Wrestling247365 1 Report post Posted February 28, 2023 1 hour ago, halfhalfhalf said: Just because they've all been there before and have called high level matches is subjective. Especially when the calls are hit and miss at best for a few. I have kept quiet publicly on this but those who I respect and talk too on issues I have said this too. What needs to occur/brought back is an evaluation process of officials similar to how it was when I first came to KY and the senior officials who are out/getting out to be out evaluating and mentoring young officials. You want to increase the number of referees?? Then teams with a big coaching staff quit hoarding coaches and send one to get ref certified. It's okay to miss one when you have 7-10 coaches on staff. There are currently 4 teams out of 122 that have VARSITY coaches who have reffed this season to include 2 of the 4 reffing in a tournament their team is in. Couldn't agree more on having coaches licensed! I understand the programs that have 1 or 2 coaches. But the ones that have 4 or more, have them get their liscense. Only if they work 1 or 2 events all season it makes it that easier to get events covered. When youth and middle school took off 20 year ago or so we saw a huge decline in younger officials getting on the mats. They went into coaching instead. We need younger officials now more than ever. But we cant have youth, middle, and high school coaches screaming and yelling at them. Running them off and leaving a bad taste in their mouths. There will be multiple events canceled due to lack of officials. Already having a few a season right now. Fill out the info below to recieve information on how to become an official https://www.jotform.com/230434326549052 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
halfhalfhalf 122 Report post Posted February 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Wrestling247365 said: Couldn't agree more on having coaches licensed! I understand the programs that have 1 or 2 coaches. But the ones that have 4 or more, have them get their liscense. Only if they work 1 or 2 events all season it makes it that easier to get events covered. When youth and middle school took off 20 year ago or so we saw a huge decline in younger officials getting on the mats. They went into coaching instead. We need younger officials now more than ever. But we cant have youth, middle, and high school coaches screaming and yelling at them. Running them off and leaving a bad taste in their mouths. There will be multiple events canceled due to lack of officials. Already having a few a season right now. Fill out the info below to recieve information on how to become an official https://www.jotform.com/230434326549052 In my experience.... It's more youth and middle school coaches screaming and yelling. HS Coaches at times do, but it is NO where near as bad as it was 5-6 years ago. There is a difference in having a conversation during a heated moment and being cussed out. If that occurs they can be removed. Which needs to occur more to get the problem under control more so at the youth levels. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grappler-of-old 44 Report post Posted February 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Ranger123 said: Good stuff there GOO. Sort of surprised at the balance between semi-states, but with only a 16 man bracket (8-8 split) it almost forces a certain level of balance. I think the finalist and champ numbers confirm SS1 was clearly stronger at the top this year. And region 1 is TOUGH right now. This is reminiscent of the good ole days when Hop-town and Christian were dominating in the West with Caldwell and Union not far behind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bobby Lee Schwartz 1 Report post Posted February 28, 2023 19 hours ago, OhioWrestler&Reff68 said: So Scotty, we now have to pick and choose when to call stalling or any other calls and forgo the rule book? In all my years and all the places that I've officiated I've never heard of this "unwritten rule". Is it a KY rule that I haven't learned yet? I remember Herron getting called for stalling for having the foot pinned against the butt and it was call with a few seconds left. I guess there are others who don't know about this rule besides Andrew Dennison. Rule book is clear on the matter, and I saw that JackFlash posted it word for word from both books. I am missing where is says-just never ever do it in a state championship match and all others its ok to call? -Andrew Dennison I thought this was interesting... From the Courier Journal "Ferree won the 157-pound state title last year but said it wasn’t completely satisfying because the victory was sealed on a stalling violation." “That kind of haunted me ever since because I felt like people could always hang an asterisk,” Ferree said. “But tonight was my moment to prove to people that I was worthy of this title and that I deserved it. It feels great to go down in the books as one of those great Trinity wrestlers.” "Guillaume’s 2-1 victory over Whitehead was sealed with a somewhat controversial stalling call in the final seconds." 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CoachBauer 5 Report post Posted February 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Bobby Lee Schwartz said: I thought this was interesting... From the Courier Journal "Ferree won the 157-pound state title last year but said it wasn’t completely satisfying because the victory was sealed on a stalling violation." “That kind of haunted me ever since because I felt like people could always hang an asterisk,” Ferree said. “But tonight was my moment to prove to people that I was worthy of this title and that I deserved it. It feels great to go down in the books as one of those great Trinity wrestlers.” "Guillaume’s 2-1 victory over Whitehead was sealed with a somewhat controversial stalling call in the final seconds." Not overly surprising. Jason Frakes that writes the courier journal hs sports articles has held a pro-Trinity anti-St.X stance for years. It was so bad that when St. X won in 2013 the coaches declined to be interviewed by him. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wrestling247365 1 Report post Posted February 28, 2023 2 hours ago, halfhalfhalf said: In my experience.... It's more youth and middle school coaches screaming and yelling. HS Coaches at times do, but it is NO where near as bad as it was 5-6 years ago. There is a difference in having a conversation during a heated moment and being cussed out. If that occurs they can be removed. Which needs to occur more to get the problem under control more so at the youth levels. Correct youth and middle school are used as training grounds a lot of times. That's were we loose the younger officials Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GentleBeard 145 Report post Posted February 28, 2023 15 minutes ago, CoachBauer said: Not overly surprising. Jason Frakes that writes the courier journal hs sports articles has held a pro-Trinity anti-St.X stance for years. It was so bad that when St. X won in 2013 the coaches declined to be interviewed by him. Both statements can be true. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ranchy 7 Report post Posted February 28, 2023 6 hours ago, Ranger123 said: Good stuff there GOO. Sort of surprised at the balance between semi-states, but with only a 16 man bracket (8-8 split) it almost forces a certain level of balance. I think the finalist and champ numbers confirm SS1 was clearly stronger at the top this year. And region 1 is TOUGH right now. 6 hours ago, grappler-of-old said: Time to change gears a little bit. Here are the stats on State. Semi Stat in Order Placers----------------Finalists--------------Champs--------------Team points SS1----56 SS1----17 SS1----11 SS2----799 SS2----56 SS2----11 SS2----2 SS1----773 Region in order Placers---------------Finalists----------Champs-------Team Points R1----22 R1----8 R1----6 R1----392 R5----21 R3----6 R3----3 R5----278 R3----18 R4----4 R2----2 R3----266 R6----14 R5----3 R5----2 R6----229.5 R7----13 R2----2 R7----1 R7----159.5 R4----9 R7----2 R4----0 R8----131 R8----8 R8----2 R6----0 R4----120.5 R2----7 R4----1 R8----0 R2----115 I thought there were three champs from ss2 Blevins evans and isn’t reeves from ss2? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grappler-of-old 44 Report post Posted February 28, 2023 Yep that was a typo I fixed it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grappler-of-old 44 Report post Posted March 1, 2023 Best throw of the tournament that I saw was Charlie McKune in his 3rd place match against Ricketts. Does anyone have a video or picture of that throw? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coachteater 70 Report post Posted March 1, 2023 5 minutes ago, grappler-of-old said: Best throw of the tournament that I saw was Charlie McKune in his 3rd place match against Ricketts. Does anyone have a video or picture of that throw? I know you dont do fb, instagram, or tiktok, but its on moores pages. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
halfhalfhalf 122 Report post Posted March 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, coachteater said: I know you dont do fb, instagram, or tiktok, but its on moores pages. forward it to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grappler-of-old 44 Report post Posted March 1, 2023 Now c'mon I may not use them but I do have a fb. lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brody’sbrother 1 Report post Posted March 1, 2023 1 hour ago, grappler-of-old said: Best throw of the tournament that I saw was Charlie McKune in his 3rd place match against Ricketts. Does anyone have a video or picture of that throw? Here is the link to the match Charlie McKune vs Lucas Ricketts it’s at 2:40 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grappler-of-old 44 Report post Posted March 1, 2023 Thank you. I saw it from the opposite direction. This angle does not really show just how much of an arch Charlie had on this throw. He arched so far he was facing the mat before they hit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brody’sbrother 1 Report post Posted March 1, 2023 17 minutes ago, grappler-of-old said: Thank you. I saw it from the opposite direction. This angle does not really show just how much of an arch Charlie had on this throw. He arched so far he was facing the mat before they hit. Here’s the floor video 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grappler-of-old 44 Report post Posted March 1, 2023 Here are some more stats comparing Semi State 1 and 2 Semi State 1 won 214 matches Semi State 2 won 206 matches. The most dominating Semi State weight class was at 113 Where Semi State 2 won 21 matches to Semi State 2 winning 9 matches. Here is where each Semi State faired in weight classes. SS1 157-- 19 to 11 190-- 19 to 11 150--18 to 12 165-- 18 to 12 175-- 18 to 12 138-- 16 to 14 SS2 113-- 21 to 9 126-- 20 to 10 106-- 16 to 14 132-- 16 to 14 Hwt-- 16 to 14 Tied 120-- 15 to 15 144-- 15 to 15 215-- 15 to 15 Maybe if I get time I will compare regions. Yes I know I am a nerd. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestling fan 0 Report post Posted March 5, 2023 On 2/27/2023 at 2:11 PM, GentleBeard said: I wonder where that ranks all-time? I feel like that amount of state titles in a single bracket is an all-timer. Add another, Nick Giompalo just won his 2nd state title for Cabell Midland at 190 lbs. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alien01 18 Report post Posted March 5, 2023 On 2/26/2023 at 10:05 PM, Ol'School ky said: I saw that match differently than you guys, I thought the MS kid was definitely the aggressor for most of the match. St. X kid could have been called for stalling several times but wasnt. Locking in double unders and pushing out of bounds, i saw that called as a stall on the pusher all weekend. I felt bad for the MS kid. Bad way to lose a finals match. I will say i have seen that official blow alot of matches and has a huge ego problem, when approached by coaches he is dismissive and condescending to them. Just my opinion. The person being backed out has the responsibility to circle back in or get hit with stalling. Gets called like that Nationwide. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alien01 18 Report post Posted March 5, 2023 On 3/1/2023 at 11:03 AM, Brody’sbrother said: Here’s the floor video the Greco Roman he does in the off season really show's in Charlie's matches when people come forward on him with underhooks,1 underhook or over under. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
385 109 Report post Posted March 6, 2023 On 2/27/2023 at 12:26 PM, gameface said: Add another state champ from Campbell County 2022, Jonah Bowers and Brayden Brown is at Legacy in Ohio. That’s at least 12-13 state titles in that bracket. I remember little Nate Sawyer always looked so mean, but was such a nice kid. Did Nate give up wrestling in high school? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gameface 253 Report post Posted March 8, 2023 On 3/4/2023 at 9:14 PM, wrestling fan said: Add another, Nick Giompalo just won his 2nd state title for Cabell Midland at 190 lbs. That’s pretty impressive. Congratulations to Nicky G on another State Championship!! Awesome young man. Hard to believe that Nick and Jude were the same size as Cole and Spencer. LOL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grappler-of-old 44 Report post Posted March 20, 2023 OK I went all nerd again with the statistics. I looked at all the teams in each region and determined how many wt classes each team filled. this is what I came up with. I found it interesting that the largest number of teams had a full squad (20 teams had 14 wrestlers at region) Team Count R1 R2 R3 R4 R5 R6 R7 R8 Total 14 2 3 3 3 2 3 1 3 20 13 3 2 2 1 2 1 0 1 12 12 1 2 2 0 2 1 0 1 9 11 1 0 2 2 3 1 4 1 14 10 3 2 1 1 1 3 2 2 15 9 1 0 1 6 2 1 1 1 13 8 1 0 2 1 0 2 1 3 10 7 0 2 1 2 0 0 3 0 8 6 1 0 0 0 1 1 0 2 5 5 0 1 0 1 0 0 1 2 5 4 0 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 3 3 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 3 5 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 Total Wrestlers 146 140 160 168 145 142 121 164 1186 # Teams 14 15 15 17 13 14 13 20 Wrestlers Wrestlers # Teams # Teams R4 168 SS1 614 R8 20 SS1 61 R8 164 SS2 572 R4 17 SS2 60 R3 160 R2 15 R1 146 R3 15 R5 145 R1 14 R6 142 R6 14 R2 140 R5 13 R7 121 R7 13 Total 1186 Total 121 Region wrestler and teams.xlsx Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Debo 5 Report post Posted March 21, 2023 KHSAA needs to change the rules back that 19 year olds are ineligible to compete in athletics! A 19 year old competing against a 14-16 year old should not be allowed! If you place as a 19 year old there should definitely be an asterisk next to their name! Kentucky is one of the few states where this is still allowed! coaches, parents and fans complain about officiating at every level from amateur to professional! One thing is you never here Champions complaining! Stop using the officials as an excuse! Yes there are bad calls here and there but Champions overcome! To everybody that complains I’m sure the state would be more than happy to have you sign up and start officiating! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grappler-of-old 44 Report post Posted March 21, 2023 5 hours ago, Debo said: KHSAA needs to change the rules back that 19 year olds are ineligible to compete in athletics! A 19 year old competing against a 14-16 year old should not be allowed! If you place as a 19 year old there should definitely be an asterisk next to their name! Kentucky is one of the few states where this is still allowed! coaches, parents and fans complain about officiating at every level from amateur to professional! One thing is you never here Champions complaining! Stop using the officials as an excuse! Yes there are bad calls here and there but Champions overcome! To everybody that complains I’m sure the state would be more than happy to have you sign up and start officiating! 19 year old's have always been allowed to compete. The cut off was changed form (you must be 18 when the season started to, You must be 18 when August started) Why punish a kid who may have struggled in gradeschool? If you look at my other post in "Sportsmanship" you can see that KY is more strict than others at age. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites