Kentuckywrestling.com HS Rankings 2012/2013 - May 16

[Mpire 76]

I know this is a bit off the thread topic, but. Mpire. I've heard you say it a few times on this site. You want CC to hold a tourney. My question is why? Trying to start a tourney at your school is very difficult. The firsts few years you will not be able to pull any of the major teams to the tourney. Which means those years you have one tourney that is a dud tourney. Second holding a tourney is difficult for the home team. The wrestlers and the parents have to set up the tourney and tear it down, along with running the tourney. If you expect the middle school team to work the tourney or the JV team then that is one Saturday they will not wrestle. Believe it or not the Ohio teams just don't want to come across the river and wrestle in Ky tourneys. To me it's much easier to find established tourneys that you can compete in and go from there. As for it being a fund raiser, the returns are not big enough for the time spent setting it up. After paying referee's (which the team fee's usually cover) then the food costs and custodial costs. You really don't make but a couple hundred (Unless it's a huge tourney, which takes years if you are lucky).

There are many reasons why The sport needs to be more out in the public eye and it deserves to have more tournaments that bring notice to it .Campbell Count is one of the best wrestling schools in the state JR High Champs High School champs ,they should represent the state most well known championship teams in most states have big tournaments it keeps their fans and kids interested and helps keep the team full and kids wanting to be apart of something big . As for running the tourny If Campbell county being one of the biggest public schools in the state cant scrounge up some kids and parents to help put out some mats and do whatever else it takes to run a tourny something is wrong ,and having those teams and fans show up will bring money to the town and school ?i know it just rhetoric By your statements you are saying its simple to just go elsewhere ,but that keeps the notion and false sense of we are not good enough in ky going by saying its easier to go elsewhere you are saying we are to lasy to try and better our situation ,im not blasting you but if it takes a while to grow so be it but i do not agree it could be big right off the bat if promoted correctly ,As for the area people in Campbell county all know about wrestling i talk to them in the gyms the stores everywhere and im not the one bringing it up they know the kids the coaches and that they are good having kids hitthose national tournaments could also be a key shying away from Iron Man and that level tourny is not a good ideal with the kids that are there this group is probably one of the best they have ever had or ever will no bragging at all Fauz Austin Hamilton Stephen Mathews all with national level experience and the rest of the team with a lot of match time and state experience ,maybe i see thing differently than most but who can really argue with the obvious facts . I do not think Campbell Count has any other sports teams or sports that can equal what their Wrestling teams have done or can do so they have earned the right to have a tournament like other schools Why let Ryle have all the notoriety of having the areas biggest tourny .i do not know why its so hard to get some people in KY to understand that they can be just as good or do things anyone else can sooner or later people need to come out of a shell and shatter that way of thinking stepping up and doing things your own way and not being worried about things flopping would be a good first step ,whats the worst that could happen six or seven teams show up fans stay home and the true fans get to watch some wrestling .

[WHS98 34]

Just want to correct myself Branson was 4th at cadet 94lbs

[Mpire 76]

That's a good accomplishment , I hear you know one of the kids I trained a 7th grader Austin Murphy from Reading .

[grappler-of-old 44]

I just must not see it the same way you do. So what if Ryle has a tourney. Doesn't make them better than anyone else. It's just a tournament. Just because schools/teams hold tourneys doesn't mean they have better programs or get more notoriety (sp). Just means they were willing to go through the headache of running a tourney every year.

I know when I wrestled I hated having tourneys and duals at my home school. It was not as fun as going somewhere else and winning on their home turf. Defending your own turf is ok but there was to much time spent before and after the dual/tourney which made the day so much less fun for me.

I know the dozon tourneys I ran as a coach were also headaches. Just not worth the time and effort in my opinion.

[Mpire 76]

I have to disagree , tournys raise money and awareness and help the sport .

When my son was a fresh at Moeller it was their first or second yr for super duals and the coaches and kids loved it I think the CC kids would as well jr high and HS If it interferes with the coaches schedule they shoul have someone else handle details.

It's not about competing or being as good as others it's about what helps your own all you her before state in Nky is Ryle rumble even in oh you hear about it it makes their school known and gets them easier entrance into other tournys and it would be another tourny in Nky why just one it helps regardless ,

When you were a kid did your parents turn out the lights and act like they were not home then send you out trick or treating .... Lol why not have a big tourny you go to them don't you . Awesome recruiting tool as well . Bring in out of state schools with good kids expand your kids level of experience beyond the states borders expand it stay stagnant change evolve become better test yourself and what you can do.

[stalling 7]

As I read all this bull from WHS98, it really brings up alot of things. First off, I've known Mpire for a few years. For all his faults (we all have em), deep down he's a good guy. Sometimes misguided, a little crazy, and outspoken. But those are the things I love about him lol. We met when my son wrestled Austin way back in maybe 5th grade? Austin pinned my boy in the 2nd, and even though it was my boys first yr Mpire was nothing but nice and complimentery to him. There's just no filter there, good or bad. And for me, that's ok. You always know where you stand with him. I completely understand why he's a little touchy about people saying things about him. And I think he knows I know too. I catch flack from time to time for being freinds with him, but I don't care. And he doesn't either, which is why we get along I think lol. Bottom line, Mpires alright, and Im glad alot of people in Ky realize that now. While we don't always agree, he is a good motivator and trainer. One only has to look at his sons abilitys. In closing, I think a character such as Mpire is good for wrestling, and nobody needs some yah-hoo trying to stir up sh** from long ago. Goo was absolutely right... we can dissagree, argue, type in all capitols to show we really really mean it... but in the end, we're all here for the growth and betterment of wrestling. To enjoy a spirited discussion now and again. And to gather together from time to time and stand with our chests out watching our kids give their all.

[WHS98 34]

Well Mpire since you asked;here is a post I put on here a few years back after AJ beat Austin in Mason,OH..What side of the fence do you stand on this one".

I hope at this tournament the people running it will escort idiot parents that yell the f-word at 11 year old kids all the way to their car,But in case they don't one parent will be with his kid this time to see it don't happen again.If anyone knows Austin Murphys dad please relay the message"

Mr.Murphy wouldn't shake his hand and screamed at him he was F-ing stalling.Is that OK by you? Not me. They took Murphy to the door and he snuck back in and kept looking at AJ,he called to tell me he was scared.You going to defend that?Masons coach sent me a PM saying that Mr.Murphy was finished coaching.So it was not a case of he said she said the tournament officals saw it. After the match Austin walked over to AJ and said Hey man I am sorry I hate my Dad. Aj said he was a good kid and they talked after that,so I let it go, and they wrestled 2yrs later,with Austin winning and his dad was just as nice as he could be.Is winning so important to act like what he did after a loss ?You can say what you want about the way I handle matches but my son, and you can ask him anytime you want(after a loss) if he hates me.You see what he says.Some of his best matches were loses.He lost to an Indiana state champ in the finals of the Fern Creek tournament a few years back.He had the kid on his back the kid was winning so he tapped to get off his back and AJ lost 5-4.I had told him if he won I would give him $50 becase he loves money and will give his best to get it.I still gave him the money for the effort.I get mad when he disrespects anyone or don't try his best(by his own admission).Being consistant is his only problem(well wrestling wise) and he wants to wrestle in college I am working 7 days a week for him to go to ST.X and wrestling camps.I told him he can quite wrestling whenever he wants,but I won't keep paying for camps and tournaments if he has already quite. and yes he has been punished as you say the old school way,but they way is not very acceptable now days,and he forgets real quick.So I have taken other routes.So go ahead and turn my post around anyway you and some of your friends want,you and I got all are thoughts about each other out,so we can agree on one thing we don't understand each others way of thinking.Ranger if you read this I hope you know this was not about rankings,and thanks for taking the time to do them.I meant every word I said when you didn't have him ranked that was a very good attitude ajustment for him.I think now he knows he is in for a whole new ball game,something I could not convince him of.He still had himself on a pedastal.Now since your rankings he lifts with a sign on the wall"MIDDLE SCHOOL STUD AND HIGH DUD'.Now he just needs to figure out where he wants to be on that sign.

[Mpire 76]

Stalling ,THANKS ,you are the best of friends and we are lucky we have great kids "sometimes"LOLi am glad your still your own person amongst those who cave in to the cliques and become part of it never be one of those guys who holds his tounge not to make waves when things are obviously npt fair or wrong.sorry you catch heat hopefully Austin and JRs work together make it all worth it besides its fun being a rebel LMAO

[Mpire 76]

WHS98, WHY you cant take a hint and shut up at least when it concerns me or us i do not know as i said i do not know you i did not mention you or your kid and you had no reason to talk to mention me then or now but i have argued with haters and idiots for years so all i can say is i will try to entertain those listening in and have some fun . First off i did not say anything about Mr Murphy i said i hear you know a kid i trained a 7th grader Austin Murphy from Reading , Now judging from your post your starting to get the picture your boy beat him a few years back then After i trained him he beat your kid ,LOL get the picture . Now as for you trying to blast on or use his dad as a way to make me look bad for mentioning him ,His dad is a friend of mine and he is one of those DADS as are a lot of us he just goes to the extreme and then some ,now to let you know what kind of person i am me and him have came inches from killing each other over kids we both took our kids to MMA classes with all the best wrestlers in the city who were recruited to fight in the OHIO NAGA , He went berserk and everyone sat around watching him i could see he was loosing control and i grabbed him and said chill out your freaking out and he went berserk on me and it was on we both almost got arrested ,you see unlike most people i have always told coaches and people that if i ever get too mad say something oddly enough only one coach has ever said anything to me coach Cagniglia at Loveland and i always respected him for it and he was a great coach as well one of the best . Now everyone ellse on this site who knows me and knows who i know know that i am the firstto say Murphy is off the hook and he doesnt care as for the f bombs i have told him countless times to chill "its just him hes wrong at times in my opinion but what can you do but laugh about it ,, His kid is another story just because his dad gets carried away desnt mean everyone should diss his kid his kid trains hard has it hard at times and regardless of what you say about his dad he isnt a drunken whoremonger who ignores his kid or something there are worse things in life than a crasy wrestling dad .and i have made that point on some of my other posts recently ,its the kids thatare important,my beef with many people is that when you attack me you are actually saying things that may hurt my kids and most people talking smack are simply trying to do that slow their roll ,if my kids have to set out because some a hole on a site gets public opinion stirred up then i have a big problem if refs and people treat my kids differently because of anything other than what they do then i have a problem and right now i have a problem with you because you are starting crap with me for no reason trying to sway public opinion for no reason being a D head for no reason and you dont want a problem with me its not that i am a scary tough big guy as you seem to try to use in your examples to show your bravery LOL ,far from it i am an old handicapped man ,but i have played these board games and been through more than most probably ANYONE else ever and i always come out ok because when its all said and done I love my kids i am passionate about the sport and other sports and i am a genuine person who makes mistakes and can admitt it but dont mess with my kids because they and we go the extra mile i dont just set back and talk trash i know what i am doing i train my kids to be good athletes and wrestlers and i raise them to be respectful good kids and apparently unlike you i am good at it . The unique thing about you is your just a random idiot picking a fight with me to get yourself or your kid noticed or make what you do seem ok or something weird about your beef with coaches who you say talk about my kids or whatever idiocy you are talking about ,you have never had contact with me or my kids and your own is not effected by me or mine or anything that has to do with them ,you simply said thsi guy runs his mouth a lot used to argue a bunch so i will try and bash him to get some notice or some shine LOL you even bashed Wildman Murphy trying to make me look bad when everyone who knows me knows i only try to control him a little to keep him out of trouble and help his kid ,F bombs i know its bad but that guy cracks me up and everyone who is honest who knows him would admitt its hillarious at times we went to SK a long time ago and he started dropping f bombs and i was like chill out man your freaking out and he started dropping more What can you do . Kind of like you ,what can i do but laugh at you ,your not as smart as Murphy ,not smart enough to know when to shut up finally , not smart enough to say hey rather than argue with someone for no reason who would have helped me and my kid if the opportunity ever arose why dont i just pick his brain and do whats best for my kid listen learn and go from there ,no you have to continue to harass and talk smack about someone you dont know anything about ,keep it up and you may have a real reason not to like me, i enjoy training kids its the only thing im good at in this world creating monsters training and training others its all i have ever done and i do it better than anyone else you will ever meet do your research a little deeper than message board heresay check me out im an insane obsessed training winning freak and i hate to lose ,so much so that it left me beatup and broken i went down in battle with over a quarter ton of steel or so at my feet and my kids despite their teenage drama and egos know i am legit and thats why we do what we do ,i cant help it that Lawsons moved to KY and your scared of em beating your kid and cant blast them so you blast me because we already took heat ,I hear Murphy may be moving to KY as well i think he won grade school state here once already HAHAHAHAH thats another can of worms ,Let it go don't mention my name or my kids names dont ever talk to them or me dont come around dont call dont write just go back to lilliput or i wll train an army of lightweight monsters so fierce you will not just leave your kid stranded somewhere for loosing you will disown him ,and yes i can train some totally studly lightweights my son was one of the highest ranked 112 lb fresh man in the nation his fresh yr ,which makes me think of something i can train anyone any weight my other son was THE highest ranked 195 then 220 lb freshman in the nation ,HAHAHHAHAHAH yes i can brag as well .

think about it

[Austinmurphysdad 0]

Now that I am brought into an arguement in a state that my kid doesn't even wrestle...Mr. Bidner, I can't control who throws my sons name out there but I will say this....you are completely wrong on what happenned at Lakota East (not Mason) unlike others I can back my shit up with evidence. The match started with Austin (just turned 7) and your son AJ who I believe was 11 at the time...AJ comes out and hits Austin with a head and arm and Austin rolls threw, scrambled and AJ pushed Austin into a table, second period starts and Austin at 7 years old had AJ on the run the entire 2nd and 3rd period and yes I did yell stalling a few times. So this is where you have it wrong...after the match your son walked up to me and I put my hand out to shake his and he slapped it away laughing saying "Thats right I was f-ing stalling". After AJ walked away, one of the Kentucky coaches was laughing and I had a few words with that coach.....at no time did I EVER say anything smart to your kid. Also, I was never taken to the door and I never snuck back in and btw you werent there so you shouldn't be commenting on hear say from an 11 year old because none of that ever happenned. Also, Austin wrestled for Reading and Dickie Engle and Tim Kelley (both Ohio state champs) were in the corner so I don't know why a Mason coach would send you a PM because Austin wrestles for Reading. Lets fast forward to South Oldham...Austin was wrestling for Elder Jr high team as an elementary kid and my kid didn't even have his shoes tied up when your son came over and asked what weight he was going and then preceeded to tell Austin all of his credentials and yes Austin was ready for that match and did beat him I believe 8-0 (don't really remember the score) but I have that one on video too. If you had a problem with me with what I supposedly said to your son, you should have confronted me at South Oldham and you would have found out what really happened at Lakota East that day.

I will give props to Chris Meyer because before he started training Austin, he was nowhere near other nationally ranked kids and after one year of training with Chris, he placed 4th in Tulsa. If Chris was closer, Austin woudl still be training under Chris and picking his brain on the wrestling knowledge that he does have. For all you kids in the state of Kentucky, if you want to wrestle on a national level, I would totally have my kid train with Chris Meyers.

Mr. Bidner, if this conversation needs to go farther, you can get my # from Pin to win. James Murphy

[trithis 34]

Can I just say....Wow! This has got to be one of the most entertaining threads I have read in a long time. Now, it looks like Rumble Royal number whatever is about to start. Mr. Binder...I can't see you winning that match. You might need to find a good tag team partner.

[Mpire 76]

I don't know but people have a funny way of transitioning between the youth forum and the High School wrestling forum , I thought someone would wait till their kid actually wrestled a High school match before they started barking at the big dogs i mean why pick on a pack of full grown Rotts when you are carrying around a pocket pet that isn't weaned yet particularly when they don't even visit the same hydrants .

Maybe someone has been hittin the bottle again i mean attacking the Khsaa calling them spineless bush whacking the Mpire blasting on poor old Chad and that show boat TO for taking advantage of capitalism all because of some coaches who like wrestling or something who booted his kid off a team for bein a show boat himself or something I don't know I'm still confused this has been a pearl harbor moment for the Mpire maybe worse I didn't even have a clue who this guy was I still don't all I know is a kid who lived down the street from me that I trained a couple years ago on TEAM JAWS beat him and that his dad gets his facts mixed up a lot middle school Fargo champs ? Mason or Lakota ,Meyers or Myers , and I'm still trying to figure out who dropped the Fbomb at Lakota Murphy's dad or little Murphy's opponent Binders son , ordinarily I would say murph but I don't know the good folks in Ky tell me there's a fresh at x that has some language issues who may need some sportsmanship awareness classes not that I mind I hate losing to .

[stalling 7]

I don't know but people have a funny way of transitioning between the youth forum and the High School wrestling forum , I thought someone would wait till their kid actually wrestled a High school match before they started barking at the big dogs i mean why pick on a pack of full grown Rotts when you are carrying around a pocket pet that isn't weaned yet particularly when they don't even visit the same hydrants .

Maybe someone has been hittin the bottle again i mean attacking the Khsaa calling them spineless bush whacking the Mpire blasting on poor old Chad and that show boat TO for taking advantage of capitalism all because of some coaches who like wrestling or something who booted his kid off a team for bein a show boat himself or something I don't know I'm still confused this has been a pearl harbor moment for the Mpire maybe worse I didn't even have a clue who this guy was I still don't all I know is a kid who lived down the street from me that I trained a couple years ago on TEAM JAWS beat him and that his dad gets his facts mixed up a lot middle school Fargo champs ? Mason or Lakota ,Meyers or Myers , and I'm still trying to figure out who dropped the Fbomb at Lakota Murphy's dad or little Murphy's opponent Binders son , ordinarily I would say murph but I don't know the good folks in Ky tell me there's a fresh at x that has some language issues who may need some sportsmanship awareness classes not that I mind I hate losing to .

OMG this stuff is F-U-N-N-Y funny. Little dogs, big dogs, visiting hydrants lol classic!

[rideemout 16]

when is ranger going to put up new rankings!? i dont like dog fights

[trithis 34]

I don't have a dog in the fight and it's pretty comical.

[Mpire 76]

That's because your bark is worse than your bite .

Gotcha lol

[grappler-of-old 44]

Well I was thinking of refereeing this match but now I'm not sure.

Do I need to be a referee, a dog trainer, a fireman, an anger manegement specialist, a football official, or someone manning the big guns to knock out the Kamakazee pilots.

Heck I even saw that JAWS was back in the water, maybe I need a really BIG boat.

It does look like Rideemout needs a barking collor.

[rideemout 16]

my shock collar broke. because of how jacked i've been getting