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Ranger, I appreciate all the time and effort that you put into posting these rankings. Thanks

May god be with his family and friends and ease their pain.

Coach Dave Johnson who was an assistant coach for Dave Barnes will take over as head coach. I have no idea about the youth/middle school program or Mr Higgings

Dave Barnes will be the head coach and I am assuming they will be in the same region as Ryle, SK, Conner, etc..., but I dont know that for a fact

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What 8thj graders made it to state from region 6? Kevin Cooper, Lane Jones. What about Iisac Hamlin, is he an 8th grader? Anyone else from region 6 I left out?

Is anyone else having problems opening the brackets or is only my junk computer? :x

Thats dedication.. Keep up the good work and I am sure will achieve your goals

I dont know what weight some kids are going, but with Cooper wrestling 119 in varsity he would probably dominate at 117. Also Jayce Carr would probably walk thru 117 without Cooper being at that weight. Would be nice to see one go 117 and one go 124. Dont know if that can happen or not but it would be nice when our state middle school team travels for the team duals to have some studs spread out and not two or three really good kids all at the same weight

IPEA, maybe insulting someones intelligence with snide, sarcastic remakes like you make, isn't really a PERSONAL attack , but I, at this time or any other, have never made a derogatory remark about you nor anyone else on here. Also never did I dispute what you were saying came from your correspondence with DR. Whomever from the OHSAA. I only stated what our coach had received from the OHSAA in the form of an email, which he was kind enough to present for everyone to read. Perhaps the email was not enough to sufficiently answer all question that were unanswered. Not really sure. I only stated the gist of what it contained. I don't care to dispute the matter with you or anyone else any further. Maybe we can return to the original intent of this topic.. High school wrestlers popping back up in middle school.. A few of the kids I know of are: Wade Holtsclaw Kevin Cooper Lane Jones Caleb Canter Coach Brown, I have not seen the two kids wrestling for you yet. (Samuel and Solomon) What weights are they wresting in middle school?

IPEA:... Sir, I unlike you have no interest in being the ALL KNOWING AUTHORITY on EVERYTHING!!!! I can, and willing do admit when I am wrong and never attempted to portray myself as an authority on anyting. I merely tried to explain the gist of the correspondence our coach received from the OHSAA. If you read mano y mano's post you will see that this is basically what I attempted to convey last night but I certainly could not recite it verbatim since I had deleted the email. Also I see no reason to turn this site into a forum for insults from snide, sarcastic remarks from one parent to another but I suppose that tells us all something about your character. Good luck to you and your son and your team this season. I will leave all rules interpretation to the expert, obviously being you from this point! mano y mano: thanks for the input coach!

Storm23.....what weights are the kids you mentioned at? i-pinned-em-all, Obviously its WAY more important to you that you prove your point about this, and that you be right. Our coach forwarded me the email and I have personally read it but deleted it afterwards. I will ask our coach to forward it to me again and get a copy to our buddy pioneerpride, and he can then forward it on to you. The verbage in the email states something to the effect that those rules preventing middle school kids from competing in varsity events dont apply to scholls and or clubs not from Ohio. No where withing what I read makes mention to the coach or principal having the decision as to if kids may or may not compete.

LMAO at dagger!

i-pinned-em-all.... thanks for the, "I was incorrect regarding OHSAA prohibiting Ky wrestlers from wrestling" statement...... I have never disputed the fact and take your word for the fact that exhibition matches are strictly prohibited by the OHSAA. I only stated what happened in our particular case that brought this whole "middle schoolers wrestling varsity in Ohio" thing to discussion to begin with, in which we received "official clarification from the OHSAA", and that is when it was discovered that we had three middle school kids wrestling varsity, their matches were put out of weight class order and wrestled last in the dual and not scored for team points. This situation was obviously not handled correctly the the head official to comply with OHSAA bylaws. My only dispute was wheather or not middle school kids are eligible to compete in varsity meets in the state of Ohio. I respect a man that can admit when he is wrong. God knows I do a lot!

who has looked god at 103 this year?

pioneer pride; if the coach is willing to allow me to make a copy of what he has from Mr. Z and the OHSAA I will most certainly share it with you amd anyone one else who cares to see it Signed, Your friend

tiltfor3... thanks for the warning, but I dont think we have anything scheduled in Indiana the remainder of this year. After this year, I personally wont have to worry about it, but dont want to see it be a problem in years to come for other kids on our team

I-pinned-em-all:.. to that I can only say that you would most certainly expect that Hank Zaborniack who answered this question specifically himself and the OHSAA staff member who then forwarded this info to our coach to know what they are talking about.. In the mean time I will expect that the documentation that we have from the OHSAA will be enough to satisfy the officials at the events we attend the remainder of this year.??? :|

I-pinned-em-all;... your right in the fact that most of us love our kids and would go to great lengths to do what we feel is best for our children. I respect your opinion and in fact welcome it. Your comments specifically were not critical of our situation but as you said yourself, this site is full of negative comments directed toward kids and parents by people who happen to have a difference of opinion on a particular situation. Specifically, "holding kids back" as well as this subject. Bottom line for me is no matter how I feel about something, right or wrong, if it is in line with the rules of any association (KHSAA or Middle School association or even youth) then people really should just accept it or show up at meetings and voice their opinion or contact your representative and do their part to get that particular rule changed rather than just spouting criticism. As for the issue of middle schoolers wrestling varsity, as you said, it was the head official that would not allow our middle schoolers to be scored for team points and tagged their matches as "exhibition matches" but our head coach has an email from the OHSAA ,quoting rules stating that teams and or clubs that are not withing the state of Ohio do not fall under OHSAA rules therefore middle schoolers may wrestle varsity meets in Ohio. As you might suspect, our coach now carries this letter with him to every tournament we attend in Ohio.

you seem to know a lot about this weight class, me..... what is your prediction as top 4 at this weight class at state?

[ I-pinned-em-all "Yes, in Ohio only 9th graders are allowed to wrestle. We adopted a, don't ask don't tell policy. Hey, it worked for us, I just wanted him to wrestle. No one questioned it. ......." No thats not correct sir. Our coach got a ruling on this after our middle school kids were allowed to wrestle but not allowed to be counted for points at an Ohio team tournament this year. He contacted the OHSAA, and was told our middle school kids CAN IN FACT wrestle high school tournaments in Ohio because being a school or club from out of state OHSAA rule do not apply. Even 7th grade kids can wrestle varsity matches in Ohio. As you said you chose not to wrestle your son in the Region and State tournaments so that he could get 10 varsity matches in Ohio and i certainly respect that. I want my son as well as the level of wrestling for our state to improve but yet our coach and myself want him to be able to compete for a State Championship against other kids his own age, and the rules that are in place at this time allow that, so why so much negativity from others who disagree? I will say it again..This is withing the Middle School Associations Rules!

Its hard to say without knowing what weight most of the returning winners and placers are going but anybody care to take a stab at finals predictions

ok Ranger thanks..

anyone from this region know enough to take a shot at who the top four to make it out to state will be in each weight class?

For those of you who disagree with a kid who wrestles varsity as a Middle schooler, then shows up and wins Middle School Regional and State, I have a situation for you. Suppose that a kid has no other kid in the middle school practice room to challenge or push him. What benefit is he going to get from being in that room every day.? Isn't the whole purpose of having a more advanced middle school kid wrestling varsity so that he can be exposed to better competition on a daily basis in the practice room as well as in tournaments and duals/tri meets? So rather than a kid wrestling middle school and going undefeated or maybe only loosing 1 or 2 matches throughout the year, he wrestles varsity and wins 60 or maybe even only 50% of his matches. Why should this kid not be able to compete for a Middle School State title just like every other middle school kid? Would you just prefer that he wrestle middle school all year and just dominate? To me, an advanced middle school kid wrestling varsity makes it better for everyone in the way that other kids are winning and placing at tournaments where otherwise they would not in the absence of the more advanced kid who is wrestling varsity. Also the more advanced kid continues to improve being exposed to better competition and being pushed harder so the level of wrestling in our state progresses rather than this kid just leveling off and not improving for a year being unchallenged.