Eaglewrestler16 4 Report post Posted January 5, 2012 Top 4 Teams without Trinity, Stx, Southern,Moore,Eastern. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mat-king 4 Report post Posted January 5, 2012 top 4 st.x, moore, southern, fairdale or central(hard to tell who will finish above the other with central and fairdale) in any order...........................all teams have good top seeds..............moore with rosado, central with jarvis, fairdale with maupin and southern with douglas........................ what teams have champions trying to defend there title this weekend? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mat-king 4 Report post Posted January 6, 2012 any known seeds yet? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eaglewrestler12 2 Report post Posted January 6, 2012 Manbearpig - That's correct. A 4 seed can still finish 2nd, but can't finish 2nd behind the 1 seed. He will need to beat the 1 in the semis to make the finals. Eaglewrestler12 - JCTC is at Western HS. Starts around 6:00 p.m. on Friday. Starts around 9:00 on Saturday. Or are you asking where Trinity varsity is wrestling?? Thanks! I needed the JCTC info. Although I am curious as to what Trinity is doing instead. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mat-king 4 Report post Posted January 6, 2012 2012/01/07 Gateway to the Best St. Louis, MO this is from the trinity schedule Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigedcoach 27 Report post Posted January 6, 2012 ok, who needs JCTC seeds? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigedcoach 27 Report post Posted January 6, 2012 JCTC Seeds 106 1 Douglas Sou 2 Moorman JTN 3 Adams Cen 4 Segal Man 113 Hall MOO Thompson Des Bautistia Sou 120 Crawley Sou Lymun Cen Pointer MOO Standafer Des Hawes Eas Segal Man Korphage X 126 Rosado MOO Smith Sou Miller Des Groves Cen Burke Mal Roberson PRP Abbason Sen Vish X 132 Lampe X Moore Man Berenguer Sou Burke Mal Thomas PRP Elkins Des Singleton Eas 138 Taylor Doss Cleveland FCR Melotte FAI Edwards PRP Dudley Des Salas Cen Barrett Sou Prewitt Man Jarboe X 145 Rupp Eas Lampe X Smith Moo Aguilar PRP England Man Cash Sou 152 Despain X Jacobs Sou Lopez Jtn Goldman FAI Valdez HC Hansgen Eas Roberson PRP 160 Jarvis Cen Plegor X O Neil Sou Keller MOO Pio FAI Bennett JTN King PRP 170 Maupin Fai Willibanks MOO Haddad X Martin JTN 182 Dykae Man Tompkins X Higdon IRQ Mc Daniel Moo Garrett Sou Leffler Fai Mashack Cen Gonzalez JTN Taylor Doss 195 Noe Sou Floyd Cen Harris Man May X Durham MOO Aurora Eas 220 Dozier Cen Roeder Wes Bradley Sou Walsh Des Wafzig X Ritchie Dos **** Conway of HC was seeded 3rd but withdrew 285 Ford Des Vincent HC Lord FCR Green Dos Smith X Enjoy the debate Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eaglewrestler16 4 Report post Posted January 6, 2012 Are these Seeds in order? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sting 2 Report post Posted January 6, 2012 At WCI ,Arora pinned Noe in the consolation round in 2:12. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coach Redmon 0 Report post Posted January 6, 2012 Are these Seeds in order? Yes, bigedcoach is the tournament director. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigedcoach 27 Report post Posted January 8, 2012 jctcbrackets.pdfteam scores JCTC.htmteam scores JCTC.htmteam scores JCTC.htmhere are the results to the JCTC and congradulations to Southern High School Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigedcoach 27 Report post Posted January 8, 2012 And now here is my commentary from this weekend's action, love it or hate it. Just offering insight that is either right or wrong. I just hope people enjoy reading First , Southern HS had their eyes on the prize and never looked else where. They won the 50/50 matches, pulled a few upsets (according to seeds, havent been around to see people, so I just go off the information I have) and the top wrestlers on their team did what was expected Second, wrestling in region 3 has come light years from 10 years ago when you could hold the region tournament in four hours on a friday night, I was impressed from the coaches not only from Southern but also Fairdale and PRP as well. their kids go hard but are becoming more technical wrestlers as well Third, The outstanding wrestler award Trevor Ford is a good heavyweight and deserved the award narrowly beating out Jake Maupin , who I think will be in the state finals again and Im sure a few more wrestlers had a case for the award but My ballott had the 145 from PRP, Aguliar. With big back to back wins over Rupp from Eastern and D. Lampe from St. X. I was impressed by his skills on his feet which payed off for this wrestler. Fourth, And I hope people understand this is a part of my personal personal beliefs from the sport of wrestling. Takedowns and Takedown efficiency is the most important part of wrestling to me. I watched several matches where kids literally gained 5 minutes of riding time and only winning a match 4-2 or losing a match where they were tied and on top riding in the 3rd period and the opponent escaped with20 seconds left. Its common knowlegde in competitive wrestling except for heavyweights that the hardest think to do is to score on top compared to bottom or neutral positions. High School wrestling does not score riding time, actually the rules lean towards against riding. Im not saying I saw a lot of stalling, 99 percent of the wrestlers I saw this weekend were very aggressive. My opinion for wrestling is to deflate them with 2-3 takedowns before trying to turn then, because you establish the pace of the match The good teams of the mid to late 90's where South Oldham and Woodford county. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pinned500 1 Report post Posted January 8, 2012 What happened at 120 I thought Poynter got 3rd? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sigep567 3 Report post Posted January 8, 2012 The results are reported wrong at 120. Hawes and Poynter went in to OT and Poynter got the takedown. Very good match though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pinthis 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2012 Sorry Bigedcoach, but the way a wrestler wrestles is his style. I am so sick of seeing refs taking over matches with the stalling crap. I saw stalling called way too many times in this JCTC, especially from one ref, to make me feel like wrestling has advanced in the state of Kentucky. Wrestling is about all facets of the sport, not just takedowns. Working from the top, stuffing the head, and getting the half is a part of this sport. JMO, but I think most would agree. Let them wrestle! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grappler-of-old 44 Report post Posted January 9, 2012 I also am sick of seeing high school wrestling turning into freestyle. Takedown, takedown, takedown, the rules have changed already to give the takedown master an edge. (Allowing the optional start, choosing neutral, now just telling the official I want him in his feet and give him the one escape) None of these rules were there in the good ole days when GOO wrestled. What exactly is the ultimate goal of wrestling? The Pin. The emphasis on takedowns has taken the the emphasis of a pin out of wrestling. I much prefer seeing a wrestler who can get reversals and run pinning combinations, than see a wrestler take down an opponent let him up take him down again, let him up Etc. etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ukpridewrestler11 276 Report post Posted January 9, 2012 Wait til state. Stalling is called almost immediately. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigedcoach 27 Report post Posted January 9, 2012 Im not really commenting on stalling as a hole, people want to see aggresive wrestling, riding does not score, I saw way too many matches that was 4-2, 3-1, and a few kids lose matches where they waisted too much time riding where they had an decisive advantage on their feet. Stalling needs to be called when its stalling, referees should decide matches but they should foster aggressive wrestling. Active wrestling that is done inside the 10 foot circle. Takedowns are 80- 90 percent of wrestling, no state champion has ever won with out being great on their feet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigedcoach 27 Report post Posted January 9, 2012 GOO out of my since of comedy, back when you wrestled on those old horse hair mats, It was a lot safer to stay down on the mat than on your feet,,,,lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nkawtg 137 Report post Posted January 9, 2012 The ultimate goal of wrestling is not to get a pin!!! The goal is to win. Of course one should do it within the rules with sportsmanship etc. Takedowns and being able to escape from the bottom are essential. The lack of being able to turn from the top is of no consequence in high school in every state. College is different--just ask Colt Sponsellor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
X-Force 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2012 Does anyone know how to contact the guy that was taking pictures on the floor, or his website address? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jbigdaddy 8 Report post Posted January 9, 2012 IMO, I would say that each person who comments on the stalling situation has a personal perspective due to experience, not really able to comment outside of their own benefit / loss. At least big Ed comments with less personal interest in match results. My personal experience is that certain teams teach stalling tactics as a way of winning matches. So, if you can just get a lead, then assume a certain style or position that keeps the score that way. These wrestlers will no longer work for points or pins late in the match. Honestly, my program does not spend any time teaching these tactics, but I am aware of the need to control a match (dictate its' pace) when you are winning. With that said, I felt that there were numerous occasions when stalling should have been called, and I am grateful for the refs who will enforce rules that have long been threatened. If the rules state that top man must work toward scoring / pinning, then anything less is stalling. If bottom man must work to score, then anything less is stalling. If neutral position must work toward take-downs / scores, then anything less is stalling. It is also interesting to me that the refs are most likely to call stalling on big guys, but I've often felt that smaller guys were guilty of the same things. I would also add one last comment: I think Larry Mann gave JCTC the best refs. I have great respect for Cattan and Shumate. I am learning to appreciate Rocky and Pikul. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pinthis 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2012 I'm pretty sure that the guy taking pictures was a Courier-Jounral photographer. I've seen him at other sports/events. When it comes to officiating, regardless of the sport, it's about judgement/opinion. That's why there are different strike zones in baseball depending on the umpire, even though the strike zone is clearly stated in the rule book. I think the refs did a great job overall this past weekend, but in some instances stalling and stalemates were called when a wrestler was trying to work his stuff from the top, or directly after an attempted takedown in the case of a couple of stalls. And not by any of the refs mentioned above. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigedcoach 27 Report post Posted January 10, 2012 go to courier-journal.com and the pics are there, nice pics at that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigedcoach 27 Report post Posted January 10, 2012 I never meant for this to be a stalling forum, I actually saw little stalling and the referees did a great job. I was commenting on the amount of time strategicly spent on riding. In tournament wrestling, you do what you need to do to win and advance but for a team to win, its big when you can score more points and get bounus points for the team score, also deflating your opponent by scoring a few takedowns makes it easier to turn and pin them is easier. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
