Kentuckywrestling.com 2024-25 Season Rankings - February 6

[Ranger123 43]

This isn't a complete ranking update, but I hit most of the high points.  I have a feeling there are a few weight adjustments that will happen late, but this is the best guess at this point.  I have also removed a few wrestlers that don't have any results posted for at least 6-8 weeks, so my assumption is they may be out with injuries or other things for the remainder of the season.

It appears as though we are getting a wave of new fan traffic on the site, so a few notes on these rankings:

- I've been doing this for about 30 years for everyone's enjoyment and exactly zero compensation

- you wouldn't believe me if I told you how many hours are spent doing the research to make regular, accurate updates

- even with all those hours, some results will be missed either through human error or because coaches don't keep track updated 

- only 1 wrestler per team per weight, which can get messy as there are roster battles or teams shift lineups.  most coaches don't share who the starters are so I have to make an assumption

- big wins are great, but losses DO matter, so just because little Johnny beat the kid ranked 18th doesn't mean he should be ranked 18th if he is 2-18 with 18 losses to kids who are not ranked.  With that records don't mean a whole lot if you don't have some good wins. For example, you could be 40-0 but if you haven't qualified for state before and don't have a single win over a ranked wrestler you may not make the top 30 because there is no reference point to show you are better than anyone on the list

- this season there are a number of weights where kids have lots of conflicting results, i.e. they have a number of good wins are top 20 guys but also have a few losses to unranked or very low ranked guys.  With that their ranking may be adjusted and they may fall behind a kid they have beaten if they don't have those suspect losses.  And let me tell you, there are a lot of those situations this year

- in the end it doesn't really matter, so don't take it too personal.  the kids will wrestle it out at region and state and decide who is the best on the mat, but this is good information for reference, discussion, and to build up excitement when we get certain matchups

 

I'm sure there are a lot more notes, but it's been a long week, so that's enough for now.

Rankings_24_25_0206.pdf

[ClamChowder 5]

No lack of appreciation from here, thank you!

 

[PPmothman 24]

A lot of rumors floating around about weights. Hunter Jenkins going to 150 to revenge a loss to Johns.  But looks like Johns was at 157 this weekend. Hearing Ren Burke is going to 150. Which means he will go from number 3 @144 (with Jenkins moving up) to number probably 3 at 150. Also hearing Roberts might be moving to 150. Could go from 144 being stack to it being empty and 150 being stacked. This time of year always gets interesting. Especially with very few tournaments next week. 

[Alien01 23]

17 hours ago, PPmothman said:

A lot of rumors floating around about weights. Hunter Jenkins going to 150 to revenge a loss to Johns.  But looks like Johns was at 157 this weekend. Hearing Ren Burke is going to 150. Which means he will go from number 3 @144 (with Jenkins moving up) to number probably 3 at 150. Also hearing Roberts might be moving to 150. Could go from 144 being stack to it being empty and 150 being stacked. This time of year always gets interesting. Especially with very few tournaments next week. 

Guys would change weight classes this late in the year after being at a different one all year? Is that common? I know for duals it is bt indivual weights I have not seen that much.

[PPmothman 24]

No it’s not common but seems to be the case. The Raneys cause some kids to cut and go up I believe. 

[Alien01 23]

1 hour ago, PPmothman said:

No it’s not common but seems to be the case. The Raneys cause some kids to cut and go up I believe. 

Oh thats for sure regarding the Raneys.

[PPmothman 24]

Looking at some results and it looks like 
Isaac Johns

Hunter Jenkins

Ren Birk

Keygen Roberts

Ryan Smith

Luke Knight

Xavier Gonzales 

TJ Hicks (with a win over Knight you have to mention him)

at 150. That quickly became the deepest weight class. 

[1982Wrestler 24]

23 hours ago, PPmothman said:

A lot of rumors floating around about weights. Hunter Jenkins going to 150 to revenge a loss to Johns.  But looks like Johns was at 157 this weekend. Hearing Ren Burke is going to 150. Which means he will go from number 3 @144 (with Jenkins moving up) to number probably 3 at 150. Also hearing Roberts might be moving to 150. Could go from 144 being stack to it being empty and 150 being stacked. This time of year always gets interesting. Especially with very few tournaments next week. 

Hunter Jenkins is definitely 150!!!

[DrBaker 529]

13 hours ago, PPmothman said:

Looking at some results and it looks like 
Isaac Johns

Hunter Jenkins

Ren Birk

Keygen Roberts

Ryan Smith

Luke Knight

Xavier Gonzales 

TJ Hicks (with a win over Knight you have to mention him)

at 150. That quickly became the deepest weight class. 

Gist of Valley is still unbeaten(kinda). Who really knows how good he is?

[Jimbobert 22]

1 hour ago, DrBaker said:

Gist of Valley is still unbeaten(kinda). Who really knows how good he is?

Who has he wrestled? You with this unbeaten thing. Bro isn't hanging with Jenkins or Johns 

[DrBaker 529]

13 minutes ago, Jimbobert said:

Who has he wrestled? You with this unbeaten thing. Bro isn't hanging with Jenkins or Johns 

The unbeaten thing has always been a thing. Happens every year. I love the unbeaten thing and sometimes its hard to gauge how good someone is. Some people can make that big jump from top 10 to number 1. Its just something to add some excitement. I don't think he hangs with the top 2, but we don't really know until he gets a shot.

[Jimbobert 22]

1 hour ago, DrBaker said:

The unbeaten thing has always been a thing. Happens every year. I love the unbeaten thing and sometimes its hard to gauge how good someone is. Some people can make that big jump from top 10 to number 1. Its just something to add some excitement. I don't think he hangs with the top 2, but we don't really know until he gets a shot.

I guess, I just can't put any legitimacy to a list without Jordyn and Jayden. 

[Joe Whitt 1]

Ranger, there are many like me who appreciate what you do.

We understand you do not have all the data, and you are constantly bombarded with individual match scores.

I encourage everyone to appreciate that we have rankings at all (regardless of the level of accuracy), and remember that what matters is what happens on the mat in the post season.

Thanks again for all you do.

Joe

[Alien01 23]

On 2/10/2025 at 9:23 AM, DrBaker said:

Gist of Valley is still unbeaten(kinda). Who really knows how good he is?

He got taken down multiple times by an unknown kid from Eastern a couple weeks ago but seemed to be kind of coasting. Does not generate much offense so Johns or Jenkins could TF him IMO.

[Jimbobert 22]

12 minutes ago, Alien01 said:

He got taken down multiple times by an unknown kid from Eastern a couple weeks ago but seemed to be kind of coasting. Does not generate much offense so Johns or Jenkins could TF him IMO.

100% agree but I think Jenkins pins 

[Alien01 23]

6 hours ago, Jimbobert said:

100% agree but I think Jenkins pins 

Yes or  that but Im saying after watching him I think he's undefeated because of the lack of strength of schedule more than his wrestling level.

[Ranger123 43]

Interesting discussion about records.  Not speaking to this particular situation or kid, but as a general rule, I completely ignore records.  What I have learned in my 30 years of coaching is more and more schedules are NOT created equal and records don't really tell us much and in fact can be quite deceiving.  And it's not always the fault of the wrestler or team.  Their schedule is their schedule.  But it also shouldn't reflect negatively on a wrestler who takes losses on a team with a schedule full of hammers.

In this specific situation, yes Gist is undefeated (ignoring MFF).  That has virtually nothing to do with his ranking.  He began the season highly ranked based on his previous seasons and has held that position for the most part by winning the matches in front of him.  Now if the weight changes as potentially mentioned above, guys who come in with a better resume may push him down the rankings.

[Regional Qualifier 16]

2 hours ago, Ranger123 said:

Interesting discussion about records.  Not speaking to this particular situation or kid, but as a general rule, I completely ignore records.  What I have learned in my 30 years of coaching is more and more schedules are NOT created equal and records don't really tell us much and in fact can be quite deceiving.  And it's not always the fault of the wrestler or team.  Their schedule is their schedule.  But it also shouldn't reflect negatively on a wrestler who takes losses on a team with a schedule full of hammers.

Well said.  At different state tournaments I have seen/heard people snicker or make remarks regarding a kid's record, then go out and get beat fairly easily by said kid.  People need to realize that it is rather normal for a kid who's team spends the majority of their schedule in Ohio, Indiana, etc. to have 5-10 losses and still place high on the podium or even win it. 

It's not the kid's fault, because like you said their schedule is their schedule, but it is easy to have a very good record when you wrestle solely in Kentucky and have 6-10 wins over the same kid. 

[Alien01 23]

6 hours ago, Ranger123 said:

Interesting discussion about records.  Not speaking to this particular situation or kid, but as a general rule, I completely ignore records.  What I have learned in my 30 years of coaching is more and more schedules are NOT created equal and records don't really tell us much and in fact can be quite deceiving.  And it's not always the fault of the wrestler or team.  Their schedule is their schedule.  But it also shouldn't reflect negatively on a wrestler who takes losses on a team with a schedule full of hammers.

In this specific situation, yes Gist is undefeated (ignoring MFF).  That has virtually nothing to do with his ranking.  He began the season highly ranked based on his previous seasons and has held that position for the most part by winning the matches in front of him.  Now if the weight changes as potentially mentioned above, guys who come in with a better resume may push him down the rankings.

Very true!

[385 111]

On 2/6/2025 at 9:32 PM, Ranger123 said:

It appears as though we are getting a wave of new fan traffic on the site, so a few notes on these rankings:

We used to argue and cuss and spit and fight on this site back in the day and I am very much here for getting back to that.

[DrBaker 529]

Win % was used in regional seatings and kicked some kids with great losses to 2nd, 3rd, and 4th seeds. 

[Take-em-down 13]

5 minutes ago, DrBaker said:

Win % was used in regional seatings and kicked some kids with great losses to 2nd, 3rd, and 4th seeds. 

Cream will always rise to the top !!

[Regional Qualifier 16]

2 minutes ago, Take-em-down said:

Cream will always rise to the top !!

True from an individual standpoint, but teams sometimes need advancement points that can be earned based off of their seeds.  Try to get the kid in the best possible position to make it as far as they can, even though they may not be the actual "cream."

[Take-em-down 13]

36 minutes ago, Regional Qualifier said:

True from an individual standpoint, but teams sometimes need advancement points that can be earned based off of their seeds.  Try to get the kid in the best possible position to make it as far as they can, even though they may not be the actual "cream."

Sounded to me like Dr. Baker was saying the better kids were getting bad seeds because they wrestled a tougher schedule. (When seeding is based of Win %)  Those are the kids that will end up where they should be when its all said and done. Thats not knocking any kid out there seeding off Win % usually helps the kids who would normally be a lower seed if seeded at all. 

[yolo 2]

41 minutes ago, Take-em-down said:

Sounded to me like Dr. Baker was saying the better kids were getting bad seeds because they wrestled a tougher schedule. (When seeding is based of Win %)  Those are the kids that will end up where they should be when its all said and done. Thats not knocking any kid out there seeding off Win % usually helps the kids who would normally be a lower seed if seeded at all. 

Someone like Clifford from Union?