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22 hours ago, JKennedy said:The cost of any of these arenas should be drastically reduced for KHSAA as they are all part of State Funded Educational Institutions. To be even more pointed, KHSAA has Rupp Arena for the KY High School Basketball championship Sweet 16 scheduled for 4 days. Wrestling doesn't require 4 consecutive days, so cost shouldn't be legitimate reason to deny the venue.
Yum center and Rupp arena are not part of the Universities. They are private enterprise. Diddle is part of WKU.
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I wonder if there would be a Title IX issue with having girls as 16 bracket and boys at 32 bracket now that both are sanctioned. Probably could for the first few years use the participation level % to get around it but it could be an issue.
Im also wondering what the Horse Park charge is now to put down that floor, I know what it was the last year there.
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2 hours ago, Tapout said:The KHSAA is NOT a business!!
They are a NON PROFIT ORGANIZATION!!!!!!!
WITH A $3.2m BUDGET…..
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1 hour ago, rjs4470 said:I believe you can find the P&L’s for the sweet 16 somewhere out there. The last financial statement I could find (2018)’showed total expenses of $465k for the boys Sweet 16. So it looks like they might have. Not to mention they do over $1M in ticket sales, and who know how much in sponsorship so they can certainly afford to pay that much for that event.
Sometimes I know what I am talking about, sometimes.
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18 minutes ago, rjs4470 said:I would say most of that rental fee comes from the $30 they charge per wrestler. That would be almost $50k in entry fees between MS and Youth.
I would bet for the weekend rental was $20K ish, maybe a tad less with it being back to back days.
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34 minutes ago, GentleBeard said:I’m not sure what Corbin Arena charges, but middle school and youth were held over a weekend. There were over 1,300 youth wrestlers competing and they were done by 7pm the same day (Strayer, Carr and crew did a phenomenal job). I realize there are different rule sets for high school and middle school regarding competition. My point is, Corbin Arena was big enough to accommodate 1,300 wrestlers + parents and 10 mats. If KYUSA has it in their budget to run a tournament like that, while sparing no expense for medals, I’m pretty sure KHSAA has the budget for it as well. Makes you wonder how much they’ve pocketed since COVID. Guaranteed, the profit margins have been gigantic over the last couple of years. If they plan to run it remotely (can’t imagine how efficient that is), then venue location is immaterial.
Just one thing to keep in mine is that they did youth in 3 sessions I believe. Everyone wasn't there all at the same time. Comparing 448 HS Wrestlers to 1300 youth isnt the same comparison. Now operations wise the way things were done maybe there is some comparison.
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3 hours ago, gator1 said:$80 for a 2-day pass is a lot cheaper than travel, hotels, gate, and concession eating for 2 weekends in a row with semi-state.
If you were to host at YUM or Rupp 80 to 100 a day would be probably what the pass would have to be. Remember 15K plus wont be there to pack the place that can help keep the cost down. Reminder the horse park at max capacity was under 6000 people.
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4 hours ago, DrBaker said:Seems to me that a college could donate their arena and keep concessions or?
Moorehead, Lindsay Wilson, Wesleyan, Bellarmine, Midway, Northern, Murray? Couldn’t those others free up one weekend?
Didn’t Pikeville say they’d donate? It’s a long drive for West Ky, but it’s very nice.For paid attendance events most do not / can not due to risk management policies. Now can they discount yes they can charge whatever they want, but most have a minimum.
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1 hour ago, BigBossMan said:Do you think the KHSAA pays 4 days x $30,000 for Rupp Arena?
I know exactly what they pay, but they also have a sponsor that offsets those cost of the arena.
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3 hours ago, Ucbcoach said:Just a few places across the state that could hold a 32 man bracket. I understand only 1 of those most would consider "centrally located" but wouldn't we sacrifice location for quality? Some would also depend on basketball not being in town that weekend.
Freedom Hall--Louisville
SportsCenter-Owensboro
Corbin Arena-Corbin
Diddle Arena-Bowling Green
Appalachian Wireless Arena-Pikeville
McBrayer Arena-Richmond
CFSB Center-Murray
Freedom hall is out its already contracted out for the days of state tournament.
Diddle is out as well due to WKU Basketball still playing.
EKU and Memorial are about to be remodeled and are out for the the the next few years, but even though you would have basketball issues there.
The rest I cant answer for but someone call the AD's office and ask what it cost to rent the place. Id say its minimum $10k to 15K a day.
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3 hours ago, JKennedy said:KFC Yum Center
Rupp Arena
E.A. Diddle Arena
All in the center of the state
Yum Center $35K a day to rent
Rupp Arena $30K a day to rent
Diddle $20K a day to rent
All three have basketball conflicts as well so It would be a juggling act. but trust me, cant happen at these three, cost way to much.
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The key issue is where, where is big enough.
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8 hours ago, DrBaker said:Most teams don’t care that much about it. Their focus is regionals in 2 weeks.
There are always teams out there that want to dodge competition, teams could always choose not to participate, next team up.
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8 hours ago, Ranger123 said:I could get on board with that. Then 3 divisions top 4 from each creates a second 12 team event. That could be a fire event where every round has excitement. 3rd and 4th weekends of January.
Yep, like I said, be great if there was an extra week in the schedule to do it. I get why it would be hard in current schedule format.
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Its a shame there is not another week in the schedule you could make this a 2 weekend event. Weekend 1 wrestle for division championships. Weekend 2, top 4 in each division wrestle in an overall championship.
Just a thought
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On 9/2/2022 at 1:36 PM, DrBaker said:Ricketts is back. Union is wrestling In Wisconsin that weekend.
I think its funny who the comment is "Scheduling a wrestling tournament during football season" and yet, see above.
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On 9/21/2022 at 2:49 PM, Ranger123 said:Good point that space is fairly tight at GRC. But my guess is this is an issue that the KYWCA could help work out with KHSAA. Similar to the officials seating area I'm sure some space could be found for a dozen or so chairs to accommodate college coaches hospitality.
You know better, unless one of the college coaches offers up a free arena for the tournament they wont get a thing.
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Come on, only 12 have voted to this point.
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I have to just laugh.
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I have an idea to help this along.
1. You need 6-8 dedicated coaches to lead this up.
2. You need 4 dates (3 Regional dates, 1 state date)
3. You have 3 regional FR/GR mini camps that the end of the camp is a mini tournament, no awards or anything, but a test run. (like one person posted, his kids were hesitant, give them a place to do a trial run) - Maybe charge 20 bucks or something small.
Examples: Etown, Lexington, NKY (move them around how you need too.
4. Then you have the state tournament, awards the whole shebang.
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We always did a best practice partner award. We also had a group of awards we let the wrestlers vote on and took that under consideration.
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1 hour ago, VisionQuest said:I find it hard to believe with all the high schools available in the Louisville area 1 wouldn’t allow you to host the Region 3 tournament. Numbers were low, you could have held it in a middle school.
Your talking about a district that cancel sports seasons in 2020 and 2021, you think they will let teams use facilities?
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Bluegrass State Games
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Event hasn't happened yet. It is this coming weekend.