OhioWrestler&Reff68

So Scotty, we now have to pick and choose when to call stalling or any other calls and forgo the rule book? In all my years and all the places that I've officiated I've never heard of this "unwritten rule". Is it a KY rule that I haven't learned yet? I remember Herron getting called for stalling for having the foot pinned against the butt and it was call with a few seconds left. I guess there are others who don't know about this rule besides Andrew Dennison. Rule book is clear on the matter, and I saw that JackFlash posted it word for word from both books. I am missing where is says-just never ever do it in a state championship match and all others its ok to call? -Andrew Dennison

If I am, I need my money back as I was cheated.

Better than last year as last year I was that Goonie on Steroids.

Very entertaining to read these. Took a phone call for me to get on here and read these during my lunch break. -Andrew Dennison the Grinch or A-hole, I guess.

Imagine how Brian Breakman must have felt back in the 80s when I was in school. Keep up the good work. First time I've been on here in years.

I took them down because YOU just don't get it!!!! I tried to be the voice of reason as an outsider who's only read and was told about what happened. I tried to post the rules as a NEUTRAL party, who knows what I'm talking about because when its said and done I have NO DOG in this fight, heck I live over 200 miles from where his happened. I spent over an hour reading all the post that you've made and everyone that replied to you and I can safely that 1. I'm older than you, 2. that I've been in this sport longer than you. I like most in here I wrestled in school, but in Ohio then wrestled in college and lastly wrestled in the Army 3. I've been a Wrestling Official for 29 YEARS in 5 different states and I KNOW THE RULES and have seen how the rules have changed since I first put a black and white strip shirt on in Ohio in 1987 (my first year officiating, what were you doing in 1987?)... 4. I've coached 3 different youth programs in two different states over the last 15 years. I am and have coached my sons who are 22, 17 and 7, so I have the father/coach area checked as well... I think that it is safe to say that I have a damn good resume' when it comes to the sport of wrestling and EVERYONE in here has and is telling you the same thing but you just don't want to hear it. I posted the RULES the truth and it is a fact we are the LAST LINE of defense when it comes to SKIN issues and safety of the kids. You WILL not change anything that we do when it comes to safety AND we do have the authority to over-rule that KHSAA form. Not 1 official did it, ALL 4 of them ruled against it. You asked questions, called people/officials names, accused officials of cheating. Insinuating that "they" did it out of spit because he was ranked #1 and that somehow the officials knew this and they knew that his first match was with a Ryle kid..... Gee 29 years of doing this and I don't ever remember officials seeing the brackets before during or after a tourn. You've pointed fingers at everyone and everything possible. You are not and have not accomplished a single thing with all of this...... AGAIN so you understand a TRAINER is not an on site medical professional. We are not playing part time Dr., we don't Dx anything, we just have the authority to protect all the kids... Checking the SKIN and ruling on it is our JOB. I bet before this day you never once cared about what we did when it came to skin did you? Now it's an issue? I got that 100% why it bothers you and we all must fight for our kids, but it's over and done with and it can't be changed. You post all these what IFS' and stuff you find on Google to support YOUR agenda. You're taking this as a personal attack against you, your son and your family and it was nothing of the sort. Again, have a wonderful day RamMan and best of luck to your fine student athlete I wish him the best in everything he does both on and off the mat, God speed to you and your family.

You have a great day and best of luck to you and your Son.

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I really never get into post on here I just like reading it for the humor, but after some long deliberation I figured I'd respond to some of this since after all I am a wrestling official and just finished up my 27th year of doing so. I've had the honor of working in some of the best wrestling states which date back as far as 1988 in Ohio during my college days. I for one take officiating very seriously and at the end of the day when I come off the mat I'm beat and totally exhausted, I give it my all for the KIDS and the sport that I love(giving back to something that gave so much to me). I'm not the only official that feels this way, I'm not in it for the money that is for sure. I was so sore Sun that I thought that I was out there wrestling and I'm in-shape and compete professionally in a sport to this day, so I know I'm not FAT or out of shape. It's very easy to sit back and be a MONDAY morning quarterback or be one of the brothers; coulda, woulda, shoulda. The ref should have called, if only the ref would have called, The ref could have called.... What's humorous is that most of the parents have never stepped on the mat to wrestle or if they did they were average at best and think they know more than the officials or coaches(SOMETIMES not ALL). Just as they do around the office on Monday when their NFL team blows the big game. If you want to be a part of the solution then take the test and buy your gear, donate your time to the KWOA attend the clinics, attend bi-weekly meetings in your region during season and give up EVERY Sat and one or two nights a week.... We are always looking for new officials. Rankings: Ranking are NOT who is guaranteed to win the state title that is just a stretch. Coming from Ohio there is a guy named Brian Brakeman who has been publishing a report called the "Brakeman Report" for 42 years and his avg is only at about .677%. A ranking is just an educated guess, Bamma was ranked #1 most of the year and they didn't win the national title... Brakeman has been at this for 42 years, I was 3 when he started and that was way before the internet and track wrestling and he's only above 500 and has a ton more schools/divisions-D1,D2,D3 and wrestlers to GUESS at then KY does. I think you get the point... http://www.cleveland.com/timstake/index.ssf/2013/01/brakeman_report_ohio_wrestling.html Officials are human, humans make mistakes. It's the great official that can say "hey I made a mistake". I personally know of one this past weekend where I called a TD to fast and didn't allow for reaction time. The kid did score the TD I just gave 2 to fast, could it have went the other way, yes. Then the score would have still been the same, 0-0 vs. 2-2 for the reversal I would have had to award. Once the season starts you can go to the National Federation and download the rule book and get SMART on the rules, not what you think you know. There is a reaction time and it always amazes me when the fans yell 2 or scream he's pinned or he's locking hands. When I or anyone else is 2-3 feet or 3-4 inches away making a call. I think fans and parents must have some of the best eyesight known to man or some superman xray vision to make a call 200-300+ feet away this past weekend. Stalling: One of the toughest calls in all of wrestling, regardless of the state you officiate in. It’s a judgment call and then again it's not. There is criteria that is within the book that we follow and that will guide us to make that call. NO state is uniform in this area are some stricter, yes, are some officials stricter, yes.... Can we get better as a state YES. It's one of the hardest to recognize and to get. If you don’t make contact within the 10ft circle and back out more than once then that could be stalling. I gave a stalling call to a kid that continued to back up to the point that he went out of bound 3 times and on the 3rd time I called the kid for stalling. The coach took me to the table and said, "he's pushing us out", "I said yes he is and your kid did nothing to stop it". Then the very respected coach said "what's he supposed to do"? I simply replied, "how about circle right or left and stay on the mat". The coach said, "you're right" and went back to his chair and yelled at his kid. Stalling and the clock: We do look at the clock from time to time so that we make sure that it is running and to keep tract on the time. Stalling can occur at any time, at 1:45 in the 1st or at :04 in the 3rd. I saw a stalling call at :05 in the 3rd in the finals, the kid was up by 2 and was not going to give up his lead and backed up or I should say ran away(I would have done the same thing), that is stalling and it was called regardless of the time in the match. Most of us count shots and use the 3:0 ratio, 3 REAL shots vs NONE your more than likely going to get a stalling call. Ridding the hips and not getting out to the side and work for a pin, I like to count and to show it with my arm. That way if I call it you were warned that it's about to come. I have seen and have known 100s of refs throughout this country and I'd like to think I had a great mentor in Tom Rooney from Central Ohio, not only did he call many of my high school and college matches he took me under his wing and I hope he molded who I am today on the mat. As a wrestler I would aggressively STAll my ass off to see what I could get away with. Kids these days are no dif than what we were back then... One person said it best and something that my high school coach would say, "never leave anything up to the ref". That means you SCORE and continue to score until the end of the match. In summary: If you don't want to be part of the solution then don’t be part of the problem! Go take the test, it's 100 questions open book no time limit. Join the KWOA, join your region KWOA, attend meetings give up every Sat from Dec to Feb officiating 10-12 hours a day for the LOVE of this sport. The KWOA is working on a "officiating class" that all new officials will have to take before they become an official. This will help the officiating within the state of KY. Here are the links you need. The KOWA site will have your region reps who will be glad to assist you with anything you need..... If you like post your questions here and I'm sure I or someone will answer your question about becoming a wrestling official, who knows in 10-15 years maybe you'll be at the state calling the Tour. "The 1st period is won by the best technician. The 2nd period is won by the kid in the best shape. The 3rd period is won by the kid with the biggest heart" Dan Gable Talk is cheap, ACTIONS speak louder than words! Below are the link to help you become an official, the first one has instruction lined out for you on everything you need. http://kyofficials.com/node/13 http://khsaa.org/coaches-officials/officiating-information/

Yes agree with above as well as an official that is how I see them right now.

JCB/Dutch. That is some advice that has been going around for years. Leave it all on the mat, don't leave anything up to a guy in the zerba.... Officials at all levels make bad calls, that is why the NFL went to video and we all know how much they make.... But some good talks going on in this subject. I might have to spend more time on here, been on this site for over a year and this is the 3rd time I've been on here and reall the first time I've been on here this year at all.....

I made or missed two calls this past weekend, the coaches took me to the table and on one occasion I had to tell the coach " I'm not going to lie to you, I didn't see it" That comes with experience and knowing that WE are all HUMAN and not ERROR free and to swallow your pride and know when you've made a mistake....

Half---- Thanks, I love the sport and want to see it grow not in only this state but across the country... Same with officiating, the only thing this I have that some of the other GREAT officials is KY is I've see other state associations and other trends in officiating in a few different states...

Anklepick--- I ask that if you’re going to bash officials here in the state and single out one of them in a public forum that you become part of the salutation and not part of the problem. Go out get certified to be a wrestling official join the KWOA sit in on the region meetings, run for a state held position within the KWOA and help the state. Talk is cheap and actions speak louder than words. I for one have been at this for well over 25 years and have officiated in what I would call 3 of the top 10 states in high school wrestling (OH, IL, and NY). KY in all honesty is right on track compared to NC and SC where I have also officiated and watched high school wrestling over the last 10 years. Once you become an official and say have at least 5 years under your belt then you might understand that what it means to be an official and that we are here doing it for the love of the sport and that we as a group within the KWOA are working hard to unite the officials and GROW the sport of wrestling here in KY. But it must start with people like YOU, ones that have a voice and know what we need to accomplish this task. So, I challenge you, pay your money take the test become an official, donate your free time on the weekends, one or two nights a week come to the region meeting once every two weeks during the season and run for a spot on the KWOA. Help us get better as a group we need people just like you in our ranks…..