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  1. For middle school I see Micah Thompson and Owen Lamer also brought home shields. Results are posted here.
  2. Guessing it was participation. When I looked yesterday they didn't have a single 14u registered at any weight. Kinda tough when a lot of kids just finished states last week.
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    Middle school state > high school

    LOL. In that case just wait 2 years and 5 months and he won't be a kid anymore.
  4. I thought in the seeding meeting, it was discussed that the goal would be that no one one should be able to be eliminated by losing to the same person twice prior to the medal rounds. But in looking at it, these brackets definitely will see this happening. Just as an example... Under each bracket, the loser of bout 19 and the loser of bout 33 will potentially wrestle in the blood round. But most likely, the winner of bout 19 will be the loser of bout 33, causing the same two wrestlers to wrestle twice before medal rounds. I would have expected that the loser of 33 should drop to the bottom? I thought this was pretty standard - that each round you swap top and bottom for the consis. This way you can't just get eliminated if you have a poor matchup against a single wrestler. This same issue exists in each of the 4 quadrants of each bracket. Anyways, I'm not losing any sleep over this. But this seemed like a mistake last year, and I see we're using the same template again this year.
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    Spencer Moore

    I was hoping he'd get an NCAA bid after coming so close to an automatic qualifier at his conference tournament. No doubt he'll be there next year if he stays healthy and keeps improving.
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    Summer Practices

    Who's running the practice?
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    State final predictions

    If that were the case, then he would have been ineligible last year when he repeated. So hopefully that's not what happened.
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    Braggin Rights 2022' Midwest Throwdown

    I've got a couple of guys that would love to compete for the MS team if we sent one.
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    State Seeding Meeting

    When is the seeding meeting? Has info been sent yet? Also, what is the official seeding criteria? It would be best to make sure that's clear before the meeting to avoid long arguments.
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    State Seeding Meeting

    Thanks, I sent you a DM.
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    State Seeding Meeting

    As I said, I've been coaching for years and I've been invited in the past. I have 3 regional champs that need to be seeded, yet didn't get the email. It was forwarded to me and I definitiely was not on the distribution list. I'd love to find out where they keep this list of coaches and where/how we can update it.
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    State Seeding Meeting

    It's tonight at 8. Although I have been a middle school coach for years, I have multiple regional champs that need to be seeded, and I am on every wrestling email distribution list that I am aware of, somehow I did not receive this information. Luckily someone noticed and sent it to me. If someone from KYWC can please tell me what distribution list was used and how middle school coaches can make sure they're on it, that would be greatly appreciated.
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    State Seeding Meeting

    That's why I was asking. What you listed makes sense, but it's a little different than the bylaws. Tier I: Head to head matches in the current season Tier II: Common opponents in the current season Tier III: Placement at common tournaments in the current season (at the seeding weight class) Tier IV: Placement in the MS State Tournament in the prior season Tier V: Vote by Coaches of seeded wrestlers with ties to broken by of Board Members My main question is regarding tier IV. Whether placement means just that they placed, or do we necessarily have to go with the higher placement even when they were in different weight classes. Because taking 2nd in a weaker weight class the year before might not be more impressive than taking 4th in a tougher weight class the prior year. So would this go to a Tier V vote? Because the bylaws don't explain this any further.
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    Region 2 Tournament

    In a season that has gone on far too long and had many difficulties this year, I want to take a second to say that the guys at Elkhorn did a great job hosting the Region 2 tournament this year. The gym was a little small and having 3 mats slowed things down, but that was out of their control. I know they tried to get us into the larger high school gym but couldn't because of other sports. I really liked the idea to have the separate auditorium set up for kids to relax between matches with the lights dimmed. They also went out of their way to make the finals feel special. The announcer on the microphone was a real pro, the smoke machine was super cool for these guys, and we even had a podium (what would KHSAA think!?!). They even brought in a bat to fly around the gym and entertain us during the consi semis! Great job.
  15. Have any seeding meetings been scheduled yet? I haven't seen anything for Region 2. I'm wondering how the other regions are looking, or if it's just us that seem to be well behind schedule.
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    KFWC Bylaws

    It's become abundantly clear that the KFWC is running out of control. Rules are being changed, teams are being realigned without votes, fees are increasing without approval, state flyers are released late and with bad and conflicting information, and the board has gone radio silent. I probably would too, if I found myself in this much chaos. I'd also like to say that my criticism is out of concern for the health and development of KY wrestling. I see talented hardworking kids putting in just as much work as surrounding states, and I want them to have just as high an experience as those in OH, IN, PA and other states. And these states take their youth and middle school wrestling very seriously. We have bylaws written as a guideline to keep us in check, help us maintain consistency from year to year and board to board, to avoid making old mistakes (and new), and to guide future generations through amendments. But none of that is happening now. In my time working with KFWC, I've never seen things so bad. I'd like to raise my concerns here, and I'd like to encourage our president or other board members to speak up and give us confidence that this organization hasn't lost all credibility. If the bylaws are not suitable, then they should be amended. They should not be ignored. Here is a list of bylaws that I see being ignored to the detriment of Kentucky Wrestling. ______________________________________________________________ Bylaw 1.C Every team must electronically sign the KFWC Bylaw acknowledgement form by December 17 th of the current season. But according to President Mondell Hunter in an email on 2/9/22 at 8:08 AM, he states: "We will not require you to sign the by laws like the previous years. We just need the coaches cards verified." Explanation: There isn't one. I'm curious if the reason we're not signing the bylaws anymore is because we're not actually following them? __________________________________________________________ Bylaw 3, 3.A: The KFWC will hold two statewide meetings annually. The meetings shall be held on the 3rd Sunday in April & the 3rd Sunday in September each year. Meeting site shall be located centrally within the state of Kentucky at a public location adequate in size. The time and specific location of meetings shall be announced on KFWC website (http://www.kentuckyusawrestling.org/page/show/1031369-middle-school-elementary) at a minimum of 30 days in advance. The KFWC president shall send out email notification to all member teams 1 month in advance, provided a valid email address is on file with the KFWC. All proposals will be approved at the Spring coaches meeting. Proposals that are accepted by more than 50% of teams present will be voted on at the fall coaches meeting. Teams will have the ability to vote by assigning a proxy (another member coach who will be present during the meeting) in writing prior to the meeting. All proxy designations must be submitted to the KFWC’s email (kentuckyFWC@gmail.com ) with the assigned proxy coach copied on the correspondence 7 days prior to the state-wide meetings. All proposals must get more than 50% of the vote to be accepted. KFWC officers will receive 1 additional vote in the event of a tie. KFWC officers will post meeting notes and voting results to the Committee’s website. Member teams are responsible to keep current with information posted on the KFWC website During the Fall meeting, a small minority of coaches voted 13-12 to move the middle school season (in violation of Bylaw MS-10 and with no amendment). It was not originally proposed in the Spring meeting as required. Nor was the meeting published on the website listed above, nor was it scheduled 30 days in advance. It was advertised by email only, and sent out with a few days notice. And then anyone pushing back on the decision was told they should have been at this meeting that was not properly advertised. _____________________________________________________________ Bylaw MS-10 As the KFWC season ends 2 weeks prior than KHSAA season, the first organized practice shall not occur prior to October 1. Of course, the season does NOT end 2 weeks prior to KHSAA anymore. It now ends over a month later than it used to, but the first organized practice was not pushed back. Nor were the first competitions. I suggest we either remove this from the bylaws, or follow it. _____________________________________________________________ Bylaw MS-17.A Each participating team will receive 2 free coach’s passes that will allow them access to the competition floor area. Teams will be allowed to request for 2 additional coaches passes should they have more than 8 wrestlers competing. All Coach’s passes must be for approved coaches with valid USA Coaches Cards. In the meeting minutes from 12/5, this was changed. Then when challenged, in an email from Kelly Castle on 2/28, we are told to ignore the flyer, ignore the 12/5 meeting minutes, but instead plan to follow the bylaws. Sounds good. Can we plan to follow the bylaws everywhere else also? _______________________________________________________________ Bylaw Y-7.C Entry Fees are $16 per wrestler, no team maximum' This is being ignored. No amendment was made to the bylaws, but the price changed anyways. I suggest we follow the bylaws, or amend them to remove the restriction.
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    Middle School Regions Seeding

    2021. It's the same one where they increased the entry fees to $30. Guess all those 16 year old COVID 8th graders are out of luck?
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    You Make the Call

    Here's the match in question... https://www.flowrestling.org/events/7334418-2022-khsaa-ky-state-championships/videos?playing=7510735&limit=60 You can fast forward to 8:21 to see the final sequence. I went ahead and counted, the stalling wrestler took 29 consecutive backward steps from 0:17 to 0:08 seconds, before the final stall call. That's 29 backwards steps in 9 seconds. That's not wrestling. That should be called every time, regardless of score or match situation.
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    Youth State Tournament Prices

    I think the more important point is that the bylaws no longer matter. Meeting minutes are our new constitution. I feel sorry for the younger generation on wrestlers coming through this organization. I've coached youth and middle school for the past 6 years and watched us degrade year over year.
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    Middle School Regions Seeding

    I'm pretty sure COVID years aren't allowed for Middle School. According to the KWFC meeting minutes from 12/5: II. New Business a. Repeat Year – USA Wrestling Policy does not recognize repeat year. A full state tournament was provided last year so there is no deficiency to replace/repeat.
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    You Make the Call

    I know I'm in the minority but I watched the match twice and I didn't disagree with any of the stall calls. The last one was the most questionable, but there's no doubt the kid was backing away and avoiding action.
  22. I keep seeing all these cool pictures from other states with their state placers on podiums. It's ridiculous we didn't have one last night. Whoever made that decision should be removed from their decision making responsibilities going forward. If you know a kid that placed top 8, then you know the work they put in. These kids deserved a podium picture.
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    RTC @ Oldham - Wednesday, March 16th 5-6:30pm

    Great idea! I was just thinking after states this weekend that it would be nice to get these kids more opportunities to challenge and motivate each other. I'd love to see more if this, especially for a longer duration and on the weekend to make it a more worthwhile drive.
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    Youth State Tournament Prices

    No one holds unannounced votes with no meeting minutes as well as the KFWC. I'm not a cynical person but 4 years of dealing with this organization has certainly tested my resolve.
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    Where Was The Podium?

    Did Joe see the thousands of people stuffed into the undersized venue for over 20 hours without masks? Or the hundreds of wrestlers in physical contact, breathing and sweating and bleeding on each other? Has he even been in a single school classroom in the last 6 months where masks have long since been abandoned and everyone has safely moved on? Did Joe approve of the silly chairs that the same wrestlers day on shoulder to shoulder? This is such a cowardly explanation. I'm glad to hear the guys had the podium ready to go, but the khsaa decision really frustrates me.