DrBaker

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    I watched Indiana’s state finals and it was a party! They started it late and celebrated it. Our semi state finals started about the same time and was viewed as an inconvenience. 1/2 the teams and 3/4 of the fans left. Part of it really is a state of mind. Part of it is a real venue. 

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    It’s pretty exciting to look at some big matchups (possibly) of east champs vs west. Most haven’t seen each other. 
    113- Raney vs Morris 

    120- Meyer vs Whorton II

    138- Peyton vs Bowers

    144- Goss vs Andreoni 

    157- Herron vs Messerly 

    165- Giannone vs Powell

    175- Kiser vs Duke II

    190- Little vs Price

    215- Virzi vs McCoy

    hwt- Smith vs Harvey 

     

     

     

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    9 minutes ago, Ranger123 said:

    I would say the more I look at it neither Wallace or Powers have a lot to be ranked on.  Thanks for pointing that out, I may leave them both off this week.  And since a few of you western ky folks like rankwrestlers, they have Powers ahead of Wallace at this point.  Hmmm.

    As for Poynter he has exactly 0 (that's zero) matches listed at 157 on track.  And while he had a great weekend, let's not forget his losses (a couple to unranked guys).  Those matches don't disappear from the record.  I will say he now has a couple wins over those guys mentioned and I should reevaluate that group of guys.

    You are right. His 157 matches aren’t listed on track, but the regional is on track where Jj just beat Wilson and McNeely. He has also beat them both at 165 and those matches are listed. He does have 1 loss against an unranked kid that he beat later. 

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    1 hour ago, naplesme said:

    But there-in lies the problem. Coaches are required to put the information into track, yet no one enforces this rule and teams don't always put in their results. Some wait until the end of the season, others never bother to put in anything. Until the powers that be back up their threat of sanctions for those who do not update their track records, track will not be as effective as it could be.

    They put them in when they want those regional seeds. Lol. There are enough matches posted to do a pretty good job seeding the tourneys. 

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    4 minutes ago, Ranger123 said:

    Not buying the rank wrestlers path.  Just as many flaws there.  Maybe for the top guys, but not for full seeding.  I've only checked it out a few times over the years and seen girls with 4-0 records ranked above good guys.

    RankWrestlers has flaws for sure. It is track. I was just showing that that Ohio and Indiana do put results in. You put in the 16 wrestlers for state and it will seed them pretty damn close. They might have to wrestle a regional opponent again in the 1st round, but that’s just how it works. I just hate seeing Deck vs Adams and Johnson vs Sheffer at 9am when they deserved to be on the big stage. 

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    1 hour ago, grappler-of-old said:

     

      If track is able to do this then why was semi-state and state last year so jacked up?

    As I have stated.  I am completely on board with seeding the regional champions.  If this is a progressive post season then what happens in region should count more than anything else in seeding. 

    What I don't want to see is kids from the same region wrestling each other in the 1st round. This happened in the early 2000's at state and they fixed it. 

    I just looked through the state bracket and seeds worked great. Best 2 wrestlers made finals in almost every class. 

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    12 minutes ago, grappler-of-old said:

    Track does not know what happens in Ohio they do enter results in track.  Most of Nky spend 3/4 of their season in Ohio.  Track would not even know if they defeated a state champion in Ohio. 

    This is a section of Cole Thomas’s season. Shows his only loss to a badass from LaSalle. He has a 99.5 ranking. 

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    106- Raney over Brown

    113- Raney over Campbell 

    120- Jenkins over Whorton

    126- Eckman over Brown

    132- Frazier over Johnson

    138- Peyton over Herron

    144- Mayes over Beane

    150- Rider over Banfield

    157- Herron over Feree

    165- Ricketts over Powell

    175- Kiser over Ervin

    190- Little over Wimberly 

    215- CSP over Silva 

    hwt- Harvey over Pike 

    darkhorse- Wimberly- Christian 

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    4 hours ago, WhiteTiger95 said:

     

    106 - Rainey UC

    113- Rainey UC

    120- Jenkins UC vs whorton 

    126- Echman UC vs brown OC

    darkhorse to watch: Lampe Male

    132- Johnson Campbell county 

    138- Herron NH vs Clark Ohio co

    darkhorse to watch: speaker STX Bennem atherton

    144- Vilums male vs andronni woodford

    darkhorse to watch : Harris Moore 

    150-McCune Moore 

    darkhorse to watch : Krebs STX

    157- Herron NH

    165- Phillips trinity vs Powell fairdale

    175-kiser trinity

    190- little UC

    215- Geilear WC vs Silva JH

    darkhorse to watch : seals UC Hackett FC

    285- cart Apollo vs gulliaume STX


    1st - UC

    2nd - trinity 

    just my 2 cents . Upsets happen every year . Look for these dark horses to bust some brackets . Best time of the year . Good luck too all . Cheers 

    Campbell co is in 2. You might have missed all the Paducah kids. 

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    3 hours ago, grappler-of-old said:

     

     I have conceded to seeding the regional champs but beyond that is not possible. 

    The NBA, NFL, .... all are measuring apples to apples.  We are measuring apples to oranges.  Many teams go out of state for competition, and we have no idea the strength of their competition, many of those states do not use track to counting wins of the opponents you have beaten is impossible.  You can't just say he wrestled the kid from the #1 ranked team in the nation, maybe they put in their 4th string kid to try and get him a win. 

    That’s the thing, we can use technology we already have and give analytic data on wins and losses in and out of state. Does beating a champ from Indiana affect it more than the #5 kid in Ky? Absolutely. Matches are required to be put in track. This data is right there in front of us. Track can do it in the blink of an eye. It’s not perfect, but it’s easily adjustable. We can seat the top 100 if we wanted to. 

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    2 hours ago, Dblev275 said:

    The problem with seeding is that the “two best kids” are always subjective.  One of the true historians around here can probably answer this - how many times have the “1 & 2” been on opposite sides of the bracket and still not meet in the finals?  You see this all the time in college - the ncaa’s are seeded all the way out and the 1&2’s very rarely meet in the finals.  
     

    If it could be done right, I’d probably be all for it, but where’s the fun in that?  If we all knew who truly was 1 & 2, 3 & 4, etc., then why wrestle the tournament if it’s already predetermined?  Trust me, there are many matches where I believed it should’ve been the finals match, but at least I still got to see the match regardless of where it happened.  Sure, some kids may get “screwed” but that’s the name of the game, unfortunately.  They shouldn’t seed the tournament simply because it can’t be done.  Prove me wrong with facts and I’ll easily concede my argument.

    Upsets are supposed to happen. The way random draw was, it was a 1/3 chance for the top 2 to meet in quarters, 1/3 for semis, 1/3 for finals. Almost every other event in the world has some sort of seeding. The goal should be to hand the top 4 in the semis and top 2 of those in the finals. 

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    3 hours ago, neverbreak said:

    This is a modified remake of the district, region, state format that ran from the mid 90's through to the early 2000's.

    Back then you could be 4th in District, 4th in Region, and be state champ.  You could also be 4th, 4th, and 6th and have a 6-7 record and be top 6 at state (only placed six with the 16 man bracket).

    My point being, until it is the final tournament losses don't really matter, they never did in the past and they don't now.

     

    They are calling it the state tournament because of the "everyone deserves a trophy" mentality. 

     

    If it was really the first round then:

    1) scores would carry over (and they are not this year...thank god)

    2) champs from this weekend would be finalists next weekend

    3) runner ups would be placed into consolation semis to wrestle the 3rd place finisher from the opposite semi-state

    4) wrestlers with two losses would be eliminated from the second weekend of competition.

    5) state tournament would pace top 6

    Not sure if anyone noticed that points aren’t carrying over. 

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    1 hour ago, grappler-of-old said:

    Does it really matter at semi-state?  The top 8 are going to state.  Just qualify and you can still win the next weekend. 

    Of course it does. The best 8 deserve to go, not just the luckiest 8. It still gets everything all skewed when the 2nd best kid is 3rd. 

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    4 hours ago, Region2Alum said:

    It’s so funny reading this tread. The same people who say “you wanna be the best, you gotta beat the best” are complaining about a blind draw. I guess it’s only fair if there team/child is receiving the lesser ranked opponent. A blind draw gives all the kids a chance. Just saying practice what you preach. 
    Good luck to all these young men. Who’s season hasn’t ended yet. And hopefully we won’t see to many Uncle Rico’s this weekend. 

    A blind draw screws the fans and screws the kids. 2 years ago Trayce Eckman#3, lost to Spencer Moore #1 in the 2nd round. Trayce then went into the consolations and went 5-0. He knocked out 4 kids that should have had a shot to place. 
    I am a proponent of seeing because I want to see the best 2 kids in the finals. 

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