Bluesdad

Last year there was a big snow on the day before and the day of the middle school state tournament and Montgomery Co went on with it as planned. We went down the night before and stayed the night. Worked out good for us I'd say we will do it again this year this in case there is snow again. Always better to be safe than sorry when it comes to mother nature.

I know, I'm so tired of this weather. I wished it would just skip this week so we all can get practice in so the kids can be ready for MS state. I hope everyone stays safe and gets some practice time on the mats.

IMO if their age is within the required age limit they should be permitted to wrestle. My son is in 4th grade and qualified for middle school state. If he doesn't place top 4(which he more than likely won't) he will be at youth state. I see nothing wrong with this as long as they fall within the required age limits.

Im not sure, but I think he was just listing kids that he thinks maybe able to win a match or 2 at state with the right draw. I don't think he was saying these kids are going to win their weight classes or even place. I think he was just trying to get there names out there for people who doesn't get a chance to see them during the year. So if one of those kids does win a match or 2 they won't say I never heard of that kid. Now that's just my opinion but I think that's what he was doing. But good luck to all the kids at state next weekend.

It went to a tie breaker

This thread took on a life of it's own something I wasn't trying to achieve with my posts. I don't think it does the site or sport any good. It just makes grown folks post things that they probably shouldn't. But good luck to all the wrestlers around the state stay safe and wrestle hard. God bless.

Ranger let me say this. I think your a great guy. I've not spoken to you a lot but the times I have you have been very nice and polite. I think your an awesome coach, I mean the proof is in the pudding. I also think your in this for all the right reasons. My complaint is maybe something of an armchair QB so to speak. I know we don't have all the info and hear all the discussions. But it seems a lot of decisions are made with out our region in mind. Like the new seeding criteria. Was there a criteria for the seeding? Was it voted on? Why change the blind draw? It worked for years why change it. Some people I've spoken to seem to think it's to place certain kids certain places. I didn't get on here to complain about Blues seed. I think that was a miscommunication. I just want what's best for the kids and sometimes when I feel there was a slight toward them I get a little to aggressive. So to you Ranger and any person from NKy who thought I was attacking them I apologize.

What are you talking about I'm not saying anything about the seeding. The seeding is correct. The matches you mentioned were brought up so I explained what happened in them. If you wouldve read the posts you couldve understood this if you can. Didn't say region 4 was the toughest, didn't even come close to saying that. But region 4 does have some solid wrestlers that are just as good as anyone in the state. Didn't say NKy doesn't have good wrestling because they do. Do we travel and wrestle anyone? Yes. Does he win all his matches no he doesn't but he does win his fair share and does quite well for his age. I'm willing to say he just as good as your son was when he was 10. So if you want to try and put my sons accomplishments down on the mat you might aswell put your sons down also. Let me ask did he win his region at 75lbs as a 10 year old? I'm guessing no. Since he's 11/12 and still at 70lbs. Your son is a great wrestler and so is my son and I will not sit by and let you make fun of all the hard work he has put into this sport to make his self better. You should be ashamed trying to belittle a Childs accomplishments on a message board.

Next time you call a meeting let's have it in Eastern Ky. Then the time after that let's have it in western Ky. Then well have it in NKy. That way all coaches from all districts and regions can attend and have a hand in shaping the by laws and rules. The meetings are always held where and when coaches and concerned parents from other regions can't attend. We can't just up and drive 3 hours to a meeting with work and life activites. I know some of you may not believe this but I'm not just trying to be a pain in the butt. I love this sport and want to make it the best for all wrestlers in this state. I think for this to happen the whole state needs to have more of a voice.

I didnt say you said anything I thought you handled your self great on the mat. I didn't have a problem with anything you said or did that day. The ref maybe a great ref but on that day in that match he blew that call period. You can say i called him out if you want but he did blow the call. We have it on film were you can look directly at the setup. Actually 2 views from to different cameras. Blue wasn't setup wrong at all. Coach Matney watched it and said they were nothing wrong with the way Blue was setup at all. Said the ref blew the call. But your right a win is a win and that day Spencer got the win regardless of how or who awarded the points. Wins/loses are wins/ loses no matter how they come or what state they are in. Let's remember that next year in the seed meeting...lol.

I didn't call anyone out. No I dont speak for all of Johnson Co. I'm one person with one opinion. You call it a silly comment amd it may very well be that. Let me say I'm sorry if I offended anyone with the comment. I see how it may have. But every time a vote of any sort goes down it seems to benefit the NKy teams. It seems Eastern Ky is a after thought when it comes to decisions concerning middle school wrestling. But that is just my opinion. So like I said in apologize for that comment. No im not upset about seeding. At first we were told the 3 seed got that seed because he finished higher at a tourney that he and Blue both were at. But he wrestled 80lbs there and not 75lbs so we were a little confused. Then it was explained to us that there was a common opponent that took place during districts that we didn't know about at the time. So the seeds are correct. As far as having to wrestling everyone at some point. Blue hasnever dodged anyone and will wrestle anyone. Now will he win them all No but he will win his fair share. I believe if your winning every weekend your not going to the right places. Also it's great that people in NKy help kids that only grows the sport. But its same here in eastern Ky. We have kids that have to be picked up for practice and taken home afterwards. Some can't afford to buy shoes, head gear, etc. for wrestling. So we help with that. There are helping hands in all parts of the state and country which is great.

No the comment wasn't about the seeding. After we were told that Frietsch beat Moore we got the seeding. At first we thought you were saying he got the 3 seed because he faced him at the Harrison Co tourney. Which we knew couldn't happen because Frietsch was at 80lbs that day. We didn't know they wrestled at districts. So we follow the seeding now.

Well you are correct. Did I say Blue was going to win his weight class at middle school state? Did I even say he would win a match? No, but I think he will win a match. Let's dissect your comment a bit. He did lose to Pye. It was 5-3 in the third then Blue got stuck. So yes Pye beat him that day. Frietsch beat Moore 7-6. Moore beat Blue 3-2. But in the Blue Moore match Moore didn't score a single point his self. The ref awarded every point on crap tight wasting calls. Something Blue has not been called for all year or ever except by that ref. So it looks to be pretty close to me.

Do you help kids? Sure and you need to be commended for that. But when all these by laws and rules are put into place whatever is best suited for NKy is what is passed. Its a numbers game, and you guys have the numbers.

He didn't beat Blue the ref did. Moore didn't score a point his self against Blue. Not 1 single point did he create by him self. The only way he beat Blue was the ref called 3 crap tight waisting calls against him. So did your son get awarded the match? Sure. But did he beat Blue his self NO he didn't. Now Spencer is a great wrestler but he was handed the match that day. Also at the end Blue shouldve at the very least been awarded an escape and the match shouldve went to overtime. But the ref was terrible. You run into that it's part of the sport. I really wished names of kids wouldn't have been brought into this. I didn't mention anyone's name because they are kids. YES Only after you guys tried to award him the 3seed then another coach had to step up and say he deserves the 1 because he was runner up last year.

Yeah you guys tried to do Gamble wrong in the seeding last night. Tried to seed him a 3 when he's the returning runner up in that weight class.

Yeah we understand, whatever makes NKy crew happy.

By saying the head to head criteria will be #1 is sort of forcing it. But I don't think it will make Johnson County change their way of doing things, IMO.

I'd love to hit one of those tournaments and hopefully we can in the future. My only argument is this. Coach Matney as had a great deal of success. His way of coaching and the tournaments he travels to has been proven to get his wrestlers were they need to be. So I don't think he will change it because of middle school.

There's no way, or nothing anyone can do to force anyone to wrestle certain tournaments on certain places. NO WAY. Coach Matney success speaks for it's self. So I dont think because some folks in northern Ky are upset some of the middle school kids didn't have common opponents is going to make him switch his way of coaching. It surely isn't going to make him change the tournaments he sends his teams to. So if you guys want to get on a bus or a car and head souteast come on. The road travels the same both ways in these here mountains ...lol.

Johnson County attends great tournaments every year, mostly in Wv and Va but also sometimes in Oh. Just because we dont wrestle up in northern Ky doesn't mean were not wrestling tough competition. In fact the tournaments we went to in St. Albans, Summersville, and Grundy are as good as any in this state.

It's unfair to try and enforce that as a common knowledge rule.

If they have tournaments that teams are forced to wrestle in they will have to give each section of the state a tournament. Eastern Ky ( Johnson Co. maybe) would have to host one of these tournaments. Along with western Ky (Union) and one in Central Ky there are a host of teams that can host that one. But I don't see a reason to try and in force a set number of tournaments you havento attend.

I know in region 4 the 86lb class looks really tough. In region 3 the 75lb class also looks really tough.

The kid did jump up and point for maybe 3 seconds, that was all. But no he didnt beat his chest, scream in the kids face, or hit the mat. Or during the match he didnt elbow the kid he's wrestling in the back of the head overly aggressive. He didn't wink at the crowd or blow kisses to his fans. He also didn't give the ref lip and neither did his coach. These may be a few reasons why it was handled differently.