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http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070601/SPORTS05/706010524/1002/SPORTS Joe Carr Jr. won four state titles as a wrestler at Woodford County. He was a first-team All-American in 1997 and followed with a successful career at West Virginia. Does anybody know how many wrestlers are in the KHSAA hall of fame.

Here is the link so that everyone can check for updates as posted. http://www.khsaa.org/wrestling/2007/drawforstate.htm

Region Results Posted, See 2007 Region/State Pulldown REGION 1 - POSTED REGION 2 - POSTED REGION 3 - NO RESULTS SUBMITTED AS OF 2/11/07, 7:55 a.m. REGION 4 - NO RESULTS SUBMITTED AS OF 2/11/07, 7:55 a.m. REGION 5 - SUBMITTED IN INCORRECT FORMAT, BEING RE-FORMATTED AS OF 2/11/07, 7:55 a.m. REGION 6 - POSTED REGION 7 - NO RESULTS SUBMITTED AS OF 2/11/07, 7:55 a.m. REGION 8 - NO RESULTS SUBMITTED AS OF 2/11/07, 7:55 a.m.

http://www.wrestlingusa.com/00wusawebroot/Issues%2099-00/may%2030%20Articles/8%20coah%20of%20the%20year.pdf In 2000 Gary Canter of LaRue County was named national coach of the year runner-up by Wrestling USA magazine.

I don't disagree with you Ranger that would make the road more difficult for LaRue or whomever if you stack a bracket but that is the same thing that happens with basketball, baseball or anyother sport. That is what I was eluding to in my post about Central Hardin's girls basketball team, i.e. to win their district let alone win state they are going to have to defeat the number 2 and number 8 team in the state. There might a team that makes the state from another district that does not have to play a top 20 team untill they reach the state tourney. I have a couple of questions do you seed all 16 teams, if so what is the point of being the number one seed out of your region if a number two seed can be seeded ahead of you? I am about to argue out of both sides of my mouth here, if you don't do this you penalize the stronger regions where the top two teams are better than the number one seeds from other regions. If you want the best 16 teams seeded than we should scrap the two regions per team and just have all of the coaches nominate the best 16 teams to go. However, some coaches might find it in their best interest not to nominate a team for state duals. I am not saying this would happen it is just a possibility. I think the best solution is you seed the top 8 seeds first with the requirement that they must be the number 1 seed from their region. There needs to be some firm criteria here like record against teams participating in the state duals (remember this is a duals tournament individual wrestler records should not be used), overall duals record, average margin of victory, etc... remember these are just a suggestion. After the top 8 teams are seeded, the number 2 seeds from each region are seeded. This is were it gets a little tricky because you don't want a number 1 seed and a number 2 seed from the same region having to wrestle each other in the initial poll. For example with LaRue and North: ff LaRue was the number 1 seed and North was the number 9 seed (the top number two team from all regions), theoretically North and LaRue should be in the same pool but given that they are from the same region you would want to swap them out with the number 10 seed as long as the number 8 seed (the lowest seeded number 1 team from any region) was not from the same region as the number 10 seed. It could get really complicated in a hurry. I am interested to see what everybody thinks is an appropriate criteria for seeding the state duals. I am sure this argument will resurface after the state tournament draws are announced.

This a topic that can be debated forever and not just in wrestling. As an example there was an article in today's Courier Journal concerning Central Hardin "The Lady Bruins will face a tough road to reach their first Sweet 16 since 2004 as the Fifth Region features three other Top 20 teams -- No. 2 North Hardin, No. 8 Elizabethtown and No. 19 Nelson County. Central Hardin and North Hardin will meet in the semifinals of next month's 17th District Tournament, meaning one of them won't even qualify for the regional. " Is it fair that at a minimum two of the top eight teams in the state will not be at the state tournament or for that matter even in the regional tourname, no its not but it is a fact of life. As coaches, fans, and wrestlers seedings are too subjective i.e. we are going to be biased in how we seed; and nobody has created a mathematical model that can perfectly predict who will win. I was not at the duals this year but is not the case that each group of 4 contains two number one seeds and two number two seeds, and that the only way that you can meet the number two team from your region (if both teams win out) is in the finals. I think that is probably the fairest fromat, look the cream usually rises to the top, you have to win 5 matches to be crowned champ. Sure luck has something to do with it but the better you are the more good luck you create for yourself.

IMHO I don't think they were great coaches, good maybe but not great. They had some great wrestlers, but I never felt that there program was one that as a wrestler you would worry about having a Henry Clay kid in your bracket. I just don't feel that they are in the same class as some of the coaches mentioned previously.

I like that Ploesser and sneaky-how politically correct-he did have some talent back in the day. There are several good coaches in the state and some IMO that are slightly better than others. Canter is probably the best duals coach in the state, Matney's kids always seem to perform to their ability, i.e. if they are supposed to finish in the top three that is where they finish which says a lot when you don't have kids let you down in big meets, Parks had the ability to not let his kids get complacent which is why they are always a favorite to win another state title, and Bankamper runs a solid program at Campbell County never a team you want to face in duals meet. Hopefully some of the young coaches and coaches of new programs will look at what these coaches do well and adopt some of their philosophies, so that the sport of wrestling will continue to grow in the state of KY.

Were there any big upsets? What were the best dual and individual matches of the day?

Bruce Stepp (Sheldon Clark) vs. Frank Wolnitzek (Holmes) Heavyweight Jason Detre (Larue) vs Miguel Merritt (Hopkinsville) 189 Ian Horn (Woodford Co.) vs. Willie Ennels (Hopkinsville) 160

You can leave a message for Coach Detre and his new baby at http://www.hmh.net/cfide/scripts/babyinfoRevised.cfm?ID=8135 This website is the hospital's online nursery and picture gallery.

He had a little girl. Both his wife and daughter are doing well.

One way to practice officiating is to ask coaches if you can do their wrestle-offs. Treat these wrestle offs exactly as you would an actual match (i.e. wear your uniform if you have one, take your officials disk and leg bands if you have them). Most coaches are willing to let you do this, because they want you to be a better official and it allows them to watch the matches and coach their wrestlers.

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Isn't the kid from eastern ranked higher?