The Bear

The 45 min. rule didn't really come into play at most of the tournaments that I went to. It took a lot longer than 45 min. to go through a round. At state is the only place I can think of it comes into play but come on we wrestle to like 11 or 12 on the 2nd day how much longer do you want to wrestle? Also the third day it would probably only save you one to two hours at most, I'd rather take those one to two hours and have kids recooperate and feel fresh for their final match of the season. Just my take on the 45 min. thing it wouldn't really change much.

His junior year was most impressive he always pulled out the win. Hit that sweet inside trip on Scott Wheeler from Larue and always gave Dakota choate a whoopin or two. He did dominate mostly those indiana tournies though.

This was John's soph. year. I think he was way better his junior year. I do think he would keep it close with Courtney, in fact no doubt. I mean come on when have we ever seen such high calibar wrestlers blow each other out in a match???

I went to a camp that had Duane there just about every year, All Results Camp TN, and yeah he was pretty tough. I'd have to say the craziest guy I've ever seen though is Steve Martin. He's the head coach at ODU and he's like only 5' tall but my God if you've ever seen how tough he is and how hard he works he'd put just about everyone to shame. He runs for 1 hour at 7 am in the morning. Then we would wrestle for about 2-3 hours and we'd go take a break while he ran another hour. We'd come back and he show us technique and a little bit of live for 2-3 hours then we'd go take a break while he went to go run ANOTHER HOUR! Then we'd come back and wrestle live and after everything, you guessed it he did a cool down run for only 30 min. Amazing simply amazing. I'm pretty sure this dude is crazy.

Sounds like a Kris Perry practice. I've never been pushed so much in my life.

Toss up. Same as Jp said Wolsiefer on his feet and Courtney on the mat. Low scoring match It'd be similar to the Cooper, Wolsiefer match but Courtney is better on the mat than Cooper was. I'd say Courtney in a very close one.

Those 5 3's against NC are still engraved in my head, and they said he wouldn't do well in the NBA hahaha

I haven't gotten this excited about UK basketball since Tayshaun Prince played for them. :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

Ok, I think we should at least try it one year in the future though, if it's in the budget, time, etc. I'd just like to see some change in the tournament try new things you know? It's always a well run tournament, ( a little long for me I'd like to see the 16 man bracket back), and goes pretty fast considering how many mats there are. So if seeding is obviously not the case here, what do you think is going to change next year?

I just find it crazy that the NCAA tournament and how big it is can be seeded but yet we can't seed our top 8 wrestlers.

I don't think it would take three days to seed. I think every coach can agree they come up to state the night before the tournament, and if they don't they are in driving distance to the center. All it takes is a few hours the night before to seed it if you have a plan before you go in with a general idea of how the seeds are set up.

Trigg was supposed to start a middle school team according to the board. It just didn't work out, it was going to be like 2122 by the time they were supposed to get a high school team according to their time line. I agree though like Marshall, Graves, etc. need to start wrestling programs. There are alot of teams out in the Paducah area also, Reidland, Lone Oak I know these teams can field a wrestling team because I see their soccer teams. If they can field a soccer team which is basically like 15 16 kids then they can field a wrestling team with at least 10 kids to fill spots. There is pretty good talent out in this area and we're like the only region actually adding teams year to year with the addition to Calloway, Apollo, UHA, Daviees, etc. basically all the younger schools in our region were added not too long ago so we've come a ways but it can always grow like you say we have 120 counties so there are probably like over 200 schools in Kentucky. I mean in Campbell County alone there are 8 schools. We should aim to have at least 50 percent of schools to have wrestling. I don't think it's a stretch if we really push it.

Well it's not true second wrestle off, it's a true first second place match. When you have two top level guys who are obviously above the rest of the pack don't you want to see them underneath the spot light where it counts where every fan is watching?

The WCI must've changed since the last time i went (9th grade year) because they had some pretty tough teams there. Woodfo, NH, Fern Creek, Scott, Science Hill, PLD, Seneca, All of the Oldham schools, Ceintenial TN, and this is when they had pretty tough teams with Daniel Thuemnan, the whole Wofo crew, tough Oldham Co. schools. You can tell which are the tougher tournaments though. From what I saw of the Woodford finals though I guess it isn't a tough tournament but I think just about everyone who placed 1st or 2nd placed high or placed in the state tournament.

Kentucky wrestling will stay stuck in the mud, want to know why? People are too scared to take chances! There is a reason that just about every state surrounding us is better. Not everyone is going to get their way no matter what we do to the tournament but I'm tired of seeing people who DON'T DESERVE to be in the finals in the finals. Yes I said it don't deserve, the reason they shouldn't desrve it is because if that guy who was in the semis with the number one guy ( aka the finals match) was seeded right he would've ended up on the opposite side of the bracket and smashed the guy who didn't deserve to be in the finals. Ex. Courtney should have been in the finals his 8th grade year, not because he got a bad call but because he probably would've smashed Garrison Headley if he were on the opposite side of the bracket because it was obviously a see saw between Courtney and Sanders as number one and two the whole year.

Exactly, great point tc125. I agree totally with you.

It just depends. Region 7 is consistently good and so is region 6, but I remember just 2 or 3 years back region 2 was STACKED and just 5 or 6 years back Region 1 was very tough. Region 4 has some very tough kids just low on numbers. Region 3 I don't think has ever been on top. Region 5 always has tough individuals. Region 8 is so isolated from the state it seems as if they don't even wrestle in KY but more of less WV. No offense but living in W Ky I feel like Eastern Ky is a diff. state. My point is though yes regions 6 and 7 have been consistently the best regions for several reasons (not excuses, reasons). But you will always have regions that have their on years to compete with 6 and 7. But I agree 6 and 7 have nothing wrong with them, they are pretty much set. Now I think we should take some of the 13 schools out of region 1 and put them in region 2. I'd like to make a trade deal with Apollo and Daviees County for Larue Co. in our region :-D Now things would start to get good in region 1.

Congrats to everyone taking it to the next level. Represent KY wrestling well!

That's fine, have an unbiased committee but one thing that you said is to do like Tennessee. We need to learn from the mistakes of their tournament. The way the bracket is set up if you loose first round the only way you can wrestle back is if the guy who beat you won. I really think this is a flaw in the way that tournament is set up.

Probably have to comnpensate for beginers, out of shape people, etc. I'm sure it's not the same room as when the starks brothers were wrestling there. Just like down in our room we had to ease up after "Mommas" started getting worried about the level of intensity we were using.

Ever heard of a seeding meeting? You cannot tell me the 8 region champs are the 8 best wrestlers in a weight class. Based on statistics look at it the 8 region champs HARDLY EVERRRRRR become the top 8 placers, it just never happens. The top 8 seeds is a great idea. We already have a pretty good system for seeding at tournaments, WHY NOT THE BIG ONE???? Come on we have to grow and not seeding is just keeping us that much lower. We have several border states that run seeded state tournaments well. HECK even the NCAAS is seeded!! I think it will give this sport something to grow on and actually reward those who wrestle during the season and gives kids something to work for during the season. Take Rangers rankings as a seeding tool, I think we all can pretty much agree Ranger is pretty good with rankings and is very unbiased( Trust me I know where he's from and he puts kids exactly where they need to be based on results) If we worked off of Rangers rankings as the seeding I think it would be pretty easy beside the usual argumentitive coach. I think it's much need and would give the energy of state up a notch.

Easy up and get the stick out of your butt dude. Of course it's fake but it's funny. I think most people are amazed at how he runs that 3/4 nelson. Wheeeweeee. BTW: to the dude who said is he stronger than Whiting, no he is not. He may be stronger pound for pound but no I don't think he is stronger than Whiting. You also have to remember I'm pretty sure Whiting is a national power lifting champion.

Not if they re-align.

I would like that.