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3 hours ago, wc1992 said:

Yes the proposal that I saw also included girls weight classes.  That was not voted upon yet just the proposal that I saw. 

That would be a nice step forward even if all states are not sponsoring girls wrestling yet.  I hated going to high school tournaments where the girls used the same weights as the boys in a girls division.  

I am not a fan of the proposed lower weight changes on the boys side.  I can live with the upper weight changes since many small schools can struggle to fill both 220 and 285.

To me, it doesn't seem like lower weights are affected all that much....all just bumping up a pound or two, and no weight classes lost in terms of numbers.  195 seems to be the weight that goes away, as those kids will have to cut to 189 or move up to 215 and will be affected the most.  A kid who's 220 now can either cut a little bit of weight, or just eat what ever they want.  I think it makes 220 and 285 more competitive.  Overall, I don't mind the proposal. I don't think it will be all that disruptive to the majority of teams as most teams now only have to find 3 big guys instead of 4, and one less weight class will make the days a little shorter.  Hard for me to argue against the proposal.

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I agree with adjusting the weights to move closer to college, but I think they should let it be a few lbs under the college limits so kids can adjust and grow a little bit into the weight instead of cutting down if they’re still growing/maturing. I think they should be: 108,115,122,130,138,145,153,161,172,182,195,215,285.

in this case there are 13 weights but there is still the 106 range weight and 215/220 range

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I like this with the 108 but I think as it goes up in weights I would like to see change in upper weights something like this might help.

108, 115, 123, 131, 143, 155, 167, 178, 189,  200, 230 & 285

I just think it would help a big guy 240 not to have to cut 20 or Wrestle someone 45 pounds bigger. This might help get more football guys out without cutting them.

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Here is the breakdown of forfeits by weight in Ohio this year.

106 233
113 211
120 205
132 140
138 131
145 127
152 120
160 133
170 162
182 185
195 192
220 215
285 204
Total 2258
Per Team 3.873
  583 Teams

Here is the breakdown of forfeits by weight in Indiana this year.

106 110
113 103
120 94
132 59
138 52
145 41
152 50
160 49
170 51
182 69
195 73
220 75
285 63
Total 889
Per Team 2.877
  309 Teams

Here is the breakdown of forfeits by weight in Kentucky this year.

106            32

113            25

120            31

126            32

132            25

138            29

145            19

152            20

160            24

170            35

182            27

195            33

220            30

285            31

total           393

per team 3.93

100 teams entered in region.   Is that number of teams correct??????

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Keep it at 14 weigh classes. I would build around the college weight classes. 106, 113, 119, 125, 133, 141, 149, 157, 165, 174, 184, 197, 225, 285. I'd also do away with the 2 lbs. after Christmas.

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On 4/27/2020 at 10:50 AM, BigBossMan said:

Keep it at 14 weigh classes. I would build around the college weight classes. 106, 113, 119, 125, 133, 141, 149, 157, 165, 174, 184, 197, 225, 285. I'd also do away with the 2 lbs. after Christmas.

I agree with this except for the doing away with the 2 lbs. Instead of doing away with the 2 lbs. let's go back to wrestlers having to make scratch weight one time to qualify for the weight class. 

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25 minutes ago, naplesme said:

I agree with this except for the doing away with the 2 lbs. Instead of doing away with the 2 lbs. let's go back to wrestlers having to make scracth weight one time to qualify for the weight class. 

that I agree with 100%

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On 4/25/2020 at 2:58 PM, take em to the mat said:

Here is the breakdown of forfeits by weight in Ohio this year.

106 233
113 211
120 205
132 140
138 131
145 127
152 120
160 133
170 162
182 185
195 192
220 215
285 204
Total 2258
Per Team 3.873
  583 Teams

Here is the breakdown of forfeits by weight in Indiana this year.

106 110
113 103
120 94
132 59
138 52
145 41
152 50
160 49
170 51
182 69
195 73
220 75
285 63
Total 889
Per Team 2.877
  309 Teams

Here is the breakdown of forfeits by weight in Kentucky this year.

106            32

113            25

120            31

126            32

132            25

138            29

145            19

152            20

160            24

170            35

182            27

195            33

220            30

285            31

total           393

per team 3.93

100 teams entered in region.   Is that number of teams correct??????

When you take into account that in many circumstances we bump up a kid to fill an upper weight (which can’t happen at 106), it seems pretty clear that 106 isn’t as big of a forfeit issue as everyone makes it out to be. I guarantee a significant number of the non-forfeits at 220/285 are kids who weigh 185-200 pounds. 

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I agree that a wrestler should make scratch weight before he gets the 2lbs its not a "growth allowance"' if never made scratch  its a "loss allowance" how Ky does it . I know Ohio has to make scratch first

 

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2 hours ago, heavy83 said:

I agree that a wrestler should make scratch weight before he gets the 2lbs its not a "growth allowance"' if never made scratch  its a "loss allowance" how Ky does it . I know Ohio has to make scratch first

 

Must make scratch in Indiana. 

 

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On 5/13/2020 at 4:31 PM, Ranger123 said:

When you take into account that in many circumstances we bump up a kid to fill an upper weight (which can’t happen at 106), it seems pretty clear that 106 isn’t as big of a forfeit issue as everyone makes it out to be. I guarantee a significant number of the non-forfeits at 220/285 are kids who weigh 185-200 pounds. 

I saw some small 220's at state. 

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Pennsylvania started the talk about reducing the number of weight classes.  Their reasoning was the amount of forfeits that were occuring in dual meets as a great number of teams could not field full line ups.  They proposed going from 14 to 12 weight classes and at one time stated they were going to do that regardless of NFHS approval, though I don't know if that's still the case.  The addition of the 14th weight class in the mid 90s did open another spot for wrestlers, but I do understand that no one wants to see forfeits in dual meets.

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