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One of the best posts I have ever read. This thread can be closed now.

I was thinking the same thing! Congrats Garth.

Do you really want to revisit history? It would be a good idea as those who forget history are bound to repeat it, and you have repeatedly been kicked out of rooms. Hmmmmmmmm..........Moeller jr hi, LaSalle, Springboro, Mason, Grant Co most recently. Events? Where to begin. Police escort sound familiar? Foolish foolish man. You have left a trail of burning bridges. Word of advice, keep the focus on your boys and not on you. For the record, as you have such a short memory, I never stated anything negative about your boys. Austin won, good for him. He won a freshman tournament. I am not a betting man, but I would have bet BIG on him to win a freshman tournament. Now, a lesson for beginners. No name calling nor name calling was needed to make this all to legit point. Big boys have a command of the English language and therefore do not need to rely upon primitive words. Believe it, your lack of understanding of proper English reduces any point you try to make to mere rubble. So, I am done with this. As you have found it necessary to rely on playground gibberish and are out of control it is apparent to all that you need to edify yourself.

Oh okay Big Bear Little Brain, I got it. You are thin skinned. One other thing, Austin's "national title" came against freshman. A twelve man bracket I believe. Unimpressive. In my supposed wrestling ignorance I must admit I recognized nobody he beat. Shed some light please. I'm not saying Austin is not talented. I am saying he won a freshman tournament in a bracket of twelve against kids I have never heard of. Jr High accomplishments don't impress by the way. Hey, I agree wholeheartedly that the post on Ohio Wrestling was bush league, and by an administrator no less. That person should be stripped of their position. I am not at all intent on downing KY wrestling, show me one post. YOU are the one that REPEATEDLY called KY second rate. As for the rest of your drivel. It is unworthy of a response and even the WWE would reject it.

In the words of the famous Sargeant Hulka, "Lighten up, Francis." Yappi has a thread on NHSCA in which a comment was made about Scheidel upsetting Myers. Another remarked something like "so much for him beating Collica" as you claim he would. I don't see the problem on Yappi as no focus is put on either Myers, and nothing derogatory. Went to Ohio Wrestling and saw a thread about Stephen losing. True, it was done in poor taste. Thread had one reply and will fade away as all negative posts that don't turn into pissing matches (like the public/private thread here) do. Be a man and shrug it off. If indeed you expected it, and you say it is no big deal then why get your panties in a wad? As for Austin. He has many believers in OH. Stephen does as well, by the way. I am hopeful that CC can attend SWOWCA. I am more hopeful that CC or at least the Myers boys can make their way to Ironman. Thanks for the suck some OH butt. True class from one of the best. It is comments and actions like this that got you banned from so many sites and kicked out of so many rooms. If you have something to say to all the OH honks why not get on those boards and do it? It serves no purpose here.

Slow down, hombre. I did not read anywhere that folks are laughing at Stephen. As a matter of fact I have never read that. On the other hand, your antics have made for great fodder on many boards in at least two states. No shame in Stephen's loss to Scheidel. Scheidel has come a long way. He was underrated this year as he had no wins against national quality competition. He did however give Mark Hall a good match and was in position to win. He also hung tough against Collica. Congrats to all the Ky boys. Looking at the results from NHSCA and Flonats, it is a bummer to see the talent spread out. Don't get me wrong, both had tough competition. As a fan I would like to see the collection of talent come together. KY's showing at NHSCA should open a few eyes. Keep working hard. This is when champions are made.

Chance Lutes (132), any others?

Per trackwrestling.com the results are not being released to the public yet.

This is a steal of a deal. Make the drive to learn from one of Ohio's and the nation's greats. Remember, it begins in the off season.

Also, check out flo for some great interviews/behind the scenes stuff.

www.flonationals.com Deadline to register is fast approaching. Get after it boys!

Dake makes history, Iowa fans boo. I give props to St John for making the finals. Here's a guy who part way through the season was a questionable starter for the Hawkeyes due to nagging knee issue. True Dake got the lead and put on his track shoes, but St John never set up any type of offense. Iowa fans booing during the interview was classless. Great to hear the rest of the arena drown 'em out with cheers.

That's right. St John to the face all day, seemed like part of the plan was to knock out a contact (sarcasm). Dake warned for stalling shortly thereafter.

Righty.

The Ironman debate is a mute point if the team is not invited. Remember, this is the best tournament in the country, bar none. Pruesse and Co. choose the entire field. The powers that be at CC can petition/request to be invited. The Myers crew has upped CC's profile, however the program needs to define itself. A trip to Ironman is a statement that "We belong on the national stage". CC is not there yet. Baby steps, baby steps. Create a couple of tri-meets with top flight regional talent. Attend Medina, Brecksville, SWOWCA and the like. Dump the crummy events. This is a process that takes years. A high level of success at the youth level is a must. Participation in freestyle and greco is a must. Hitting off season tournaments is a must. If your boys aren't ready/willing to do this, well then forget about it. Look at the credentials of the wrestlers at Ironman. These kids get after it in Fargo, Filas, Super 32, FS/GR state. Many weights are ten to twelve deep with absolute studs. State champs struggle to place. Good points.

Best to put together a strong in season schedule to prepare for the post season. In season schedule should be tougher than the state tournament. In this way, the team will go into the state meet battle tested. They will be able to go beyond their competition, taking them to uncharted waters.

I agree wholeheartedly that it would be great to see your boys here at Ironman. Give Mr Pruesse a call. He will let you in! You have to initiate contact though. As for the entire CC team? Well..........not so fast. You know as well as I do that CC would have 12 kids go 0 and 2, maybe a few would go 1 and 2. Your boys would/should place. You know the drill. Packed house. Must buy all session pass to get a finals ticket. Most weights are a handful deep in national talent. I don't know that it would benefit the entire team though. Not sure that Moeller is in charge of SWOWCA, that is quite an "accusation". I am certain that the other programs in the area (Elder, Mason, Lakota West, and others) would not stand for that. I believe there is a board that governs the event. SWOWCA is a good tournament. Probably the best one in southwest OH. It is comprised primarily of teams from that region though, and many placers don't sniff the podium at state. It makes sense for CC, Simon Kenton, Ryle to attend. Mater Dei used to come. They always brought a bunch of gamers. I used to go to SWOWCA, as I have family in the area. Haven't been in a few years, and I did hear you got a special escort out of the place . You need to look into Medina and Brecksville as well. The other events I see KY teams at are crappy. Sorry but it is true. Fairfield, Reading, Sycamore invites. Really? Come on, jump in the fire. Chase down Soddy Daisy or Fr Ryan in TN. Grab ahold of Mater Dei in IN. Make a home-and-home tri meet out of it. CC, Fr Ryan, Larue, and Ryle. Great event, no? Duals type events are what generate interest both with fans and participation. It brings people out to watch and builds team chemistry. The less talented wrestlers are guaranteed matches, though sometimes the better wrestlers find guys ducking them. You know, like Fahy not showing up. Sorry, couldn't resist. He did grab 4th at Beast this year. Granted it is nowhere near Ironman, but still a great event and he gets props not only for going but also for placing! Enough talk. Get them up here, no excuses. Many kids come to Ironman w/out their team from as far away as California. Hey, place here and Bucksman has to acknowledge it!

Well then that really stinks. There is no reason to bring personal agendas into the rankings as it is nor a personality contest. As for no SWOWCA, I am holding out hope that CC goes. The defending team champs ought to get some kind of preferential treatment.

Mpire, I will agree w/ you that both Bucksman and Brakeman have and show their northern bias. However, look at their accuracy and you will see that they are right far more than they are wrong. As for Bucksman having some sort of agenda against your son. I agree to some point. I will also say that Bucksman had nothing to go on. There were no offseason results, unless I am mistaken. The in season results were against what most would consider lesser opponents. So this makes ranking difficult. The wrestling world knows that your sons are talented. It needs to be shown though. You know as well as anybody that you cannot rest on your laurels.

Bluesdad, I will type this slowly for you. The foremost authorities on ranking Ohio wrestling are Brakeman and Bucksman. Brakeman does a fantastically thorough annual report and Bucksman gives updates throughout the year as well as an in depth state preview. Furthermore, Bucksman (Josh Lowe) is one of the most well respected wrestling analysts on the high school AND collegiate level NATIONWIDE. This OWR you speak of is not nearly as highly regarded AND in its state preview issue it shows Taylor at #5, that is a backwards 2. In addition, the rank is for DII. NOT all divisions. Take a look at DI and you will find a myriad of studs that would thump Taylor something awful. So, Jude layed the wood to OWR #5 Brakeman #6 Bucksman #7 (in DII mind you) Taylor. As an aside, Brakeman mentioned that DII 170 was on the weak side this year. Do yourself a favor and look these up (no sarcasm intended), they are very well written and it is clear these guys have their fingers on the pulse of wrestling. Perhaps Ohio's seeding of the state tournament by district finish has you confused. Sure enough, Taylor came out of Goshen as a top placer. The (1) indicates his finish at district NOT HIS RANK. Taylor has never ever entered state champ consideration.This idea of seeding the state tournament is quite a novel idea. I hope that KY finds it useful to do this in the future. As for my comment that Taylor would fall somewhere in the 13 to 15 range statewide........that may have been generous. I see at least seven DI guys and two DIII guys ahead of him. Add in the four DII guys and that puts Taylor at 14. Concerning Taylor's 3rd place finish. He has the bracket gods to thank for that. He beat #16 and #8 before losing to #1. Then he beat a non ranked kid and the #10 kid to take 3rd. Not an eye opening performance by any stretch. I hope this helps.

Jude is a nice wrestler, as is Taylor. As for rankings though: Brakeman Report Taylor #6 DII, Bucksman has him at #7 DII. DI has a handful of guys that would wreck Taylor, another two or three in DIII. That would put Taylor somewhere around #13 to #15 in the state. However, not that any of this is an exact science, Jude beating Taylor might extrapolate out to a top four finish in OH DII. Nice work Jude. This thread has gone on far too long. I have been hoping that somebody would put something together to contradict my suggested match ups. I was alerted that Moeller sent a team to Simon Kenton in '08 or '09. Some schedule snafu left an open date on their schedule. They sent a team comprised of primarily frosh and JV wrestlers w/ a few upperclassmen and hammered the field. Sorry to be vague on the details, I wasn't given much info. I will have to dig a bit more and get after my Moeller connection, unless someone can shed some light on this.

Not to mention the fact that there are very few full rides for wrestling. I believe the number of schollies available for an entire team is something like 9.9. The vast majority are on partials. The need to travel every off season to Fargo, Super 32, and/or FloNats with the accompanying expense makes the goal of a wrestling scholarship a poor business plan. This does not take into account the in season expenses as well as year 'round training expenses. Wrestling is the most noble of all high school sports. What we take away from the sport is life lessons. Glory fades (and eventually ends up in a storage box), records are broken, names become but a footnote. What remains are the life lessons.

True enough, a few big guns can skew the team results just as having a team of solid wrestlers can win a dual but lay an egg at the state tournament. At state duals Massillon Perry lost a close one to Moeller, however they far outpaced Moeller at state with multiple champs. As for individual events, I looked up the info on Baum's and all I gotta say is a$$ whippin by the OH teams in mediocre tourneys. Moeller duals were the only team event I knew of and it was real ugly for Trinity and St X. Those team lost matches by 50, 60 points. This happened two years in a row. Someone in another discussion noted that those teams were w/out some guys due to football. Must've been the entire team. Hey, I took note of the KY kids that did well in OH. Cooper would be near the top. Yenter would place as high as 2nd. Fahy would hold his own, top six. The Myers kids, in shape would be tough. Stephen wins at 38, 1st or 2nd at 45, 2nd at 52. Austin top four at 95 and 220, quite a feat for a freshman! I am only looking at DI as that is where my focus usually is. Looking at all divisions: KY all stars vs OH DI, looks to be 12-2 OH. DII somewhere between 10-4 and 12-2. DIII looks to be much better, possibly a win for KY 8-6 in matches won. OH all stars vs KY all stars is no closer than 12-2, possible shut out. OH all stars is comprised of a line up fully stocked with nationally ranked wrestlers. Nine are ranked top 5, 13 are top 10. One resides outside the top ten, Suvak from St Eds. Some weights have multiple representation. So, at 120 Yenter gets #1 DiCamillo. Fahy will test his luck against top 3 Nate Skonieczny. 45 finds top ten Collica while 52 has #1 Bo Jordan. Cooper and Myers can flip weights where Myers may beat Collica (did it before) and KY earns the split. The other KY hopeful would be Austin Myers. Does he go 82 and take on one of three top tens in Abounader, Evans, or Gresham? Does he go 95 and face top 20 in Suvak? Bump all the way to 220 and give it a go with top ten Meadows? Austin, surely is not afraid of anybody. He would gladly take the challenge of 82 and face all three in succession if the opportunity presented itself. I am not going to question his bravery. However, a freshman at a big boy class is a tough go. Talent wise he is overmatched by Gresham and Abounader. I don't wanna hear how he tooled anybody at open mats. We all know it is a whole new ballgame when the ref blows the whistle. I believe he has the talent to give Suvak a good match, but he would be giving up too much weight. Same goes for top ten Meadows, though Meadows is too much regardless of weight. So, after further consideration I think a match score of 13-1 with tons of bonus points sounds about right. Stephen Myers over Collica in a great match, possible bonus. The other weights not mentioned? No wrestler outside top five nationally resides here. Final score something like 66-5. Yenter gets majored, Fahy decisioned, S Myers tf Collica, Cooper pinned (sorry this is a no brainer), Austin loses by decision, the others are all bonus.

I read the board that contained the OH vs KY thread. You should have posted there. Certainly KY is coming along, but to think KY (outside of a few select wrestlers) can compete with OH is borderline delusional. It was suggested on the other board to refer to Baum's Page. Look at how the Kentucky teams do in these tournaments. Outside of Coaches Classic and maybe GMV tourney, the other events are quite weak by OH standards. The OH teams placing ahead of KY teams are non factors at the state level. Some of those OH teams that placed ahead of KY teams scored no points and/or sent no wrestlers to the state tournament. KY teams are losing to weak OH teams. I do not mean to belittle KY wrestling, I am just stating fact. If memory serves, KY teams did not cross the river until recently. Keep it up, take your lumps and grow! Look to attend bigger and better events. Brecksville Holiday and Medina come to mind as strong OH events. Do well at these and then we will talk. Moeller is closer to home. They host a great duals tourney. St X and Trinity have gone.

Interesting group of wrestlers this year. I felt, overall (statewide) the talent level was a little down. Not much, but down nonetheless. As for Prodigy, it was a shame the way the southwest has squandered such an incredible opportunity to improve. There seems to be an ever present feeling of inferiority in the southwest. This plays out at the state tourney, the results speak for themselves. Yappi abounds with threads of "How do we improve SW Ohio wrestling". These same guys bickered about Prodigy. A world class opportunity that was wasted on many because they couldn't get along. That is my take on it, albeit from another corner of the state. I do believe you were in on some crap with Root though, no? At one point you referred to him as Coach Rot and blasted him and Springboro high school on Yappi. True enough, I believe Stephen beat a number of wrestlers that placed high. Right now, I do not believe he could beat Bright or Ward. Given a year on the mat Stephen will regain his form (that you admit he lost) and could beat anybody in the state. Looking at this years crop of DI 195s and 220s, I think Austin places top four in either class. "Hater comments"? Never. I have done nothing but praise the boys, and will continue to do so. Perhaps you are confusing my calling you out regarding the fact that you have caused a lot of unnecessary stress and have tried to play yourself the innocent victim. Multiple moves from Moeller-to-Reading-to-Springboro-to-Grant Co-to-Campbell Co all the while blaming the previous school looks fishy, yes? Being banned from messageboards like this, and escorted from gyms looks fishy, yes? So, no hater comments ever. Just reactionary comments to your difficult to decipher big time wrasslin boasting. Wrestling is the most honorable of sports. We are taught to win humbly and lose with grace. Your boys do this. I would guess they learned this from you. Your boys are well mannered. I would guess they learned this from you. It is in you to do the same. The question is can you?