1-3pmTable Workers (2 per table)Mat 1 - Region 1 teamsMat 2 - Region 2 teamsMat 3 - Region 3 teams - RYLE/WALTON/CAMPBELL/??????Mat 4 - Region 4 teamsMat 5 - TWENHOFEL COVERINGMat 6 - OpenMat 7 - OpenMat 8 - OpenYouth State Workers (Feb 5, 2017)Table workers (3 per table)AM Session - 20 Tables to cover (Taylor Co -3, SKY -1)PM Session - 21 Tables to cover (Taylor Co - 3)Gate & Admission (Starting at 7am)3 People in each two hour session7-9am11-1pmTeam Registrations - 2 people for the AM Session (7am to 9am)AwardsAM Session - SKY CoveringPM Session - 4 peopleEvent Tear Down - as many willing to help as possible -
2 minutes ago, rjs4470 said:Taken from the bylaws--
Individual State – 5 th place in same region, 5th place in another region as determined by the following rotation plan: Region 2, Region 1, Region 3, Region 4
Exception, due to the 240 bracket being 3 wrestlers shorts, the rollup plan is already been used to fill those spots.
In other words, rollup plan will be at Region 4 once the 240 bracket is filled with alternates.
Region 4, Region 2, Region 1, Region 3. (Circle back around)
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Region 3 at large is no one.
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Mid week, have to complete the seeding call first before they can be put together.
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Been that way for about 16 years.
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18 minutes ago, merlinfam5 said:Anyone know when Region 1 will release brackets?
Should be on track.
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13 minutes ago, grappler-of-old said:So they really are a middle school team just not backed by the middle school they represent.
I have never truly understood the problem. Middle school teams should be covered under the high school team. How is the middle school basketball, and football teams handled?
That is another argument, which does not change the discussion about distance of districts.
Football and basketball are sports sponsored by the school district, in most cases wrestling is not.
There is nothing with the High School or KHSAA that covers anything middle school sports wise.
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19 minutes ago, grappler-of-old said:The 6 members of the board.
Well who should vote for those board member positions?
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30 minutes ago, grappler-of-old said:This may be true but many of those "club" teams are only club teams so they can add a few kids from outside the main middle school they represent.
Maybe, majority of them are club teams due to the school district in the area they are in, do not sponsor wrestling, hence being a club team is the only option. (See Boone County) for an example.
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34 minutes ago, grappler-of-old said:No because that is what our representatives are there to do. Much the same as our representatives in government do.
Everyone has their own agenda, If you allow that many coaches/people to vote and give their opinion, nothing will get done. We elect representatives because we believe they are the best people to come up with the right answers we need for a district/region. If they do not then we vote someone else in that we think will do the right thing for us.
Just because I don't attend these meetings. Many of us don't have the time, Does not mean our ideas are not correct or good.
Like I said maybe I am wrong, It's just my opinion.
Maybe I need to start putting this in again
These are the opinions of GOO nothing more nothing less. Take them or leave them in the grand scheme of things it really does not matter.
GOO out.
Who are these representatives you keep speaking of if they are not the coaches of the teams?
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Lets not forget that one of the major reasons for the weigh in right before the state tournament was due to complete proper skin checks on the wrestlers.
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14 hours ago, tcats said:Is there a district alignment map somewhere?
Updated list as of today. Please act accordingly.
2016-2017 Bylaw forms turn in by Dec 18, 2016 Region 1 Region 2 Region 3 Region 4 District 1 District 2 District 3 District 4 District 5 District 6 District 7 District 8 Caldwell Co Central Hardin Fairdale North Oldham Raiders Campbell Co Anderson County Ashland Calloway County Danville River City Conner Holmes CWA Johnson County Christrian County John Hardin Shamrocks Cooper Newport EJ Hayes Martin County Eagle WC Larue County NKY Saints Summit View Franklin County Montgomery County Fort Campbell Walton Twenhofel Hammer Time WC Perry Co Central Fulton Independent Woodland Madison County Wayne County KY Stars WC Scott County McCracken County Wolverine WC Trigg County Woodford County Union County 2016-2017 Bylaw forms turn in late, pending late fee receipt Region 1 Region 2 Region 3 Region 4 District 1 District 2 District 3 District 4 District 5 District 6 District 7 District 8 Ohio County Meade County Moore Henry Clay McCreary County 2016-2017 Bylaw forms not turned in Region 1 Region 2 Region 3 Region 4 District 1 District 2 District 3 District 4 District 5 District 6 District 7 District 8 Daviess County Bardstown WC Doss East Oldham Bourbon County Harrison County Hopkinsville Barren County Fern Creek Oldham Tates Creek Paducah Tillman Boyle County Male South Oldham Purchase Pounders Bullitt East University Heights Nelson County Spencer County North Hardin Relentless WC Taylor County -
42 minutes ago, kyrj said:Only 40% of the teams at the middle school level are school teams?
Give or take a few % points, yes.
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1 minute ago, grappler-of-old said:it comes down to the school not wanting kids to leave before 6 in the morning. What I mean by travel is look at the average travel time for a team to travel to other schools in their district.
Schools also have to pay bus drivers for the entire time they are gone not just while they are driving, plus fuel costs. It may not seem much to some schools but it does to many schools.
That could be a valid point. Our school doesnt provide travel for MS sports of any kind, so I wouldnt know. Lets also remember though that only about 40% of the teams are school teams. You take away the 4 school teams in our area that dont provide travel via bus and you the numbers are less. However like I said, a rotation plan of District host elevates this.
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5 minutes ago, Nike Man said:To address #4- .....never mind. Here's your trophy.
I think I am missing your point or understanding it incorrectly. How does allowing a kid to participate in an OPEN District Tournament giving them a participation trophy?
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Update as of tonight of open worker spots left. Let me know ASAP.