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    I understand having a tournament were everyone can wrestle regardless. Let's call it the Novice state tourney. But then let's also have one that these kids have to qualify for. Saying this it looks like the Ky TOC is doing just that. I just wished our state tournament excited our youth kids to go wrestle in. I believe the state tournament should be the tourney these kids strive to win and bust their tail to be able to call their selfs state champions. Right now it's just like another tournament and not a huge deal to most of the. But I do love the venue it's in and Blue really loves doing the face offs. So regardless of the setup of state Blue will be there the next 3 years until his eligibility runs out.

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    JD u da man and I luv ya 2 man

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    What some are proposing we do is try and fast-forward 10 years and have 32 or 16 man brackets for state tournaments with weigh ins the day off. These parents and coaches are probably the same ones who keeps stats on their 3rd grade wrestler. I completely disagree with this notion. As far as weigh-ins and weight classes go, making any kids not in high school cut weight is a joke in my opinion. These are key developemental years for the kids not years for them to develope unhealthy means and measures to cut weight and try and get an "edge". However it is invevitable and over baring parents will always find ways to cheat the system or have their children cut weight.

     

    My opinion would be to develope set weight classes based off the past 3 years results. That way weight classes would be set long before we get to state and it will allow kids to fit in a more natural weight class, and as far as weigh ins go make them weigh in on Monday night before state. As I mature as an adult and have a family of my own I will get my children into this great sport. As it stands now I would have no hesitation getting them involved with our youth organization. I know in the short future I will probably be coaching a youth team somewhere in this state and with discussions like we are having we are heading in the right direction. Maybe some day in the future I will be in a position like MLee :D

     

    I got one more thing to add.

     

    Bluesdad, I know WV has very strong high school wrestling but their youth and middle school teams are not out of this world good or even that much better than KY teams. I know that your boy spends a lot of time over there, so maybe my observation is a little off but I will go on ahead with it. Over my time as a coach, I have competed against them (WV kids) in  numerous tournaments and had very strong success. Several years ago Derek Wiley went to a national tournament out there in WV and finished second only losing to a kid from PA. In the champion quarters and semi's he had elementary state champs and Derek teched one and majored another. Darian Wolnitzek went undefeated out there that same year. Kids like Andy Wilson, Jacob Warwick, Trevor Thompson, Demarcus and Jermain Moore,and all the Grandstaff boys have dominated all the WV kids they competed against at TOC, Autism, and open tournaments. Ohio on the other hand is a different story all together.

     

    Sorry if I'm a little off based with my comments, I am trying to get caught up with everything going on with the High school forum. Oh and I'm watching the UC/UL game on ESPN.

    Why are you just singling out WV wrestling. Blue spends 70% of his time in northern OH probably 20% in WV 5% in PA and MI and 5% in KY. But I say this he has wrestled a lot of the top kids in Ohio- Heard, Powell, Lugman, Ray, Gessler, White, Kohler, Wiseman and Kellar. He's wrestled most of the top 10U kids in OH and has beat them all. But now Kellar and Wiseman has beat him also but it was last year when he was 8 and wrestled up in age. The only one he hasn't wrestled that I think could and probably would beat him unless he wrestled flawless beat is Suber they just haven't meet up yet. But remember all these kids I'm mentioning are 10 all of them and Blue is 9. This year in youth he's lost one match to a WV kid. Derek Raike beat him 11-10 it was a outstanding match back and forth. So WV youth wrestling isn't as bad as you think right now. Let me say this as you all know we have wrestled kids from all over in more than 5 states. The best kid in the 10 group at 70lbs is from WV his name is Ian Irazarry. The kid is great wished Blue would've meet up with him but there are always in different brackets because of weight. But I think he beats Blue if they wrestle like 6-3 or something similar to that. One more name from WV to throw at ya Josh Humpries. He is a 12 year old 85lb monster. You will here his name in the big time in a few years. While I agree OH is a lot better over all but WV isn't as bad as you think.

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    Money is money my son is blood. Not sure if you have children but I'm sure you wouldn't want someone down playing there accomplishments. That's sort of what ya did in Antoine and about way by saying just SE Ohio and some WV tourney. Well thats how it was taken. If it wasn't meant that way I apologize i took it that way. He is my child and I will defend him if i feel he is threatened.I also want to say the money comment was a lil over board and I apologize for that also.

    But again I said if I was going to I didn't say I have. But I have spoken to one of the top pediatricians in the nation from the Cleveland clinic regarding Blue on many different subjects. Those I will keep private. But for you to think I would do anything that may hurt my son is ludicrous. You don't know me and if you did you would know exactly what cautions are taken with Blue and his health. There's more there than meets the eye so I have to be careful. But you need not worry he is taken well care off on this end and nothing will jeopardize that.

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    "Let the kid and their parents choose where they want to wrestle and slot them in there"....this is exactly the problem. Blue is how old? Kids his age should touch a scale at his NATURAL weight and go wrestle against other kids at their NATURAL weight. A parent or a coach should have nothing to do with what weight class he should wrestle. This is EXACTLY the mindset 10% protects against.

    Just because you compete at some tournaments in SE Ohio and WV that use set weights doesn't make it more competitive or better. I assure you Blue would have his hand full winning most of the tournaments we attend in Cincinnati that do use 10%. We had a middle school runner-up on our youth team at Blue's weight, that didn't win a single youth tournament across the river and went 0-2 in at least one of them. Our kid is a stud, but its a different world over there, regardless of 10% or set weight classes.

    Your comment about the money is WAY off base. We could move to weight classes tomorrow and it wouldn't affect the income generated at state. I promise you our motivation isn't money. We'd rather not have been involved with the state tournament this year. The money raised was surprisingly good this year, but we don't need money for our program. We do other things to finance the club and we are in good shape.

    Blue is 9. No he doesn't cut weight. He wrestles youth tournaments at the 75lb class and weights in at 71lb every weekend. So if I was going to cut him He would make 70. He is my child and for me to make decisions for not you. But I appreciate your concern.

    First off we don't just wrestle in SE Ohio. We have been to Cleveland, Akron, Medina, Minerva, and many more northern tournaments were wrestling is king. Blue has placed in everyone of them. The worst he has placed this year and last is third and that was at a WV tourney in St. Albans. So dont think we just go to Chesapeake and wrestle every weekend because that's not the case at all.

    Now for your Cincinnati tournaments. We have been to the court for sports tournament and a couple others in the Mason area. he has beat every kid they have threw at him. Heard, Powell, Lugman and so on. So I agree the kids are great in this area and Blue does have his hands full but he works his tail off to get better. That's why we travel 6-7 hours a weekend to wrestle in Cleveland and Akron not to mention PA and MI. You can assure your self he is wrestling the best competition he can for a 9 year old. Now is he goingto always win NO. He hasn't this year and will more than likely lose again when we go to some of these other tough tournaments were going to. He's lost his fair share and understands he's not going to always win. But does he go into a match with the mind set he's better than the kid across from him? Sure. I teach him that as I should. But will that always be the case no it will not. All I'm trying to say is this we travel and try to give him Every advantage we can. While doing this I feel the set weights and weight classes are better suited for better competition. Now am I right some think so some think not. But that's why we all have a opinion. But I dont understand why you were so snide in your remarks about my son and where or how heavy he wrestles. He is a 9 year old boy who loves wrestling and works his tail off at it. He's doing it 6 sometimes 7 days a week putting in his time and here you are trying to down play his efforts. Hopefully in the future(say 6 or 7 years from now) we can pick this conversation back up after he is atop a podium and all his hard work and sacrifice has payed off. Thanks again.

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    We will agree to disagree I guess. I'm not saying you have to weight in the morning of just maybe the thursday or Friday before not a week or 2 prior to the tournament. Yes weight classes are by far the best way to go IMO not the 10% rule. Kentucky is the only state that Blue attends youth tournaments and they use the 10% rule. Make weight classes let the kids and their parents choose were they want to wrestle and slot them in there. Not this 10% gray area rule. This way you know the weights the kids are wrestling. But I guess it really doesn't matter. Blue will show up and wrestle regardless of the age and weight rules. I just can't see letting him miss his youth state championship tournament. But do I wish we had set weight classes and weigh ins? Of course as we all should if were not more concerned about the money.

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    That "most" Kentucky youth kids can't hang with the youth kids from surrounding states. Notice I said most there are the few that can. Are youth state tourney should be the major tourney these kids are working Hobson all year. But for the best youth kids it isn't that big of a deal theyd rather wrestle and win the TOC, Viper Pits, and battle for the belt(Barberton Oh) than their state championship.

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    Not every 9 year old has been wrestling for 3+ years and has MS experience like Blue.  Most of these kids are in their 1st or 2nd year and only practice 2 days a week.  They still struggle w/ locking hands, reaching back, illegal moves, and the anxiety of live wrestling. I'd hate to have some over-zealous referree calling stalling on 6 year olds! 

     

    If MS/HS rules are what you prefer, then don't wrestle youth tournaments anymore. 

    Yeah your probably right. But our middle school team isn't wrestling any longer this year. So I have no choice but to take him to youth tournaments.

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    Yeah I have a copy of the rule book. No I'm not a certified referee. I'm sure I'm wrong sometimes. But I'm not getting paid to make all the right calls. I'm sure I've been wrong on some occasions and the ref was right but I'm sure it has been vice versa as well. I just feel most not all refs make a call and don't want to hear anything about it. But when I'm out hundreds of dollars on a weekend driving 400 miles to let my son wrestle I don't think it's right for a youn official to blow a call to cost Blue a match.

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    Oh 9/10 year olds know what stalling is for sure. Blue is 9 and he knows when it happens, when to do it, and were to wrestle on the mat. All weekend at state he was yelling at the high school kids for stalling and fleeing the mat. We got to give some of these kids a little more credit. Their smart and understand the sport they put so much time and effort into.

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    So the age of some seniors.

    Reff68- I'm sure you do it for the love of it but you guys do get payed pretty dang on good for your time aswell. Saying that it's still not enough for me to take the abuse you guys take. I just wish when a official made a mistake they would own up to it. That would be easier to swollow then a ref never thinking they are in the wrong. But most do a good job overall but they are some that ave no idea what's going on.