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    7 hours ago, CoachC said:

    The email that is listed for you club is what was listed with USA Wrestling by whomever chartered the club.

    Ok, so is that the person that needs to request it be changed? I figured it would have been Dan Knight since he is the head of the program. That email that is listed isn't used or monitored anymore. 

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    21 hours ago, grappler-of-old said:

    Because we are not talking about kids/parents/families that are all in when it comes to wrestling. Those that go to national tourneys usually are wrestling families.  

    Once again stop thinking only about the elite and rich.  Take into consideration those without the means to do this. 

    GOO...this was brought up last year at the spring meeting as an issue that needed to be corrected, ballots were sent out for review for the fall coaches meeting where 25 coaches voted and the current system of weigh-ins was voted in by 16 of those 25. The options were to either keep the Status Quo or have weigh-in/skin checks the two days prior. The information and the State flyer has been out since the Fall and here we are a month prior and now its being brought up as an issue. I can assure you its not about the elite and rich its in part about parents having kids cut weight to weigh in at their Regional Tournament two weeks prior to the tournament and they show up having gained everything they cut back and then we have huge disadvantages and to add to that there has been no skin checks done prior to these kids getting on the mat. I volunteered my time to serve on the KSWA board as one of the Youth VP's and I can promise you I want to see the sport grow, I am also completely open to thoughts, recommendations and solutions but those would also be nice to hear a little sooner than 30 days to the date of execution. I invite everybody to feel free to email me their thoughts, concerns, recommendations and/or recommended solutions for this topic or anything in general at jnv858@gmail.com.

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    7 hours ago, coachteater said:

    According to the flyer, youth must weigh in for state either Friday or sat.

    I was told this weekend that they could weigh in on sunday, is this true? 

    I've emailed, but had no response 

    Scott, who did you email cause I haven't seen that inquiry come to the board....shoot me an email at jnv858@gmail.com....No weigh-ins will be allowed Sunday. 

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    On 1/11/2017 at 10:29 AM, KSWA Staff said:

    Considering not every team has entered their roster yet, this is a little premature. 

    Big day is tomorrow and the numbers aren't much better from Wednesday.

    District 1 - 170

    District 2 - 96

     

    District 3 - 84

    District 4 - 75

     

    District 5 - 66

    District 6 - 102

     

    District 7 - 111

    District 8 - 119

     

    Region 1 - 266

    Region 2 - 159

    Region 3 - 168

    Region 4 - 230

     

     

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    12 hours ago, heavy83 said:

    Wrestledad Trust me on this as a whole the officials are trying their best to get more consistent thru the whole state as to how we make our calls. Only in the last 6-7 years the officials in Ky for wrestling formed an association to work on getting the whole state consistent. With that being said when humans are involved there will always be some inconsistency on how some things are called because of the key words listed in any officiating rule book "in the judgement of the official". One thing I can guarantee an official never goes in to a match thinking let me see whose day I can ruin today. Just one more suggestion for your situation  that would've  actually been "for lack of better words" caught before she wrestled per the rule book any special equipment is to be brought to weigh ins to be checked by the official for legality purposes. Anything besides the singlet, headgear and wrestling shoes are considered special equipment meaning undershirts knee pads knee braces mouth pieces tights etc. Failure to do that the wrestler runs the risk of what happened yesterday. So my suggestion to you and anyone else if wearing anything other than the required uniform have it checked before wrestling begins to prevent that from happening.

    Weight / uniform / skin checks were completed the morning of. So when she reported to the mat should not of been the time an official decides to point it out and start injury time for it to be corrected, if it was an issue then if should of been addressed that morning during check-ins. What Wrestledad forgot to mention is the official literally told us when I brought her back to the same official to have the new shirt inspected was with Districts starting next week they are being more strict on calls that otherwise would go without notice earlier in the year. So WHY, why wait until the end of the year to enforce the rules? So was the official correct, yes, but with those words coming out of his mouth that makes him no better than the ones who didn't call it all season. Once you set a precedence with your calls you create a new standard.

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    14 hours ago, refdad said:

    Wrestledad, I would like to respond to your post criticizing the official yesterday for not allowing a wrestler to compete with a shirt with loose sleeves as well as penalizing a wrestler for shoe laces. Sir, there certainly are "by laws" as you say referring to these and other matters.  They can be found in the NFHS rule book. This is the same set of rules that are used in Kentucky for high school as well as middle school . You may feel that your wrestlers shirt is not an issue. Maybe she had been allowed to compete with it all season to this point, but the official was correct. The rule states "if sufficient reason is determined by the referee, a tight fitting, short sleeved or sleeveless undershirt maybe worn under a one piece singlet "

    Obviously, a female would wear some shirt/sports bra under a singlet. It's commonly discussed during local wrestling officials association meetings, that means form fitting material such as under armor or compression type material. I can't explain why others have allowed it all season. But when someone enforces a rule directly from the rule book and has been the only one to do so, I see the lack of consistency coming in others lack of complying with the rules. Same goes for the shoe laces situation.  "laces shall either be taped to the shoe or secured by a locking device on the wrestling shoe in an acceptable fashion"  It is a technical violation when reporting to the scorers table not properly equipped or ready to wrestle or any equipment that is detected as being illegal. So, if shoe laces are not tied or properly secured, the rule is technical violation, 1 point for the opponent, start injury time. 

    Nike Man, you say come on KHSAA, pay for some classes. I don't know if most folks realize the pay scale for officials. For an all day middle school tournament with three officials on three mats we make $160 dollars. More for high school. Here is my point. I agree there should be more consistency but that's the reason for now mandating a minimum number of rules meetings to attend to be eligible to do varsity matches. The newer guys are typically assigned to youth/middle school before doing varsity. The goal here is to discuss rules/situations so that everyone in an association are calling things the same. Consistency with certain holds, situations or rules. Point is no one does it simply for the money. It's not nearly worth it. Continually being questioned by coaches about any given close call. Dealing with parents yelling from the stands and sometimes mat side. It's a no win situation. Every officials goal SHOULD be to not even be noticed during a match and have all the focus be on the wrestlers. Are all officials great? Certainly not! But my whole point in this post is someone having a problem with a young man that upheld the rules. He is absolutely correct. If we want to say well, it's an undershirt or it's only shoe laces, then what other parts of the rule book really aren't important. 

    Its black and white. Either a wrestler is within the rules or they aren't. The lack of consistency comes from the guys that either want to be a " nice guy" and just let it go because its only a shirt or the ones that just aren't professional enough to know the rules. That's just my opinion. Opinions are like something else, everybody has one. 

    Weight / uniform / skin checks were completed the morning of. So when she reported to the mat should not of been the time an official decides to point it out and start injury time for it to be corrected, if it was an issue then if should of been addressed that morning during check-ins. What Wrestledad forgot to mention is the official literally told us when I brought her back to the same official to have the new shirt inspected was with Districts starting next week they are being more strict on calls that otherwise would go without notice earlier in the year. So WHY, why wait until the end of the year to enforce the rules? So was the official correct, yes, but with those words coming out of his mouth that makes him no better than the ones who didn't call it all season. Once you set a precedence with your calls you create a new standard.

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    14 hours ago, bestmistake33 said:

    As a former official in TN and KY and a current Dad of 2 wrestlers, there are a couple of things that i would encourage regarding your discontent with wrestling officiating.

    1. Get involved.  Get certified to officiate and call a couple of matches.  Show up to the meetings.  It's not difficult to do.  You simply go to a website, register, and take a test.  After that you are eligible to officiate matches.  The best way to drive change is to be proactive in the problem that you perceive.  Make your voice known to KHSAA administration and strive to make other officials better.
    2. If you don't want to be an official, get copies of the rules book.  The rules book is available for $5.99 on iTunes or from the NFHS.  There is also a case manual that can be had for the same price/method.  Read the rule book and understand the rules.  If you have questions ask your coach or an official at a tournament.  I can't tell you the times I had great conversations with parents/spectators.  Most simply want to understand and are receptive to questioning.

    On to your issue at hand, i would point to the rule book:

    SECTION 1 WRESTLERS’ UNIFORM

    ART. 1 . . . Wrestlers shall wear:

    a. a one-piece singlet cut no lower in the back or front than the level of the armpits and under the arms no lower than one-half the distance between the armpit and the belt line. If sufficient reason is determined by the referee, a tight-fitting, short-sleeved or sleeveless undershirt of a single, solid color unadorned with no more than one “manufacturer’s logo/trademark/reference may be worn under the one-piece singlet;”

    ART. 3 . . . Wrestlers shall wear light heelless wrestling shoes, reaching above the ankles. If the shoes have laces, the laces shall either be taped to the shoe or secured by a locking device on the wrestling shoe in an acceptable fashion.

    Your statement said that the sleeves were loose and the official was worried about broken fingers.  Not being present or seeing pictures, I will say that if the official was airing on the side of safety of participants - you will lose that argument 10/10 times.  While it can be frustrating (my youngest son lost a match he was winning due to an illegal slam in the finals), safety comes first.  Especially with young wrestlers and especially at this time in the season.

    NikeMan - delaying a match by protesting on the mat (as a coach or spectator) is a good way to get ejected from a wrestling competition.  Want to stay past your ejection? - The local police department will be happy to remove you.  I unfortunately had this happen in TN with an unruly parent in the late 90's.  The last call that I wanted to make, but the only one that I could.

    I'm sorry to hear about the poor officiating you all received up North.  That being said, if the only issue you had with the official was the official enforcing proper wrestlers uniform, it sounds like you had a great day.  The officiating I have seen this year for my sons has been average so far (really slow to call stalling - on both my sons and other wrestlers!

    Good luck to all the rest of the year.

    Weight / uniform / skin checks were completed the morning of. So when she reported to the mat should not of been the time an official decides to point it out and start injury time for it to be corrected, if it was an issue then if should of been addressed that morning during check-ins. What Wrestledad forgot to mention is the official literally told us when I brought her back to the same official to have the new shirt inspected was with Districts starting next week they are being more strict on calls that otherwise would go without notice earlier in the year. So WHY, why wait until the end of the year to enforce the rules? So was the official correct, yes, but with those words coming out of his mouth that makes him no better than the ones who didn't call it all season. Once you set a precedence with your calls you create a new standard.

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    Weight / uniform / skin checks were completed the morning of. So when she reported to the mat should not of been the time an official decides to point it out and start injury time for it to be corrected, if it was an issue then if should of been addressed that morning during check-ins. What Wrestledad forgot to mention is the official literally told us when I brought her back to the same official to have the new shirt inspected was with Districts starting next week they are being more strict on calls that otherwise would go without notice earlier in the year. So WHY, why wait until the end of the year to enforce the rules? So was the official correct, yes, but with those words coming out of his mouth that makes him no better than the ones who didn't call it all season. Once you set a precedence with your calls you create a new standard.

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    On October 10, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Ranger123 said:

    I think Coach hit the nail on the head. Committed passionate coaches will have 10000 times the impact a uniform change will. We have way too many guys who just "collect a check" and do nothing to build their teams. 

    Not saying we shouldn't make an attempt with an alternate uniform, but I don't think it is a silver bullet. 

    Speaking of voting on this again, won't it have to wait 2 years to be voted on again. 

    Not unless we decide that it needs to be addressed again prior to that two year moratorium, which I think there is enough chatter and discussion that this would be one of those topics that need to be. BUT, there seems to be more individuals with very valid opinions on here speaking up since the vote than there was present for the vote. The majority voted against them..... I support the alternate uniform, think it's an awesome idea, but the boards hands are tied when the majority votes, so maybe we can give it another look sooner and see what the majority says this time around. 

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    It's not only "little" brothers and sisters wrestling in Youth Regionals...6th-8th graders are eligible also and many of them wrestle these "youth" tournaments and if they want to compete at youth state then they have to weigh in and participate at their youth regional. So by discounting the youth regional tournament and moving MS regional to Sunday you also effect those kids....

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