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    4 hours ago, grappler-of-old said:

    I think one point everyone is missing here is that Ky already has a critical problem with the number of officials they have. 

    The 1st thing Ky needs to do is build up the pool of officials out there.  Then you can mandate meetings, tests, and observations or whatever you want to improve their level. 

    If you require to much or make it to inconvenient then we will have even less officials.  

    I look around and I see several teams that seem to have 7-9 coaches, most of them very young.  Coaches need to encourage their ex-wrestlers to try officiating.  Lets build up our pool 1st, I will guarantee this.  No one who is officiating wants to do a bad job, they all want to do the best they can.  Careful criticism by coaches to officials after an event when all has died down goes a long way.  

    Coaches can take 3-5 minutes to talk to the official after a dual and discuss some calls with no judgment.  

    Great point(s). Yes these guys need a stint as a ref. It was great experience for me  

     

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    10 hours ago, plantmanky1 said:

    You couldnt be more wrong than you are right now, specifically as it refers to the topic at hand. 

    Thank you for your opinion.  Good opening statement. Now explain it!!  This is what forums are for. We need everyones opinion. Maybe some good will come from everyones input. 

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    4 hours ago, PABacon said:

    And I said I dont want to bash them either. I told you what we did in Pa, I'm not 100% sure what we do here. Do they have training? Do they have weekly or bi weekly meetings with interpreters in their area? Do the join chapters and are they required to attend a certain amount of meetings during the season to discuss and learn the rules and what they're doing wrong? Do they get evaluated by their peers? We did all those things in Pennsylvania and I feel the quality of reffing as a whole was 10 times better. I guess the only way I'll know what we do here is to sign back up and get back out on the mat. I love reffing, I love wrestling and I like and respect referees and the thankless job they do but sometimes it pains me when the battle isn't between two good wrestlers but it's between two wrestlers and a ref that infuses himself into the match or just plain doesnt seem to know what the rules are or how to interpret them. 

    You are on the right track here. I like everything youve said here.

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    56 minutes ago, rjs4470 said:

    Not having wrestled, doesn’t make one clueless.  

    That was a bit harsh. let's go with won't completely understand. By that I mean if you've pour everything you have into something. And an individual thats put in charge of whatever it is hasn't  never been through any of it. They won't understand how being treated as "well that's good enough" is frustrating. 

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    2 hours ago, GentleBeard said:

    stalling on bottom should be called as it is in the rule book - not because the top man is “bigger” and/or “over powering” when the score is 3-3. That’s the unacceptable reasoning we received last weekend. Instead of calling stalling, the ref decided to call a stalemate when the top man was running a power half. I’m fine with human error, but there comes a point when it’s ridiculous.

    if we aren’t going to do any of that, why don’t we join the rest of the world, wrestle Freestyle/Greco year round, and give folkstyle a Darwinian lesson.

    What's your solution? Keep in mind a large percentage of coaches don't understand the rules as well. Please read the begining of this thread. 

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    4 hours ago, PABacon said:

    Sorry but the reffing was horrible all weekend. Refs still cant seem to understand the out of bounds rules, two refs didnt help when they were there. I think it was the very first finals match, went into the ultimate ride out. Kid that scored first chose down as he should have. Top guy dropped to an ankle and never climbed up for the whole 30 seconds!! No restart, no stalling. I'm pretty sure that ref didnt think he could call stalling in the ultimate ride out because all day they called bad stalling calls but there... nothing. I felt bad for that kid. Had he known all he had to do was drop to an ankle and hang on for the ride for 30 seconds he probably would have taken top. I would. Another instance I saw a tech like it was freestyle. Kid kept doing the same tilt, never let go of the wrist, just waves at the ref with the other hand and ref throws 3 over and over and over. Gotta make that kid break the hold. Had another kid get called for stalling while locked up in a cradle! What would you like the kid to do? Just get pinned if he cant get out? Sorry, and in the finals too bad refs dont make 1 good one. 

     

    So my only question is, do the refs have weekly meetings and discuss the rules and interpretations throughout the season so they can learn? In Pennsylvania ( I was a ref) we had 9 meetings, one every other week and you were "required" to make at least 6 of them or you lost your certification. We had top notch interpreters and officials at every meeting. Other refs were appointed to watch newer refs to evaluate them, you couldn't even do varsity matches until someone said "hes good". You started out doing youth and jr high tournaments.  

    I dont want to bash refs either but I'd like them to get better and more consistent and the second ref needs to know his job. Should always be apposite the other ref to watch locking hands  and things during scrambles and out of bounds while the other ref is down watching for backs and pins and watch the clock on starts and stops and just be the second pair of eyes. 

    The state tournament should be about the great wrestling, not worrying about wether a ref is going to call it right. 

    Just my two cents for what it's worth. Probably not much.

    When I started this thread it was not to bash and complain. Everyone here that has wrestled or coached has felt wrong more than once. This thread is to maybe start a conversation that will lead to better understanding of the rules. Coaches and referees alike. I won’t pretend to know all. But, i’m Willing to learn everyday. I’ve been at this for 35 years. I learn every chance I get.  What’s the solutions out there?

     

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    6 hours ago, plantmanky1 said:

    my point is still valid though, there are more teams wrestling than officials at current.  Or its very close. 

    Yes. If there are that few I agree.  Maybe we need to increase pay. Educate all coaches and refs reguarding the rules. 

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    1 hour ago, plantmanky1 said:

    A coaches scratch list wont work in KY currently, there are not enough officials to start with.  You allow coaches to scratch, you want have any for the state tournament. 

     

    Having asst refs at Quarterfinals is a good start but why start there, halfway through the tournament, if you going to do that, do it from match 1 of the state tournament.  However I guess the downside of that is if coaches are not happy with the refs at the tournament now, adding more that they wont be happy with doesnt do much. 

     

    Video replay is never a good idea at the High School or below level.  

     

     

    You get one scratch. If a ref has multiple scratches. Then you don’t want him anyway. 

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    27 minutes ago, Josh_Claywell said:

    Is video replay used by any high school association?

    It looks like Alabama, New Jersey, Minnesota and Texas are using it for football,basketball and hockey. No mention of wrestling.  And all are trials only.

    I believe the use of instant replay in wrestling would cause more problems than solve. I’m sure some coaches would abuse it.  Kids tired! “I think he was in bounds on the takedown” let’s review. As 1 example. 

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    3 minutes ago, Ranger123 said:

    I believe there is some evaluation process currently in place. Not sure how effective or complete it is. I do like the idea of some sort of scratch list. Or at a minimum a list of officials who should always have an asst. 

    If indeed there is a process I believe coaches should want to be a part of it.