Weight Class Change Petition

[Charger Coach 14]

I think this could have and should have been done a little differently. I always thought the reason why the weight classes from 125-145 were so close was because that was where a majority of your kids who wrestled actually were weight-wise. Essentially, the weight class they added was 182 and the one they took away was 140. I think a better solution would have been to take 215 to 220 as they did, move 189 to 195 as they did, but instead of adding in 182, simply bumped 171 up to maybe 178 (still a 17 lb difference between the classes). Then you take 160 and move it to 167 or thereabouts (Again, still an 11 lb difference between classes). Take 152 and move it to 158 and 145 to 151 (Again pretty much the same difference). From there, take the rest of the weight classes and make it a 6 or 7 pound difference between them which was essentially was done (IE 103 to 106 or 107, 112 to 113 or 114, 119 to 120, 125 to 126, 130 to 132, 135 to 138 and 140 to 144. You still make the upper weights more managable without really affecting the integrity of your lower weight classes which is, like I stated, where most of your wrestlers are weight-wise. The problem is they didn't touch 152 or 160, which is they would have, everything would have worked out better for pretty much all teams as a whole (or at least I think). I can understand being concerned about a discrepancy in weight, but were we really concerned about a possible 18 lb difference between a 171 and 189 so much so that we had to add another weight class in there? You still have a 25 lb difference between 195 and 220 so is that really better than a 26 lb difference between 189 and 215? And did we really do the HWTs any favors? So we closed the possible huge weight gap in the HWT class by 5 lbs, big deal. When a kid weighs about 1/8 of a ton or a little more, 5 lbs really doesn't matter. Five pounds to a HWT is like flicking an ant off and elephant's back...you don't notice it. HWTs lose 5 lbs by taking a crap!!! Am I making sense here or just rambling?

[Charger Coach 14]

And I might add that last rant of mine is coming from a guy who wrestled HWT in high school and might be too heavy to wrestle sumo now so the fat guys hold a special place in my heart. All we've really done (and I'm saying this is more than likely true for all states not just Kentucky) is make the lower weight classes tougher from top to bottom as far as quality wrestlers while making the upper weight classes more diluted than they already were as far as the talent pool is concerned. It's ridiculous!!!

[Savage 5]

Are you telling me that the heavier guys (I'm not talking about 200+ guys but say 150-200) wouldnt cut weight if they only had 5 pounds to cut to get in the next lower weight clas?

Ranger- I understand your percentages. The point I'm trying to make is the strength and weight difference is the same in relation to the weights. Can you honestly say that giving up 5 pounds at 135 pounds is relatively the same as giving up 11 pounds at 170. If it is then, by that theory it should be as easy for a kid at 181 to cut to 170 as it is for a kid at 140 to get to 135.

It appears to me (and I fully admit I could be wrong) that the side of the argument most people fall on lies with where their own 'little Johnny' or their own club seems to fall. Obviously the schools that are heavy on the smaller weights think this is ridiculous while schools with more bigger kids(full disclosure-my kid and the program I'm associated struggles to find the little guy) think this is a little more fair. Look at Rangers lower weight rankings. How many middle schoolers are there? Is it because of the exception number of phenoms

[Savage 5]

Are you telling me that the heavier guys (I'm not talking about 200+ guys but say 150-200) wouldnt cut weight if they only had 5 pounds to cut to get in the next lower weight clas?

Ranger- I understand your percentages. The point I'm trying to make is the strength and weight difference is the same in relation to the weights. Can you honestly say that giving up 5 pounds at 135 pounds is relatively the same as giving up 11 pounds at 170. If it is then, by that theory it should be as easy for a kid at 181 to cut to 170 as it is for a kid at 140 to get to 135.

It appears to me (and I fully admit I could be wrong) that the side of the argument most people fall on lies with where their own 'little Johnny' or their own club seems to fall. Obviously the schools that are heavy on the smaller weights think this is ridiculous while schools with more bigger kids(full disclosure-my kid and the program I'm associated struggles to find the little guy) think this is a little more fair. Look at Rangers lower weight rankings. How many middle schoolers are there? Is it because of the exception number of phenoms at those weights? Or is it due to the lack of actual high school kids that are at those weights? I promise you I'm not knocking the quality of wrestling from those kids at that weight because my little 'Johnnie' was one of them once upon a time. But to knock the level of wrestling from larger weights when they aren't competing on the same playing field as smaller weights is as equally "ludacris". It's not comparing apples to apples.

Not sure why it posted partially the first time. My apologies.

[Ranger123 43]

I didn't say anything about losing weight. I'm not sure why everyone brings up weight loss in relation to the weight classes. I don't see any connection. Ease or difficulty in dropping a weight class is all about how much fat the kid has and their determination to make the weight. I could show you a ton of 140 pounders who can drop that 11 pounds much easier than many 181 pounders just becuase they have a determination to do it.

[MR NKY 3x 0]

Charger coach you seemed to have a good grasp of things ,seems they should havel left thtings as they were up to 145 then added an upper weight and evenend it up. There are always complaints at 103 some schools don't havem either way the cutting will still be there

[MR NKY 3x 0]

I'm sorry but ten times that many petitioners probably will not change things .its pretty much nation wide

[jbigdaddy 8]

I do think it is easier for a coach, parent, or wrestler to feel the impact of the weight changes on their own program, so most of us will struggle to see both sides. However, I will say that participation levels should be a huge consideration for weight classes, which all will agree favors the former weight classes. Wanting to lure more football players to wrestling is simply an inadequate argument for making changes. I agree that there is an on-going issue for the upper weight classes, but this is nothing new, it has always been an issue. Our program tends to attract the 240 pound heavy weight variety, which is cause for serious butt-whipping when we see the "full-size" heavies at state. But I'm okay with that, because it is the nature of the beast. If anything, heavy weight wrestlers demonstrate best the qualities of hand-fighting and football "lineman-ship" that we all crave to see on Saturdays and Sundays. I don't expect heavies to shoot much or move quickly around the mat, but when they do, it is awesome. I'm afraid the weight changes will expose a weaker area for our state, and personally I'm against it. However, I am recruiting harder than ever to fill these classes (isn't that all I can do?). Looking forward to this season !!

[MR NKY 3x 0]

I see those 240 ish numbers a lot but there are beasts out there waiting to take the heavies by storm one day ,there will be a 260+ lb lightning fast shooting blast standuping throwbying head an arming throw technician matt god from KY .i have a feeling .

BIG BLONDE HAIRED BLUE EYED NORSE GOD LOOKING FREAK OF NATURE .

[neverbreak 10]

I think it was back in the mid 90s when they had a major change in the high school weight classes. I can remember all the coaches and atheletes complaining and whinning about how the new weight classes (103-275) were unfair and it would hurt this size kid or that size kid. Well after a season or two everybody stopped waisting time complaining, adjusted their programs and started wrestling. Who cares if an athelete weighs 98lbs and is mad that the new weight class is 106 you have two months get your but in the gym and start putting some muscle on your frame. Same goes for the 205lb guy who is upset cause he has to go 220 instead of 215, Get your but in gear start dieting and working out and get your weight down. People who can't adjust to change are the people who will always be one step behind the competition.

[MR NKY 3x 0]

The reason there are so many lighter weights because kids spend all their lives dieting for wrestling there is no telling how many kids have stunted their growth dieting constantly ,yes its a part of the sport but no it is not good yr after yr for kids who are growing .whatever mix it up make a change ,change is what brings about growth and improvement it will be the same with the weight changes it will bring the best to the top maybe some bumps for some but the best will adapt.

[Ivan Putski 1]

The reason there are so many lighter weights because kids spend all their lives dieting for wrestling there is no telling how many kids have stunted their growth dieting constantly ,yes its a part of the sport but no it is not good yr after yr for kids who are growing .whatever mix it up make a change ,change is what brings about growth and improvement it will be the same with the weight changes it will bring the best to the top maybe some bumps for some but the best will adapt.

There's no telling how many zitty-faced, ugly, drug-induced goons there are out there artificially blowing themselves up, too.

[Buckeye 20]

My link

Data that the NFHS is feeding us looks a little flawed!

[MR NKY 3x 0]

Putski.Ha ha ha no doubt what a world we live in with so many people needing their fix of whatever it is .

Its a shame ,glad I got clean skin long pretty hair and 3 boys ,

Putz you need to bark up another tree with your pitiful knowledge of stereotypical artificially blown up types this ones to solid to be shaken by some little pups barking hahahah.

Enjoy the season as it fast approaches glad you have and will get to see some true wrestling legends ,polish power Ivan Putski .always liked him shame you blemish his myth.and a shame no one can blemish mine Bro I am the only

Mr NKY 3x for a reason and that reason is why people like you hate on me ,

Change the weights up ..who cares studs will be studs it will not change a thing just something for someone who is going to lose either way to whine about.

[MR NKY 3x 0]

There's no telling how many zitty-faced, ugly, drug-induced goons there are out there artificially blowing themselves up, too.

True story.

This is funny because I know of a coach at a HS in OH that dieted the hell out of his kid his whole life then took. him to a growth specialist or whatever they call it and said his kid was undersised...well no s&$t the kid hasn't eaten 3 meals a day ever anyway so now you have an OH state 103 lb state placer on Gh ....insanity and the kids dad is a freakin HS coach wow ....

[John Lampe 5]

I see those 240 ish numbers a lot but there are beasts out there waiting to take the heavies by storm one day ,there will be a 260+ lb lightning fast shooting blast standuping throwbying head an arming throw technician matt god from KY .i have a feeling .

BIG BLONDE HAIRED BLUE EYED NORSE GOD LOOKING FREAK OF NATURE .

I have no idea who you are talking about. Who could that possibly be? You've never posted anything on this website about him before. Maybe you should list his credentials again.

[MR NKY 3x 0]

Ha ha I only listed some of his credentials plenty more to go over .but you wouldn't be trying to goad me into bragging and making people mad would you, just take my word for it he's got more cred than you ever had as a fresh and a better rushing average as well hahah.

Look for the Blonde Haired Blue Eyed Brave who will be standing higher on the podium than any other fresh in the state over about 130 or so and is about to be a multiple x state champ .

All bs aside .... I am very proud!!!!!!!!

[grappler-of-old 44]

Ha ha I only listed some of his credentials plenty more to go over .but you wouldn't be trying to goad me into bragging and making people mad would you, just take my word for it he's got more cred than you ever had as a fresh and a better rushing average as well hahah.

Look for the Blonde Haired Blue Eyed Brave who will be standing higher on the podium than any other fresh in the state over about 130 or so and is about to be a multiple x state champ .

All bs aside .... I am very proud!!!!!!!!

Now you got it Mr. NKY. I think you will find that most on this site are no where near whay you get on Yappi and those other wrestling sites.

After viewing those sites I can see how you came in guns blazzing.

Sit back have some fun, watch some wrestling, give some opinions, brag a little, and just enjoy the season.

I'll see ya on (or more likely for me on the side of) the wrestling mats.

GOO out.

[Guest cmccoy]

Thank you GOO. Exactly my point in the Rankings page. We are not those sites and I think we are all proud of that. Im ok with the bragging, etc. but when it comes to throwing stones about who beat who and what team is better and accusations of ducking....lets just see from December to February.

[MR NKY 3x 0]

Whoops

[MR NKY 3x 0]

Don't agree with knocking anyone parent wrestler or coach but talking rankings you will talk wins and losses.and no shows

[Guest cmccoy]

I do not agree with knocking any parents, wrestlers, coaches, officials, etc. in a public forum. I read what was said on the Ohio sites and think it looks bad. I understand you bragging. Any parent would. I understand you talking about accomplishments. Any parent would. I do not agree with personal attacks. Just my opinion. Again, welcome to KY. And in no way am I directing all of this toward Mr. NKY. Others came on and stirred the pot as well. I hope I am being clear in my point. All of that said...I'm tired of talking about it. Lets talk wrestling in Kentucky. There are several great things going on...New Teams, New Weight Classes, New State Tournament site (which means new concessions), Head Coaches in New places, and teams with a lot of tradition still needing coaches (Seneca). Lets get some conversation started about that.

[Charger Coach 14]

Yeah, let's talk about teams needing coaches. It's hard to believe that Seneca is still without a coach right now. There has to be a former Chuck Anderson wrestler who will step up and take the reigns over there. Or maybe the old grizzly himself will pop another cough drop in and came out of retirement. That would be great to see.

[MR NKY 3x 0]

Thank you Cmccoy,a lot of pot stirring and personal attacks on some sites,you can ignore it for so long or fight back with facts to push buttons and mak e those making bad comments even madder ,noticed some haters followed over to the ky site "you can tell by the # of posts they have made and who they comment on. I love KY ,always have, and everyone I love is there .Lots of friends in OH wish them all well.Hope my boys can represent Ky with the same enthusiasm they did Oh ,but being born in ky and coming from there they always did represent Ky .

HS is tough ,kids change and life changes them,I did what I could to keep mine set on the goal ,hope I can do the same for my youngest boy.

Have a great yr Ky

As for the petition I doubt it makes a difference