Ranger123
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Pappy - I have to disagree with the #3. Yes, Harrison finished higher at the 5 star, but with that format you can't totally believe the team scores. South Oldham had Campbell Co in their pool vs John Hardin for Harrison, not exactly equal competition. Head to head I definitely give the advantage to South Oldham. Also, go back a couple weeks and South Oldham dominated the Conner tournament (including Harrison). But I agree with all else. It should be a great dual tournament. Exciting re-match between Woodford and Larue in the finals. But a lot of work and tough teams to beat to get there.
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So where did he finish at TCI?
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colonel130 - thanks!
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KYVA84 - I don't know. That's the sort of thing that I rely on you guys to tell me. Thanks!
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So Spencer has decided to drop?
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Not too bad for a down year in Region 6. Right now, 3 teams in my top 16 (Ryle #8, Campbell Co. #9, Simon Kenton #16).
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I just wanted to clarify my comment. I wasn't specifically pointing out Trinity and St X. I don't think those guys seek special treatment at all. I just think those closest to coach Coomes seem to get a lot of attention.
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I'm going to start off my post this week with a brief editorial. How can we expect to increase the suppport of our sport and grow interest if we don't support it ourselves. This weekend was one of the better meets of the regular season, the 5 star classic, which featured 4 of my top 10 teams and numerous highly ranked individuals. BUT, as far as I can see, received absolutely no media coverage. At a minimum there should be a piece in the box scores if not an article discussing the great matchups, including top out-of-state competition. But no, we blow a chance to get our kids names in the paper and the recognition they deserve. I guess it is more important to save that space for the early rounds of the Australian Open or local bowling league scores.
OK. Not many changes this week. Shake-ups at 135 and 140. Larue has moved into a dead heat with South Oldham for #2. As usual, thanks for all of the input and enjoy!
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Way Co Travis Sullivan
Un Co Adam Carr
Wood Co Shane Parks
Tri Dan Smith
Whit Co Dalton Evans
NO Andre Zeppa
PD Jon Voth
Lar Co Tritsten Hines
Sen Elliott Martin
Bull Cen Badgett
Mc Cen Daniel Bowling
SK Robbie Vaughn
Ryle Casey Chitwood
FC Tommy Warren
SO Paul Huhnke
Con TJ Bates
Scott Steve Supe
Cam Co Priscila Brownfield
And Co Ben Joseph
NH Brandon Wilder
112
Wood Co Coty Lewis
JC Cory Spencer
Eas Joaquin Luna
Un Co Chance Puckett
Way Co Coty Vinsant
HC Matt Zarth
Lar Co Lucas Carmen
CH Mason Bradbury
NH Josh Johnson
NO Antonio Zeppa
Doss Alan Marksbury
Cam Co Korey Shotwell
Scott Gabe Supe
Tri Jacob Barton
PRP J. Higgs
SO Steve Vaughn
Mon Co Ross Carpenter-Frasier
Con Matt O'Bryan
FC Josh Burkett
Sou Patrick Lile
119
FC Caleb Wood
PD Tyler Voth
SO Daniel Murner
Wood Co John Smith
Old Co Eric Warner
JH Justin Pitcher
Un Co Isaac Ervin
Sen John Chui
And Co Clayton Stocker
Way Co Bryan Daniels
Cald Co Tanner Leach
St X Nick Norwood
Mc Cen Derek Corder
SK Dusty Brown
PRP Corey Mills
Cam Co Talon Deinlein
Hop Brian Toliver
Lar Co Darwin Perez
Sou Wes Corbin
NO Thompson
125
SO Derek Scott
Old Co Ben Warner
Mc Cen Eric Bryant
JH Cassidy Veach
Lar Co Stacy Miller
St X Tyler Baines
NH Matt Eck
Har Co Jacob Kendall
Con Rashad Brown
Laf Ryan Traylor
FC Derek Branch
Eas Bobby Suell
Fair Mike Seeders
Sou Louis Ashley
Moore Crayton McCain
PRP Don Phillips
Sen Dan Fuller
Ryle Corey Rahe
Des Mack Poole
Per Co Cen Charles Turner
130
Lar Co Ozzy Parker
Ryle Bryan Peace
SC Brandon Howard
Cam Co Ben Rust
Tri Mike Bowlds
Wood Co Steven Butler
FC Malcolm Jackson
Har Co Bryan Wasson
Eas Paul Marks
Cald Co Marcus Coleman
Chr Co Jake Skinner
NO Tom Kusnir
Des Meirnan Maguire
Scott Don Graven
St X Luke Wortley
Moore Justin Smith
JC Jammie Kestner
Sen Zach Poulton
SO Taso Theoatrous
Per Co Cen Alfred Collins
135
Law Co Jacob Murton
JC Anthony Patrick
TC Nick Griggs
Lar Co Matt Miller
Tri Ben Case
Har Co Josh Ashbrook
Wood Co Chad Scott
SO Cody Hall
Chr Co Cameron Bibbs
Con Ryan Dillon
NH Chris Range
FC Tyler Weldon
Scott Chad Ryder
AB Trace Stafford
Des Tommy Mckenna
Cen A. Glover
St X Cory Kress
Sen Darren Jennings
Fr Co Ryan Tingle
Eas Blake Kraft
140
Scott Daniel Thueneman
Ft Camp Matt Mines
Hol John Golsby
Laf Nick Coomer
Jeff Aubrey Hayes
Lar Co Evan Smith
Sou Joe Powers
FC Kevin Stewart
Ohio Co Wesley Kiper
Fr Co Phillip Jones
Un Co Miles Risinger
Har Co Beau Sanders
And Co Jacob Spaulding
PD Mark Goldfarb
HC Nick Cooper
NH Jerry Ledford
Bal David Burks
Cam Co Brandon Dennison
Sen Ricky Wright
Cen Cory Knox
145
Wood Co Harrison Courtney
SK Josh Cooper
Lar Co Patrick Banks
Ryle Rob Aylor
Cam Co Brian Wilson
Un Co Mitch Ervin
FC Ben Barger
SO Bryan Ford
St X Chip Condon
Vall Daniel Rader
PD Nick Quigley
DH Bob Woods
Way Co Tim Winchester
Cen Eddrick Beasley
Tri Alex Shearer
NH Johnivon Oggs
Jeff P. White
JH Anthony Felli
TC Jamal Mohammed
Bal Mike Armstrong
152
SK Austin Cooper
FC John Wolsiefer
Lar Co Scott Wheeler
Cald Co Cody Traylor
Way Co Joey Sanders
Sen Shandon Hooper
Wood Co Justin Mays
DH Brad Denham
TC Shane Young
Har Co Ryan Ross
NH Ty Wolf
CH Joe Collin
Cam Co Tom Brownfield
Con Taylor Casson
SO Ben Greco
Tri Allen Tomassetti
Hol Nik Webb
Mc Cen Randy Vanover
Ryle Eric Valdez
Man Yeremy Krivoshey
160
Wood Co Chad Fyffe
Cam Co Jacob Hildreth
DH Tony King
Lar Co Bryant Barnhill
Cald Co Cody Walls
SO Andrew Taylor
Per Co Cen Tim Jones
Sen Travis Poulton
Tri Alan Reuff
PD Rob Baumgardner
SC Adam Dials
Sou Josh Meredith
CH Brian Roberts
SK Brandon Kirk
Mc Cen Randall Stevens
JH Chris Pitcher
HC Chris Alexander
Moore James Schneider
St X Neil Greenwell
FC Alex Weiss
171
Wood Co Will Starks
NH Mark Jones
Eas Ben Rupp
Har Co Gary Doyle
AB Cody Zacur
SC Ryan Kelly
SO Ryan Houchens
PD Sheridan Likoy
Lar Co Kyle Carmen
Tri John Florence
Whit Co Jaron Singley
And Co Robert Dillhoff
Ryle Mason Reid
Sen Matt White
St X Billy Coots
Fair Galwyn Harris
Vall Ben Risen
Scott Hudson Rison
Old Co Peter Golemboski
FC Kyle Hardin
189
Wood Co Richard Starks
Old Co Alex Wenninger
Ryle Greg Ashworth
Mc Cen Jacob Watson
HC Zack Guiler
Lar Co Jake Shipp
Apollo Matt Green
FC Deon Chaney
Tri Grant Laswell
PD Douglas Winter
Scott Michael Haught
SO Cameron Hartman
CH Terry Turner
Vall Joe Raleigh
DH Steve Benson
Hend Co Bryson Hatchett
Doss Brandon Carter
And Co Matt Franklin
TC Adam Griggs
Bal Lane Ackman
215
SO Taylor Scherer
Wood Co Matt Byrd
Con Dale Stone
Old Co Daniel Martinko
Eas Aaron Wise
Lar Co Joe Embree
NH Steven Dow
Har Co Travis Aubrey
Mc Cen Tanen Roe
SC Justin Chaffin
Sen Jordan Dockery
Des Reinhold Leicht
Doss Derrick Nickel
SK Josh McDaniel
AB Andrew Dillon
JH Jesse Kerrison
Dun Hunter Eade
Cam Co Billy Fuller
Tri Dillon Hollin
Cen R. Wesley
275
Tri Mike Clark
Wood Co Kyle Goodrich
Pad Til Bryan Hall
Ohio Co Adam Burdin
CH Daniel Craig
PRP Jason Hardin
SO Kirk Alwardt
Un Co Robert Dunn
Fair Robby Brown
Old Co Josh Young
New Devon Boxx
Scott Adam Patterson
NH Matt Ballinger
Cen Corey Peters
SC Jon Wells
Mc Cen Chris Espinoza
Vall Will Smith
Ft Knox Anthony Bailey
Way Co Brandon Bell
Des John Wise
1 Woodford County
2 Larue County
3 South Oldham
4 Fern Creek
5 Trinity (Louisville)
6 Union County
7 Oldham County
8 Ryle
9 Campbell County
10 North Hardin
11 Harrison County
12 Wayne County
13 Sheldon Clark
14 Paul Dunbar
15 Eastern
16 Simon Kenton
17 Johnson Central
18 Caldwell County
19 McCreary Central
20 Seneca
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130
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I agree as well, but my point was that he has a better shot at 130, though slim.
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130
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My guess is that Howard's goal is to win, not place 2nd.
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130
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chief - I'll give you the top couple of guys are really, really good at 130, but come on, let's be realistic. They are not Jacob Murton. And I'm not saying he is unbeatable. I'm just saying 999 out of 1000 matches he's going to win easily. Not so for Parker and Peace.
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pld - before last year Harrison stunk it up in Frankfort. Last season was the first time that they really put up any points.
I did coach in this state for a few years. That experience hasn't given me a lot of respect for the KWCA. From what I can tell it is an organization in name only. It really accomplishes very little and is doing nothing to contribute to the growth of wrestling in KY.
eville - as far as my methodology, it depends on what you are trying to gauge. My intent was to show if the regions are balanced historically. In any given year there will be fluctuations (region 6 is down a little this season, but still darn good). But over a number of years, which should actually be longer than 6, are the strength of the regions reasonably balanced. I would say not even close. Based on this, it looks like Region 6 is sending #3 and #4 seeds that are winning a lot of matches and probably leaves a lot of #5 guys at home that could have pulled at least a #3 in other regions.
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For those of you who do not appreciate my weekly rankings, I have developed something more scientific. I know there has been discussion on here before about what region is the toughest. And people have looked at the number of placers by region and top teams just to name a couple of methods. Well, this is something that has my interest as well and I believe some re-alignment is in order, but we will save that for another day. For your information, I am a true numbers guy. I have a degree in Statistics and spend my days working with numbers and using historical data to make predictions about what will happen in the future. That said, I think the best way to evaluate the strength of the 8 regions is state tournament scoring. All regions are on a level playing field with the opportunity to send the 4 best competitors at each weight class. This actually gives the weaker regions a slight advantage as tougher kids may finish 5th in a hard region. But, the regions that put up the most points should be the toughest. I only have good results for the past 6 years (I adjusted the scores using statistician magic for the years before the field was expanded to 32), but here is what I have found:
Points
Region 6 3,105
Region 7 2,617
Region 5 2,149
Region 2 2,087
Region 4 2,035
Region 8 2,012
Region 1 1,810
Region 3 947
Region 6 has been the dominant region with Campbell Co., Ryle, Simon Kenton, Conner, Scott, and Dixie Heights scoring in the top 25. Next is Region 7 with Woodford Co., Henry Clay, and Dunbar in the top 20. Region 5 has South Oldham, Eastern, Fern Creek, and Oldham Co. in the top 25. Region 3 only has 3 teams in the top 35 (PRP #29, Desales #30, and Valley #32). I think this shows a lot of evidence that Region 3 is not on par with the other regions. I am not saying there are no good wrestlers in western Jefferson County, but the guys are not pulling their weight when they get to Frankfort.
Of course many people will make the argument that some regions are skewed because of the success of one team, such as Woodford Co. in Region 7. So I re-calculated the point totals eliminating the top team in each region and the results are very similar. Region 2 has the largest drop-off (without Larue Co.) and Region 1 moves up due to its balance. Again Region 6 is the dominant region and Region 3 lags behind.
Points
Region 6 2,108
Region 7 1,467
Region 5 1,393
Region 1 1,347
Region 8 1,341
Region 4 1,220
Region 2 1,184
Region 3 756
So I next eliminated the top 2 teams in each region with the same results.
Points
Region 6 1,439
Region 1 990
Region 7 953
Region 5 935
Region 8 853
Region 2 843
Region 4 625
Region 3 576
And again with the top 3 eliminated.
Points
Region 6 804
Region 1 794
Region 8 679
Region 7 635
Region 2 520
Region 5 538
Region 3 409
Region 4 140
The bottom line is Region 6 is the cream of the crop from top to bottom (tough for me to say growing up and wrestling in Region 7 country) and Region 3 needs some help. As of now, it does look like Region 6 has come back to the pack for this season and Region 7 looks tough. Unless some guys really step up in the next month, Region 3 will again trail the pack.
Region 7 590
Region 5 581
Region 2 466
Region 6 403
Region 1 339
Region 8 338
Region 4 239
Region 3 91
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Someone else said that Griggs won 135 @ TCI. Still looking for reliable results from TCI.
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git'r'done - I knew about Howard, but wanted to give him another week of starving to see if he stays.
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I have expanded the rankings to the top 20 at each weight class. And I will admit that #15-20 at a few weights is pretty questionable. But that just gives us more to talk about on the forum. Anyway, I was out of town this past weekend and the results were less than detailed, so let me know if I missed anything.
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Way Co Travis Sullivan
Un Co Adam Carr
Wood Co Shane Parks
PD Jon Voth
Tri Dan Smith
Whit Co Dalton Evans
Sen Elliott Martin
FC Tommy Warren
Ryle Casey Chitwood
NO Andre Zeppa
Bull Cen Badgett
Con TJ Bates
SO Paul Huhnke
Scott Steve Supe
Mc Cen Daniel Bowling
Cam Co Priscila Brownfield
And Co Ben Joseph
NH Brandon Wilder
PRP Nick Reichmuth
Ft K Arthur Ohmes
112
Wood Co Coty Lewis
JC Cory Spencer
Eas Joaquin Luna
Un Co Chance Puckett
Way Co Coty Vinsant
NO Antonio Zeppa
HC Matt Zarth
CH Mason Bradbury
NH Josh Johnson
Doss Alan Marksbury
Cam Co Korey Shotwell
Scott Gabe Supe
Lar Co Tritsten Hines
Tri Jacob Barton
PRP J. Higgs
Sou Patrick Lile
SO Steve Vaughn
Mon Co Ross Carpenter-Frasier
Con Matt O'Bryan
FC Josh Burkett
119
FC Caleb Wood
PD Tyler Voth
SO Daniel Murner
Wood Co John Smith
Old Co Eric Warner
JH Justin Pitcher
Un Co Isaac Ervin
Sen John Chui
Lar Co Lucas Carmen
And Co Clayton Stocker
Way Co Bryan Daniels
Cald Co Tanner Leach
St X Nick Norwood
SK Dusty Brown
PRP Corey Mills
Cam Co Talon Deinlein
Hop Brian Toliver
Sou Wes Corbin
Vall C. Rader
Scott Ethan Miller
125
SO Derek Scott
Old Co Ben Warner
Mc Cen Eric Bryant
JH Cassidy Veach
Wood Co Rusty Parks
Lar Co Stacy Miller
St X Tyler Baines
Con Rashad Brown
NH Matt Eck
Har Co Jacob Kendall
Laf Ryan Traylor
Eas Bobby Suell
FC Derek Branch
Moore Crayton McCain
Sou Louis Ashley
Sen Dan Fuller
Fair Mike Seeders
Ryle Corey Rahe
Des Mack Poole
SC Marcum
130
Lar Co Ozzy Parker
Ryle Bryan Peace
Cam Co Ben Rust
Tri Mike Bowlds
Wood Co Steven Butler
FC Malcolm Jackson
Cald Co Marcus Coleman
Har Co Bryan Wasson
AB Trace Stafford
NO Tom Kusnir
Eas Paul Marks
Des Meirnan Maguire
Scott Don Graven
Moore Justin Smith
Sen Zach Poulton
SO Taso Theoatrous
Sou Hunter Durden
Way Co James Kilburn
JH Shane Warren
And Co Shane Carey
135
Law Co Jacob Murton
Har Co Josh Ashbrook
SC Brandon Howard
Lar Co Matt Miller
Tri Ben Case
SO Cody Hall
Wood Co Chad Scott
Chr Co Cameron Bibbs
NH Chris Range
Con Ryan Dillon
Scott Chad Ryder
FC Tyler Weldon
Des Tommy Mckenna
Cen Glover
Sen Darren Jennings
Fr Co Ryan Tingle
Eas Blake Craft
Fair Jake Kruetzer
Laf Carlos Gomez
Ft Camp Rob Caracillo
140
Scott Daniel Thueneman
Har Co Beau Sanders
Ft Camp Matt Mines
Hol John Golsby
Lar Co Evan Smith
Jeff Aubrey Hayes
Sou Joe Powers
FC Kevin Stewart
Ohio Co Wesley Kiper
Fr Co Phillip Jones
Un Co Miles Risinger
Laf Nick Coomer
PD Mark Goldfarb
TC Nick Griggs
And Co Jacob Spaulding
HC Nick Cooper
NH Jerry Ledford
Bal David Burks
Cam Co Brandon Dennison
JC Anthony Patrick
145
Wood Co Harrison Courtney
SK Josh Cooper
Cam Co Brian Wilson
Ryle Rob Aylor
Lar Co Patrick Banks
Un Co Mitch Ervin
Way Co Tim Winchester
FC Ben Barger
SO Bryan Ford
St X Richard Condon
Vall Daniel Rader
PD Nick Quigley
DH Bob Woods
Cen Eddrick Beasley
Tri Alex Shearer
NH Johnivon Oggs
JH Anthony Felli
Man Yeremy Krivoshy
TC Jamal Mohammed
Bal Mike Armstrong
152
SK Austin Cooper
FC John Wolsiefer
Lar Co Scott Wheeler
Cald Co Cody Traylor
Way Co Joey Sanders
Sen Shandon Hooper
Wood Co Justin Mays
DH Brad Denham
NH Ty Wolf
TC Shane Young
Har Co Ryan Ross
CH Joe Collins
Cam Co Tom Brownfield
Con Taylor Casson
SO Ben Greco
Tri Allen Tomassetti
Hol Nik Webb
Mc Cen Randy Vanover
Ryle Eric Valdez
Hend Co Michael Helsley
160
Wood Co Chad Fyffe
Lar Co Bryant Barnhill
Cald Co Cody Walls
Cam Co Jacob Hildreth
SO Andrew Taylor
SC Adam Dials
Sen Travis Poulton
PD Rob Baumgardner
Sou Josh Meredith
DH Tony King
CH Brian Roberts
SK Brandon Kirk
Mc Cen Randall Stevens
JH Chris Pitcher
HC Chris Alexander
Moore James Schneider
St X Neil Greenwell
FC Alex Weiss
Eas Brian Banbury
Ryle Clint Hovecamp
171
Wood Co Will Starks
Eas Ben Rupp
Har Co Gary Doyle
SC Ryan Kelly
NH Mark Jones
SO Ryan Houchens
PD Sheridan Likoy
AB Cody Zacur
Lar Co Kyle Carmen
Tri John Florence
Whit Co Jaron Singley
And Co Robert Dillhoff
Ryle Mason Reid
Sen Matt White
St X Billy Coots
Vall Ben Risen
Scott Hudson Rison
Cen Collier
Old Co Peter Golemboski
FC Kyle Hardin
189
Wood Co Richard Starks
Old Co Alex Wenninger
Ryle Greg Ashworth
Mc Cen Jacob Watson
HC Zack Guiler
PD Douglas Winter
Lar Co Jake Shipp
Apollo Matt Green
FC Deon Chaney
Tri Grant Laswell
Scott Michael Haught
SO Cameron Hartman
CH Terry Turner
DH Steve Benson
Vall Joe Raleigh
Hend Co Bryson Hatchett
Doss Brandon Carter
And Co Matt Franklin
TC Adam Griggs
Bal Lane Ackman
215
SO Taylor Scherer
Wood Co Matt Byrd
Con Dale Stone
NH Steven Dow
Lar Co Joe Embree
Old Co Daniel Martinko
Eas Aaron Wise
Har Co Travis Aubrey
Mc Cen Tanen Roe
SC Justin Chaffin
Sen Jordan Dockery
Des Reinhold Leicht
Doss Derrick Nickel
Cen Jake Westley
SK Josh McDaniel
AB Andrew Dillon
JH Jesse Kerrison
Dun Hunter Eade
Cam Co Billy Fuller
Tri Dillon Hollin
275
Tri Mike Clark
Wood Co Kyle Goodrich
Pad Til Bryan Hall
Ohio Co Adam Burdin
CH Daniel Craig
SO Kirk Alwardt
New Devon Boxx
PRP Jason Hardin
Fair Robby Brown
Old Co Josh Young
Scott Adam Patterson
NH Matt Ballinger
Cen Corey Peters
SC Jon Wells
Mc Cen Chris Espinoza
SK Andrew Damico
Vall Will Smith
Ft Knox Anthony Bailey
Way Co Brandon Bell
Des Wise
1 Woodford County
2 South Oldham
3 Larue County
4 Fern Creek
5 Trinity (Louisville)
6 Harrison County
7 Paul Dunbar
8 Union County
9 Oldham County
10 Ryle
11 Sheldon Clark
12 Wayne County
13 Campbell County
14 Caldwell County
15 Seneca
16 North Hardin
17 Conner
18 Eastern
19 Simon Kenton
20 McCreary Central
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SK has a tournament that is coming up this weekend and Dixie holds one in early Feb.
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That's a change. I was in the coaches association for over 2 years and never saw a single email from Coomes. Maybe my input wasn't as important as the guys from Trinity and St X and the like even though I was a paying member head coach.
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wrestler05,
I think Southern will be more of a force than St X or Central.
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WCI
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Not to discount their chances this year (though I think Woodford will be unstoppable in February) he may have his best opportunity for that team title next year.
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bulldog - don't forget Austin Cooper @ 152
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WCI
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I with you pioneer. I didn't see him, but from what I hear, Trice was one of the best without argument. And that's what it took to pull off that sort of feat (a freshman winning at a higher weight class). Add to that the competition at 145 this year. But Courtney has a lot of work to do this year and the next 3.
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There are always others on the list, but I have limited it to a certain number each week. For example, I have 25 guys on my list at 112, but only 18 at 130. But to limit the variation from week to week I want to wait and see more results before I expand to more and more. I am also collecting roster information on all teams (I currently have a decent roster for about 53 teams) so I could theoretically rank every team at every weight. But there are two good reasons not to do it. First, that would take a lot more time to get it right. Second, I don't think it would benefit anyone to show that John Doe who wrestles for Team X is the worst wrestler in the state at 125. He probably knows that he stinks and doesn't need to see it on here.
To finally answer your question, yes, the newly ranked guys are there for a reason.
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WCI
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Agree. If he can pull off the 4x champ feat, he gets my vote. Especially considering who he will have to go through (at least at this point) this season.
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Oh yeah. I forgot to mention that too. Harrison is on the outside looking in for now.
And why does hosting get you into the tournament. If that's the case let's let Frankfort and Franklin Co. have automatic berths to the state tournament.