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44 minutes ago, Coach Burton said:John Smith lost a match in the Olympics in 1992 and still won gold. Is his medal invalid?
This only applies when vertical pairing is used. It has never applied to line bracketing.
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Just for arguments sake try to consider this scenario from an entire cross section of the situation.
1) most of the time arguments like this are based on the assumption of a kid being what you would consider to old for the grade. Not fact.
2) for every kid that is winning matches in this scenario, there is at least 1 that isn't winning many matches at all even against what you would consider younger competitors.
3) some kids are just more athletic, more dedicated, better at learning and applying, more coordinated, better coached...the list goes on.
4) age doesn't directly translate to winning. Just the same as cutting weight or being ranked higher.
Something to keep in mind when arguing this is no arguments are going to change your team or individual success.
When my oldest son was a freshman high school, we were considering wrestling at college open tournaments starting in his sophomore year. After his freshman year, the NCAA banned competitors that were enrolled in high school or younger from competing in these open events. The reason for this is because a kid that was enrolled in the 8th grade won one of these open tournaments. That is fact. The moral to this story is that all wrestlers are NOT created equal. Some are just better. And age has less to do with it than you are comfortable admitting.
Be careful stabbing into the dark. You may not hit what you think you are stabbing at.
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Qualification for Fargo will be done through USA national Freestyle and Greco-Roman events as well as regional events. National events will take precident over regional events. Central Regional will take precident over all other regional events. All that is required is participation, but placement takes precident over participation.
UWW Cadet & U15 is 4/23 - 4/25 @ Wisconsin Dells
UWW Junior is 4/30 - 5/2 @ Coralville, Iowa
Central Regional is 5/21 - 5/23 @ Fort Wayne Indiana
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If it were to become reality, it wouldn't happen in a high school nor on a dirt floor.
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What team are you with?
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Small school state duals at Union.
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32 minutes ago, J.W. said:I was thinking of an invitational tournament near the end of March. USA wrestling sanctioned event and inviting anyone who placed top 4 in their region in the state of Kentucky. Any thoughts? Hahaha!
If this is popular, I can make it happen.
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Just FYI, the NFHS and the KHSAA own all video rights to all post season events.
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8 hours ago, DrBaker said:No. What if the region 1 3rd place kid is the second best in the state. He’s only lost to #1 in region 1 at regionals and loses in the bracket you show. #2 kid in state would miss state.
If the 3rd place kid at region is the second best kid in the state, with his only loss to the best kid in the state coming before region finals, the seeding at region was done wrong.
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Track wrestling keeps track of all wins and losses recorded in its system, as well as limited other info. Not just season info, all info. Now that flosports has purchased track, I'm sure there will be far more criteria. So track seeds the event based off of total body of work. I the event that 1 region champion who has a huge amount of criteria, and gets seeded 1 but has a loss to the 2 seed another region champion during this season, you simply adjust that. It's not a finality. I will say however far more often then not track has it right.
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5 hours ago, grappler-of-old said:Of course it can seed a tourney but can it correctly.
Not sure of its capabilities, but most seeds are determined by mostly head to head and common opponent.
Correctly is exactly what you would get. It cuts thru all of the arguing about records, who beat who with no head to head. All of that. How many times has a coach argued that a kids seed should be higher based on a something and 0 record, when in fact half of the kids wins were against the same 5 opponents. Track seeds kids based on all of their wins and losses. Fact.
Also, there is really no need to seed semi state. 1vs.4, 2vs.3, 3vs.2, 4vs.1. Bracket set up and ready to wrestle.
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It's not impossible for track to seed these tournaments. The lack of coaches uploading info and results is what leads you to believe it is impossible. But the fact is, they could easily be seeded by track.
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Tilghman seems to be banged up. Have been missing big hitters for a while now. Under normal circumstances I would agree with that statement. Larue possibly as well. Either way, WV should be at state Duals to determine the answer to that. They are clearly the best team in section 2, outside of mere technicalities. This is a a shame!
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My guess is the only small school in the state that is realistically beating WV is Union.
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Ot only, not free. But both arenas are booked.
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1 hour ago, bluegrassbrawler said:what was the score of the Union Co - Johnson Central match?
42-30
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4 hours ago, ukpridewrestler11 said:I got a message from a wrestling parent who’s kid is very very highly ranked. “Make the semi states with two regions. Only 8 man brackets then the top 4 advance to state for 16 man brackets. Even region 7/8 combined would only have 8 man brackets so the large regional numbers wouldn’t matter when it came to semi state. Bring the best of the best to state.”
I agree with this sentiment. Since we are taking steps for special changes to make state happen during this pandemic. I see this as a logical step to take that can easily be made. Now finding a venue for state, I don’t have even the slightest clue.
This is fairly simple. Regional events held as normal. Top 4 from each region move to a district tournament. 2 regions per district 1vs.2 and so on. This makes an 8 man bracket per weight class per district, with 4 districts advancing top 4 to state for a 16 man bracket at State tournament. This doesn't get 32 wrestlers per weight class to the state tournament. But it does come very close to getting the correct 16 to the State tournament. With restrictions being what they are, 32 is not a realistic accomplishment. This adds 1 weekend to post season that is much more manageable. Just my 2 cents.
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5 hours ago, Eat at Joe's said:Please share this with any and everyone that can't be at the horse park next week. Please remember those folks that are in the military and aren't able to make it. I truly hope that everyone that can't be there gets to watch their child, grandchild, niece, nephew, etc. wrestle this weekend!!
Let the KHSAA know how much our sport really means to us!!
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22 minutes ago, VisionQuest said:Lawson wrestled 120 against Trinity.
This match has been fixed in trackwrestling. It was verified that that match took place at 120.
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Here is our response.
The requirements for all dual teams are listed on this website. These were approved by Ranger123, at last year's meeting, and in emails prior to them being posted. Once the qualifier was complete, there were 5 kids that filed paperwork showing interest in being on the team. Of those 5 only 2 paid deposits. After that there was no paperwork filled in form of petition or otherwise with the state. I continued to communicate with Ranger about the schoolboy dual team. He sent a list of people that had shown interest. Still no paperwork or deposits from anyone. This went on for 2 weeks. I last communicated with Ranger on Sunday April 22nd. This is the communication to him, and I quote.
"We will take deposits until the end of the tournament this Saturday at Oldham Co. The entry fees to these tournaments are not refundable. We also have to reserve rooms before we enter, and order gear for those who don't have it. If we don't have deposits, we won't be taking a team"
His response was, and I quote.
"I will see what I can do this week"
Of all the kids on the list that were interested in being in the dual team, only 1 was at the tournament in Oldham Co.
This deadline was put in place due to the fact that there was a non-refundable $1500.00 entry fee due by May 1st.
Not only that, but ALL wrestlers are required to wear matching singlets. And these singlets are personalized. This was also at Rangers request. You can see from my communication with Ranger that there are a lot of things that have to be paid for. What is not mentioned in that communication, is that we also have to pay for an official to be there or pay a $500.00 penalty for each style.
And with no expression of interest by simply filling a petition for a spot, with a deposit. It's not wise to spend all of this money to make this happen on a team that only exists in theory
We fund these teams very heavily. And absolutely want them to participate. Just not to the extent that we are willing to sacrifice loosing several thousand dollars.-
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Breakfast will be available at the tournament.
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The KY/USA Freestyle & Greco State Tournament will be this Saturday May 19th. THIS TOURNAMENT IS OPEN TO ALL IN STATE WRESTLERS WITH A FULL USA MEMBERSHIP!!
The tournament will be held at Taylor Co. Highschool. Due to circumstances beyond our control, we are unable to access the football stadium. I and KY/USA Wrestling sincerely apologize for this. The tournament will be live on trackcast.
This tournament is a requirement for all national teams.
Register on track here:
http://www.trackwrestling.com/registration/BasicPreReg1.jsp?tournamentGroupId=51724132
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