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    18 minutes ago, Mercury said:

    This is a joke! You cannot have a legitimate tournament with a random draw! State tournament #1 had all of the top contenders and some of those kids got screwed! Now you have kids from #2 that have no business moving on and taking away spots from kids that deserve it! Not one kid from #2 will place next weekend! When is the state going to wake up and learn how to conduct a proper state championship! 

    You should look at some results from the season before making moronic statements.

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    2 hours ago, gator1 said:

    A 100M sprinter 

    Track and field.  A sprinter can make the state tournament, lose (but qualify) in a preliminary heat, then win a state championship. Yes it's a "qualifying heat" but it's also part of the championship.  Just not the finals.  Not that complicated.  

    My point has always been, that this weekend is a qualifying event.  Not the state finals!  Just like you pointed out in your response you have heats, prelims, but they are not actually the state finals until medals are won.  If you go back to my original post on this thread it literally was all sarcasm.

    I agree with Coach Burton the KHSAA can call it whatever they want, it doesn't change what it is, a qualifying event.

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    4 hours ago, Coach Burton said:

    Yeah, but we've never had to make changes to the state tournament because of a pandemic either.  Regardless, if the KHSAA says it's the first round of the state tournament then it's the first round of the state tournament.  They can make it any format they wish. It's their tournament.  Just think of it as the qualifying heat, like in track or swimming.  The top eight advance regardless of who beat who.

    So you admit that it is simply a qualifying event.  Sort of like region is a qualifying event for First round of state or whatever the heck they are calling it.  First round of state is a qualifying event for Final Round  of State.  
     

    This weekend is literally another qualifying event regardless of the nomenclature used by the KHSAA.

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    7 minutes ago, Coach Burton said:

    I was just pointing out another reason for why you guys were wrong and how there is precedent for tournaments that allow competitors to lose and then come back and win the title.

    Let me know when you can figure out an answer for the following questions.

    Why don't the team points carry over to the Final Round of State?

    How can an individual have a loss or three during the state tournament and still be considered the state champion?  (please give me another sport where in the state tournament an individual or team can have a loss outside of qualifying events and be the champ.)

    I have bolded and underlined some key words to help avoid the inclusion of information that does not pertain to the KHSAA STATE TOURNAMENT.

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    8 minutes ago, GentleBeard said:

    Except for the fact that if it is truly part of the same tournament, team points would carry over.  The fact that you can lose a match one week and win a state title the next week also suggests they are two very different tournaments.  State champs don't lose a match in the state tournament, historically.  Just because the KHSAA calls a potato an apple doesn't make it one. 

    Beat me to the punch

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    1 hour ago, Coach Burton said:

    If the governing body says it's the first round of the state tournament then it's the first round of the state tournament. That's pretty cut and dry.

    Answer these two questions in defense of the governing body:

    Why don't the team points carry over to the Final Round of State?

    How can an individual have a loss or three during the state tournament and still be considered the state champion?  (please give me another sport where in the state tournament an individual or team can have a loss outside of qualifying events and be the champ.)

     

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    1 hour ago, Coach Burton said:

    1. It is the KHSAA's tournament.  They can format it anyway and consider it anything they wish.  

    2.  The KHSAA always plans out years ahead with a plan, even if they have no intention of keeping that plan.  It is one thing they do very well.  The hope is to go back to 32 man brackets in one arena, but they plan out a few years with the semi-state format incase that can't happen.

    3.  The only reason the KHSAA hasn't gone back to the one arena 32 man bracket format this year is because they are broke.  Losing the sweet 16 last year killed their budget for years.  Not one year, but multiple.  When they get financially straight again, things will return to normal.  That's what everyone wants, even the KHSAA.

    4. Not committing to an arena/format right now gives them options if they finally sanction girls wrestling.  It can be a combined event, much like track.  That will give them a lot more options on venue.

    You are right the KHSAA can call it whatever they want.  That does not change the "KHSAA First Round State Tournament" to the actual state tournament.  It is simply a qualifying event for the actual tournament where team awards and medals will be won.

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    18 hours ago, DrBaker said:

    Of course it does. The best 8 deserve to go, not just the luckiest 8. It still gets everything all skewed when the 2nd best kid is 3rd. 

    I understand your argument, but I have witnessed on several occasions where a region had 5 or 6 of the best guys in a weight class all fighting for the 4 qualifying spots.  That meant when the dust settled and the regional tournament was over one or two of the "best kids in the state" were sitting in the stands for the State Tournament.

    Every year at a qualifying event there are kids who could place that never make the tournament.  This year will be no different.

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    17 hours ago, DrBaker said:

    Not sure if anyone noticed that points aren’t carrying over. 

    https://khsaa.org/wrestling/2022/firstroundinstructions.pdf

    Click the link above and scroll to Page 10 and you will find what is posted below.

    FORMAT/SCORING/BRACKETS/ORDER OF BOUTS

    The State First Round Tournament will be conducted as a full-wrestleback format (consolation to 8th place) in each weight class.

    The State First Round Tournament will be scored to the top 8 positions.

    Weigh-ins and bouts will be conducted in bracket order, beginning with the lowest class.

    A complete set of tournament brackets will only be available in advance of the state first round at KHSAA.org.

    There will be no exclusion for wrestlers from the same region meeting in a specific round.

    The State First Round event will be scored as its own event without points carrying to the State Final Round.

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    19 hours ago, grappler-of-old said:

    Actually District, Region, State, was from 1980 thru 2001 Top 4 in District went to Region top 4 in region went to state, placed top 6

    Had a teammate that placed 5th in district got in region as alternate (Someone did not make weight), was 5th in region got in state (someone got hurt in region finals) as alternate, placed 6th in state. 

    Do you really want to have the setup you stated above for state?  I agree they are all separate tourneys.  Even in the NCAA's a second in conference can win the title. 

    Someone winning the title over someone they lost to the weekend before is no different than someone from region 1 defeating someone from region 8 after losing to him once or twice in the season. 

    Now calling Semi-state wrestlers state qualifiers is a stretch, but hopefully this is just a temporary thing (yeah right) and we get back to a 32 man bracket at state. 

     

    No I do not want the setup to be as stated in my previous post.  I was pointing out that the only way KHSAA can consider this the first round of state is to eliminate anyone with a loss as a possible champ, carry points over to the next weekend, and let the placements from "1st round" fall in like I previously stated.

     

    I personally think they should stop blowing smoke and just call it what it is a cheaper way for them to make money.  Tickets for Semi-Sate are $13 per person and for the "State Tournament" tickets are $25 per person with no option to only purchase Friday or Saturday tickets separately. 

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    This is a modified remake of the district, region, state format that ran from the mid 90's through to the early 2000's.

    Back then you could be 4th in District, 4th in Region, and be state champ.  You could also be 4th, 4th, and 6th and have a 6-7 record and be top 6 at state (only placed six with the 16 man bracket).

    My point being, until it is the final tournament losses don't really matter, they never did in the past and they don't now.

     

    They are calling it the state tournament because of the "everyone deserves a trophy" mentality. 

     

    If it was really the first round then:

    1) scores would carry over (and they are not this year...thank god)

    2) champs from this weekend would be finalists next weekend

    3) runner ups would be placed into consolation semis to wrestle the 3rd place finisher from the opposite semi-state

    4) wrestlers with two losses would be eliminated from the second weekend of competition.

    5) state tournament would pace top 6

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    I got the chance to watch a few of Cornetts matches and he looked really good.  Got caught with some tough front head work by his last opponent but wrestled his butt off.  CONGRATS to him on a good tourney.  Like others have said his upside is awesome and if he goes again I believe he could AA.

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    Wildcat you're a joke!  Vough is no where near the height of Dunn and if that really mattered Austin would have lost to the other 6' - 260+ hwt he wrestled this week.  I can type it and I did, sorry if it hurts, but it is true. 

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    I was wondering about officials as well.  I personally know two officials who were going to officiate the State Tourney, but can no longer do so because of not being allowed to miss work (for 2 days).  I see low-single-05 point.  Where will we get refs (decent refs) to officiate the tournament, and if they cannot get enough what then?

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    I think that both of these young men wrestled their butts off at regions and to say one was upset by the other is a knock at both young men.  The match was decided and they moved on why can't two or three grown men move on?


    I personally think the biggest upset out of region 6 was a returning state placer and 8th ranked wrestler not even making the state tourney.  Holden from CC took a lose from Chaffee (ryle) and Hensley (scott) and is now the alternate.  Region 6 is tough as nails.

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    One last nail in the proverbial coffin.... BASKETBALL DISTRICTS START MONDAY!!! 

     

    All of us know we are second rate compared to basketball.  I bring this up because a lot of the larger gyms will be scheduled for Basketball districts.  I looked at the ALLTECH events page and they ave things scheduled for the next 3 weekends, so state would not be there if they rescheduled.