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You are correct. He had a separated shoulder. It happened in the semis when he spanked Pat White, prior year state champ from Hopkinsville.

I considered referring to the same match myself as I knew it would find a special place for a lot of northern Ky guys out there. FYI, I was okay with the call myself, but was a bit biased.

I'll give my 2 cents as a part-time official. I personally like to see matches with what I'll call flow. I don't like constant stopping and starting. Do you stop the match to award the point? If so, I can see a lot more of the stopping and starting. And kids pulling up kneepads or adjusting headgear. I also think you would have a lot of coaches teaching techniques that don't encourage wrestling, but playing the line and scoring on over-aggressive opponents. Which is not the direction that I think we want to go with the sport. And along the lines of what Mathound says, would we want to see a Courtney/Banks rematch decided by one pushing the other off the mat? I don't think so.

He's probably not out here, but here is his email address: jcoomes1@jefferson.k12.ky.us

No, I think he is talking about Newport High School. They got their program started back up last year. They got beat up a bit in Region 6, but I saw them a few times and even though they were really, really green they were rather impressive. They were a very young team (age wise in addition to experience).

Can you name a strong program in KY that has been around for more than 5 years that doesn't have a state champ?

Unfortunately, I didn't see as much of them as I hoped. But I know that Barnett was a spectator as there were no others in his age/weight. From what I know of Coy he is a hard worker and has been wrestling as much as anyone else down there this summer. But he still has a lot of improving to do and needs to get much stronger. I'm anxious to see how Murdoch does this year. He could be tough (either 215 or 285). But he needs to stay serious and focused all season. They will need his leadership as well.

I'm a Peace fan, but that's a mouthful there (or would it be a keyboard full?)

I can't blame any Louisville residents for this one. I used to live there and made the comment based on my faulty memory. See the post above and you will see what was going through my mind when I made the comment.

There are many different explanations (or excuses depending on who you ask) for these teams. Some have only had programs for a few years (Bourbon County, Bullitt Central, etc) and others are small schools with low participation (nice way of saying they are weak programs; I won't name any in particular).

The Louisville side could choose its' team by winners of the Jefferson County Tournament of Champions. Coach Coomes at Eastern High School (and Ky coaches association president) would be the person to talk to about organizing this.

Did you read my original post?

Thanks for the info. I haven't seen much of him, so it is good to get confirmation that he is deserving of being on the list. BUT, as we have discussed on this forum before, you can't always take off season matches at face value. Most of our kids still get way out of shape and don't show up ready to give 100%. I'm not saying that is the case here at all. But that is one of the things that is holding us back. Instead of getting in an extra season of wrestling in the spring and summer (like the nation's best do) we are lucky to get guys to tournaments and camps. I will admit we are making huge strides and are starting to get more competitive nationally, but we still have a long way to go. That's a totally different topic. Anyway, I will keep that match in the back of my mind down the road.

That makes sense. I searched the rule book and found nothing related to this topic..

Here they are! I know it is still July and weights are still fluctuating, but we have seen a lot of good competition this summer and I think a lot more activity in general. This should make for some good wrestling this winter. I am listing my top 15 for most weight classes right now. The exceptions are 103 and 171 which I don't think are deep enough right now to go beyond the top 10. As always, let me know what you think. 103 Un Co Aaron Carr 10 Sen Elliott Martin 11 Tri Dan Smith 11 JC Zach Salyers 8 FC Josh Burkett 11 Lar Co Joey Henderson 9 Ryle Austin Palmer 9 SO Brandon Whitehouse 9 Cald Co Patrick Wimbleduff 9 PRP Nick Reichmuth 11 112 Way Co Travis Sullivan 11 Eas Joaquin Luna 10 Wood Co Shane Parks 11 Un Co Adam Carr 12 Bull Cen James Badgett 11 NO Andre Zeppa 11 Lar Co Tritsten Hines 10 Con TJ Bates 9 Whit Co Dalton Evans 11 Mc Cen Daniel Bowling 10 FC Tommy Warren 9 Scott Steve Supe PRP Josh Higgs 12 Sou Patrick Lile 11 Vall Mike Miller 12 119 FC Caleb Wood 12 Way Co Bryan Daniels 11 JH Josh Johnson 9 JC Cory Spencer 11 HC Cliff Cornett 12 Mon Co Ross Carpenter-Fraser 11 CH Mason Bradbury 10 PD Jon Voth 11 St X Nick Norwood 12 Scott Gabe Supe 11 NO Antonio Zeppa 12 PRP Corey Mills 11 Tri Jacob Barton 11 Ryle Andrew Isler 12 SO Steve Vaughn 10 125 PD Tyler Voth 12 Wood Co Coty Lewis 11 Un Co Isaac Ervin 10 Sen John Chui 12 Way Co Coty Vinsant 11 Con Rashad Brown 12 HC Matt Zarth 10 Lar Co Darwin Perez 12 SC Matt Slone 9 Tri Grant Ohlman 9 Cam Co Talon Deinlein 11 Moore Steve Willbanks 9 Laf Nathan Speck PRP Don Phillips Per Co Cen Charles Turner 12 130 Old Co Ben Warner 12 NH Matt Eck 12 Sen Dan Fuller 12 JC Jordan Freeman 10 JH Justin Pitcher 11 Lar Co Lucas Carmen 11 Un Co Jake Wempe 11 Cam Co Korey Shotwell 9 Nel Co Forest Rehrig 12 Cald Co Sam Mitchell 10 Moore Crayton McCain 12 Fair Mike Seeders 12 Bull Cen Chris Pearson 12 Laf Ryan Traylor 12 SK Zach McGuffey 12 135 SC Brandon Howard 12 JH Cassidy Veach 12 Lar Co Matt Miller 11 Cam Co Kyle Griffith 11 FC Derek Branch 11 Wood Co Steven Butler 12 Sen Zach Poulton 11 SO Cody Hall 12 Eas Paul Marks 12 Old Co Trey Morlatt 11 And Co Shane Carey 11 Chr Co Jake Skinner 11 Un Co Carson Chambliss 12 Way Co James Kilburn 11 SK Dusty Brown 10 140 Ryle Bryan Peace 11 Scott Daniel Thueneman 12 Har Co Josh Ashbrook 11 Lar Co Evan Smith 12 Tri Ben Case 12 FC Kevin Stewart 12 St X Cory Kress 12 Con Ryan Dillon 11 Eas Blake Kraft 12 Way Co Kacy Kennedy Wood Co Chad Scott 11 SC Eric Musick 12 Bull Cen Justin Walls 10 NO Tom Kusnir 12 Ohio Co Jonathan Miller 12 145 Wood Co Harrison Courtney 10 Lar Co Patrick Banks 12 Un Co Mitch Ervin 11 FC Malcolm Jackson 12 Hol John Golsby 12 St X Chip Condon 12 Har Co Bryan Wasson 11 Tri Brad Hitchings 9 Fr Co Ryan Tingle 11 Con Jacob Lee 9 Way Co Billy Floyd Ft Camp Rob Caracillo 12 Jeff Phillip White JC Travis Scott 10 SO Brian Knight 152 Lar Co Scott Wheeler 12 Mc Cen Randall Stevens 12 FC Ben Barger 11 And Co Sammy Isaacs 11 Har Co Beau Sanders 11 Way Co Tim Winchester 11 Wood Co Blake Sheehan 11 Bull Cen Jeremiah Walls 10 Ohio Co Josh Ringkor 12 Un Co Tanner Wedding NH Johnivon Oggs 12 Ft Knox Kendrick Shaw 12 Hend Co Michael Helsley 10 Sen Beau Gadegaard 12 St X Cole Grant 12 160 FC John Wolsiefer 11 SK Josh Cooper 12 Lar Co Bryant Barnhill 12 NH Ty Wolf 11 DH Brad Denham 12 CH Joe Collin 12 Cam Co Tom Brownfield 11 Wood Co Justin Mays 12 Har Co Corey Ward 12 Old Co Wes Combs 12 Chr Co Cory Armstrong 11 SC Ricky Burgess 12 Cen John Thomas 11 Mc Cen Randy Vanover 12 / Brian Rose Bull Cen Thomas Salter 12 171 Eas Ben Rupp 12 Ryle Mason Reid 11 NH Matt Baker 12 Tri John Florence 12 SC Adam Dials 11 Mc Cen Ryan Harlow 9 Un Co Dionte Wright 11 HC Derek Kirchner SK Matt Neal 10 Har Co Bobby Barkley 11 189 Wood Co Will Starks 12 NH Mark Jones 11 Laf Matt Green 11 Lar Co Jake Shipp 12 SC Ryan Kelly 10 CH Terry Turner 12 DH Steve Benson 11 HC Zack Guiler 12 Vall Joe Raleigh 12 SO Ryan Houchens 10 Mc Cen Steven Watson Ohio Co Jarrod Aull 12 PD Sheridan Likoy 12 Cald Co Curt Martin 12 Tri Josh Lewis 9 215 Mc Cen Jacob Watson 12 FC Deon Chaney 11 Tri Jordan Whiting 10 Sen Jordan Dockery 12 Lar Co Joe Embree 12 SC Justin Chaffin 11 PD Doug Winter 12 Doss Derek Nickel 11 Cam Co Billy Fuller 11 SO Cameron Hartman 11 Ft Camp Zach Rinestine 11 Wood Co Bobby Neal 12 Ryle Steve Bodenbender 12 JH Jesse Kerrison 12 Law Co Jason Delong 12 285 Wood Co Matt Byrd 12 Old Co Josh Young 12 Ohio Co Adam Burdin 12 Fair Robby Brown 12 New Devon Boxx 11 SK Adam Patterson 12 Vall Will Smith 11 Mc Cen Chris Espinoza 12 PD Jeff Faulkner 12 Ft Knox Anthony Bailey 11 NH Matt Ballinger 12 Laf Evan Bullock Way Co Brandon Bell 9 Har Co Austin Murdoch 12 TC Nathan Gray 10 Team 1 Larue County 2 Woodford County 3 Fern Creek 4 Union County 5 Wayne County 6 North Hardin 7 Seneca 8 Trinity (Louisville) 9 McCreary Central 10 Sheldon Clark 11 Ryle 12 Oldham County 13 Eastern 14 John Hardin 15 Harrison County 16 Paul Dunbar 17 Johnson Central 18 Campbell County 19 Simon Kenton 20 Henry Clay 21 Central Hardin 22 Conner 23 Scott 24 South Oldham 25 St. Xavier 26 Ohio County 27 Bullitt Central 28 Lafayette 29 Dixie Heights 30 Anderson County

I just looked it up. It was Angela Merici

Holy Cross was actually the consolidation of Bishop David and some catholic girls school (which I can't remember right now).

I guess that's what I was thinking when I thought the two were "the same".

That's a pretty deep crop of lightweights!

What about Haught at 189? I think that may leave Neal out. Robbie Vaughn is in the mix, but there is a huge bunch of guys from 11-19 that are all pretty even as I see them.

I'm just saying that it is a pretty bold statement to say someone is going to major Cooper. He walked through the tournament until the finals where he lost 3-2. I'm not saying Cooper will definitely beat this guy, but to dismiss Cooper as having no chance seems crazy. What did the Flake guy do in '05-'06?

OK, if you want to put a lot of emphasis on the finals... Larue - 2 finalists, 1 winner, but 9 other placers Fern Creek - 3 finalists, 2 winners, 6 other placers Woodford - 4 finalists, 3 winners, 4 other placers Yes, it appears as though Woodford again has an edge when it comes to the spotlight, but ask Coach Canter and he will probably agree that the wrestlebacks buried them last year. And I think that is where Woodford will struggle more this year. Larue's experience will show up in those grueling rounds.

Come on, don't hold back. Tell me what you really think. HA! HA! Really, you can't make a statement like that without backing it up. What's so bogus?

Major Cooper? I don't think so.

I agree. We all thought Jarius was dominant, but we saw (or read about) what happened when he ran into Mr. Cooper. Jacob is a great wrestler (one of the best ever in KY) and will compete for a championship before he graduates, but I think he still has some work to do.