GentleBeard

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    20 hours ago, 1982Wrestler said:

    He running?

    Running would imply he hasn't wrestled and is afraid of wrestling him.  That's not true in this situation.  They've wrestled multiple times and Jordyn has gotten the better of him (as he does with 99.5% of the country).  It's not like there aren't challenges at 132, either.  The top end of most weights in the state are very competitive.

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    8 minutes ago, rjs4470 said:

    I've found that across many sports (at least the ones I've been or my kids have been involved in, Baseball, Football, Basketball and wrestling) that the age of the kids is inversely related to the grief that officials get. The younger the participant, the worse the officials get treated. Which might explain why it's harder to get officials at non high school events.

    Maybe it’s just where we are located, but I didn’t see many confrontations that got out of hand to the point coaches were getting booted. In fact, I could name drop a few refs who have gone above and beyond to show respect to coaches, improve relationships, listen to concerns, but also remain mentally tough when coaches get amped up over perceived calls that don’t go their way.  The fact we can have a discussion about a call with an open mind and low probability of getting offended or giving misconducts has been a nice change. I know I appreciate the hell out of that. Unfortunately, I doubt those refs will get the spotlight at state. That’s how it usually works.

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    The middle school state tournament started on time and was completed faster than most tournaments we went to with smaller brackets this year (I know 10 mats helps). I thought the youth state tournament went well, too, considering there was a record number of participants. I like the Corbin Arena. It's perfect for a state wrestling tournament. Sure, it's not in the middle of the state, but it's worth the drive to have a tournament run efficiently and at a location that's conducive to the sport of wrestling. The only issue that one could potentially have is with the head ref stating that coaches are the reason there's not that many of them (referees).  I didn't see many conflicts between the refs and coaches this weekend or much at all this year, if I'm honest.  I thought starting the day off with manufactured conflict/blame game between coaches and refs probably wasn't the smartest move.  

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    Corbin has the perfect arena for Kentucky wrestling. The infrastructure is a bit lacking, but somehow had nearly 1,400 wrestlers yesterday and was done by 7pm. Wish the KHSAA would gain some input on how the middle school runs post season. High school state duals = held in high school gyms. High school semi state/state = held in high school gyms. Middle School state duals = held at Knights Hall at Bellarmine. Middle school state = held in an arena with 10 mats. 

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    3 hours ago, coachteater said:

    You said 415, that is number weight assessed not registered.  You make it sound bad 27%get medals, am i hearing this correct? Because if you you have a full 16 man bracketed tournament and place 4, thats 25% 

    To place in the top 4 for boys’ state, you have to get through regionals, semi state, and then win a minimum of 3 matches against 16 others that went through the same kind of qualifiers. 

    And yes, I’d rather only place top 4 in a bracket smaller than 16, top 6 for anything between 16-31 man bracket and top 8 for 32 man bracket. Placing top 8 in 1-15 man brackets (without a qualifier) doesn’t seem useful. I also come from a state where they only placed top 4 at the state tournament.

     

    The math is simple… if you have 415 (which is ALL the assessed wrestlers) wrestlers and 112 get medals, that’s ~25%. The lower the participants and the higher the medal count, the percentage of placing wrestlers increases. 

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    3 hours ago, grappler-of-old said:

    Ok now I see the problem.  The only complaint is that a team can only put one wrester per wt. class. 

    I personally am AOK with that.  I don't like 2 participants from the same team on any level.  They do it for middle school but it is not done for High school varsity. 

    If we want the girls to reflect the boys or vice versa then they need to be the same.  

    I agree with the end goal, here. 
    However:

    1) there are a lot more boys wrestling than girls right now in the state

    2) The boys’ numbers justify not just a region tournament but a semi state tournament as well. That’s 2 qualifying tournaments to get to a full 16 man bracket. The girls have none of that. Even middle school (that can enter multiple wrestlers) has numbers to support at least 1 qualifying tournament.

    For now, as the sport grows, the fewer barriers to entry the better. When girls wrestling reaches a certain level to justify a qualifying tournament, then that’ll be great and proof we are trending in the right direction. Its just my perspective that limiting participation at this stage is like pruning a plant the minute it breaks the soil. 

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    What I’m trying to understand is how we grow the sport, but limit participation in the process. I’d agree that once certain thresholds are met, then you can justify qualifying tournaments, etc. Girl’s wrestling in Kentucky isn’t there, yet. What’s the resistance to hosting a big state tournament and boasting in the numbers/growth of KY wrestling? For those girls that wrestle during the season but can’t wrestle at state simply due to roster jams - not qualifying tournaments - what’s their encouragement to stay with the sport? I think eliminating barriers to entry, for now during the growing process, would probably be helpful. 

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    13 minutes ago, coachteater said:

    Based off the numbers from past, even letting only 1 enter, we expect 300 wrestlers in this years tournament.  Thats almost 100 more than last year. 

    Also placing 6 with 300 weight assessed last year put it at 26% of girls getting a medal, the same percentage that we have this year according to your math. 

    The numbers have all been gathered, shared , talked about, and decisions were made by many coaches to procede in this way. 

    Last year there were 210 wrestlers in the tournament. 40% of entrants actually placed.

    Last year, there were 183 scoring wrestlers - reflective of 1 wrestler per weight class per team.  

    Here's to hoping for a 40% increase in participation considering the limitations this year.

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    I understand. But it would be reasonable to expect that the overall tournament entries will be fewer this year than last year.  If we medal the top 8, that's 112 placers, but only 415 total are registered.  If you had 415 entries (which will likely be below 300), 27% would get medals. Seems like an issue from a competitive standpoint. Some brackets will have more medals than participants.

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    4 hours ago, Ranger123 said:

    There is a difference between providing feedback and just being a pain in the backside.  Another major difference is the the KHSAA guys are collecting a big fat paycheck to provide a service for our kids.  I have volunteered hundreds of hours a year on this stuff for the last 20+ years.  If someone wants to shoot me a pm and really discuss ideas for improvement I am 100% open to it.  It happens nearly every day.  Open fishing for an argument about "leaving out" Union County or the timing is not trying to do anything constructive for wrestling in the state.

    Not only do you volunteer your hours, but you also made a post regarding the countless others that helped get this event done. Some people are just silly.

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