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Amen!

That's why I asked the question was to get the answers. I was told that most of his champions followed him from Sheldon Clark when he went to Johnson and since I don't personally know the man or the situation the best way to get answers is to ask questions. But like I said I don't care either way because I think parents should do what they feel is best for their kids and I will always advocate that. I hope I didn't ruffle your feathers as I was in no way putting down your coach or school. On the same note I wanted to express my opinion that becominmg successful because of transferres is not the same as building a program (again I'm not saying that's the case at johnson its just a wholistic opinion).

I haven't seen Torriente wrestle this year but I was at the WCI and seen Parriman and he looked pretty good halfway through the season and according to trackwrestling he seems to improve everyy week. His first encounter with Mink was he won 5-1 and his second encounter later at the Region 8 tournament he won in domminating fashion with a 15-2 major and according to track Mink beat Torriente 8-4. Boykin pinned Torriente and parriman beat Boykin 12-7. I also have kept an eye on this weight class for personal reasons and I also think it will be a fun class to watch and I would have to say that there could be many upsets and I'm not saying this will be or won't be one of them because Ive not seen Torriente wrestle but looking at common opponets I would have to say that if Parriman is ready to wrestle then there will be no upset in this match-up. I think a couple of first round match-ups to watch will be Jones/Fultz and Wilbanks/Stepp. Even though Fultz got pinned by Jones around the halfway point of the season Fultz has wrestled very well of late and seems to be peeking. He lost two very close matches with Meiman and Wilbanks two top kids at 170. If Fultz is at the top of his game with nothing to lose and Jones has a few first match gitters this could very well equal an upset. Wilbanks is very tough but Stepp is a sleeper and is a very good wrestler that if over looked at all by Wilbanks, Stepp could very easily pull off the upset. I don't even want to touch on the possibilities of second round upsets. I will say that the second round probable match up of Canter/Jones will be the second round match-up to watch. As always these are just my opinion which makes them 1 in a million. Good luck to all wrestlers at the Horse Park!

I agree Johnson seems to have a strong program that has domminated Region 8 recently. They have had 5 state champions since 2005 that is true. My question is how many of those 5 were originally from Jonson Central and how many were not. If you are bringing kids into the program then you are not building the program from the ground up or building it from nothing. I'm not bashing the fact that kids moved into Johnson because I think parents have the right to take their kids to whatever school they want for whatever reason they want after all it is their kids. The people who complain about such things either don't have kids or have their kids at the school they prefer. Anyway, I just wanted to put things into perspective on JC 5 state champs!

The HS thread says all Jefferson Co and all Hardin Co schools got all activities cancelled for the weekend and can't host or travel to a tournament. Does this incude the middle schools or are they aloud to go to the middle school state tournament?

Here is an updated version of Region 8 predictions. Good luck everyone. 106 1) Cody Stephens - MC 2) TJ Bowen - JC 3) Jacob Dodd - Way 4) Garet McCloud - JC 113 1) Cameron Nevels - Way 3) Byron Griffis - MC 3) Donovan Bently - Pike 4) Brad Auxier JC 120 1) JT Siler - Whit 2) JD Criswell - Way 3) Geordon Blanton - JC 4) Chevy Genoe MC 126 1) Zach Bybee - Way 2) Mike Parris MC 3) Brad Auxier - JC 4) Jordan Justice - SC 132 1) Cecil Nevels - Way 2) Ryan Griffis - MC 3) Sammuel Griffith JC 4) Nick Bunch - Bel 138 1) Josh Jude JC 2) Pedro Ruiz - Way 3) Zach Thomas - SC 4) Luke Bray - Whit 145 1) Jordan Young - JC 2) Cody Costic - Bel 3) Shawn Stacey - SC 4) Justin Dobbs - MC 152 1) Ken Beverly - Perry 2) Cole lafferty - Bel 3) Blake Parmley - Way 4) Charles Ford - Way 160 1 )Casey Mink - Way 2) Chance Neace - Perry 3) Rick Flannery - MC 4) Dylan Adams - Let 170 1) DJ Parriman - MC 2) Sam Preston - JC 3) Dakota Stepp - SC 4) ??? 182 1) Devin Marrow - Way 2) Nathaniel Prossor - MC 3) Blake Dials - SC 4) Cammeron Hanny - Bel 195 1) Sam preston - JC 2) Josh Staten - MC 3) Austin Lay - Way 4) Austin Hatfield - Bel 220 1) Tanner Adams - Ash 2) Chris Neice - JC 3) David Dunn - MC 4) John Guffey - Way 285 1) Zach Troxell - Way 2) Jimmy Stevens - MC 3) Chase Blevins - JC 4) Luke Johnson - Ash I'm no Ranger but this is my honest opinion so lets here what everyone else thinks. This should be a good tournament!

Well it is official: Wayne, McCreary and Whitley counties will be making their last apperance at the Region 8 Tournament this year. They will be missed in the mountains.

The Hammer & Anvil is a great tournament I am told. I heard it was well ran with great awards and very good compition. I would like to get to Ohio and attend this tournament sometime. Good luck to any KY teams that attend!

Well, I have been keeping up with this post and have found it very interesting to say the least. I have never met Mpire but hope to change that at this years state tournament. (Mpire clean out your mailbox, LoL!) I have talked with his boys and they are great young men which tells me their parents did something right in their upbringing. I wish I could see todays match-up because everyone loves a hard faught wrestling match but I don't think its fair to either wrestler to predict a winner or loser because both of them are winners in my book no matter what happens tonight. I watched the video of the match against the Graham kid at least a hundred times and what I saw was this: the Graham kid got the takedown for sure and it was after the ref ruled them out of bounds for sure so the the proper call was "wrestlers out of bounds no takedown"! No one can honestly say that the Graham kid would have succedded in getting the takedown if the ref wouldn't have first called them out of bounds so therefore it was a bogus call that definitely changed the outcome of the match from that point on. Anyone who says any different has a bias in the situation. Mpire I admire you for standing up for your kids, I have kids myself and I would fight to the death for them if I felt they were being done wrong by anyone so I have no problem what-so-ever with your position on here. Anyway that's just one opinion from a wrestling dad who has no connections with anyone on this thread, I am a true outsider! Good luck to both young men tonight you both are great wrestlers and great young men and you both should be proud of your accomplishments I know all of KY is!

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I respect the fact that yours is different than mine. Howevery I have been involved in athletics for more years than I can care to say and I have seen things that are effective as well as not effective in helping a particular sport grow, whether at a school level; or a state level it's always the same................participation. The more kids that are involved with a sport at any level the more the sport grows and the more the sport grows the stiffer the competition gets. I can tell you that I have been going to the wrestling state tournament in KY now for about 15 years and I agree that the 1st round match-ups are not the greatest to watch but I know for sure they are more competitive now than they were 5 years ago and in 5 years I will guarantee that they will be more cometitive than they are now. I can remember a couple years ago that the finals went very fast with a lot of 1st period pins thats why I agree with seeding the state tournament. Most of semi-finals were super exciting and should have been the finals if the tournament were seeded. You can't grow anything without change and when you change it takes time for to get the results you want. I think eventually the 1st round of the state tournament will be very competive and I also think eventually KY goes to districts, regions and states and maybe even sectional when I', no longer around. But it takes change to provide growth and it will take a lot of work but it won't take near as long if everyone is on the same page. Insanity = doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Wrestling in KY has steadily improved year after year and that is because there has been effective change in how we run the elem, middle and high scholl wrestling programs. This is just all honest opinion that is backed up by experience.

Everyone says they want the sport to grow but then turn around and say to diminish it by reducing the number of participants in the state tournament. That's just crazy. Kids only wrestle because they think they may have a chance to go to state. Take that away and kids will find something else to do because this sport is to hard not to have the hope of going to the state tournament. It would kill most new teams and most small teams. Right now our sport grows every year by a team or two but if we went backwards-back to a 16 man bracket state tournament we would start dropping schools. Stop living in the past and start looking towards the future. The state tournament has a great venue right now, yes its a little different than Frankfort but it was a necessary change. Good luck to all teams and wrestlers this year!

He may be able to beat Criswell if he makes no mistakes but Criswell is a domminant wrestler but no way he beats Siler IMHO because Siler is also a beast. However, I have heard rumors of Siler moving to 113!

Yeah at 170 it should have been Jimmy preston instead of Sam. I agree with that if that's the weight classes they are going except for 220. Vanover is a beast and he wins 220 hands down!

We are getting close to Region tournament time so here are some predictions. I hope everyone will give their opinions as these are mine and not by any means are they a professional one. LoL! 106 1) Cody Stephens - MC 2) Jacob Dodd - Way 3) Garet McCloud - JC 4) Austin Pinkerton - Ash 113 1) TJ Bowen - JC 2) Cameron Nevels - Way 3) Byron Griffis - MC 4) Donovan Bently - Pike 120 1) JT Siler - Whit 2) JD Criswell - Way 3) Geordon Blanton - JC 4) Bradley Colwell - Perry 126 1) Zach Bybee - Way 2) Jordan Justice - SC 3) Mike Parris - MC 4) Brandon Curch - Bel 132 1) Brad Auxier - JC 2) Cecil Nevels - Way 3) Nick Bunch - Bel 4) Ryan Griffis - MC 138 1) Pedro Ruiz - Way 2) Zach Thomas - SC 3) Luke Bray - Whit 4) Sammuel Griffith - JC 145 1) Josh Jude - JC 2) Cody Costic - Bel 3) Shawn Stacey - SC 4) ???? 152 1) Jordan Young - JC 2) Ken Beverly - Perry 3) Cole lafferty - Bel 4) Blake Parmley - Way 160 1 )Chance Neace - Perry 2) Charles Ford - Way 3) Dylan Adams - Let 4) ???? 170 1) DJ Parriman - MC 2) Casey Mink - Way 3) Sam Preston - JC 4) Dakota Stepp - SC 182 1) Devin Marrow - Way 2) Blake Dials - SC 3) Cammeron Hanny - Bel 4) Slater Swift - Ash 195 1) Sam preston - JC 2) Josh Staten - MC 3) Austin Lay - Way 4) Austin Hatfield - Bel 220 1) Sammuel Vanover - Whit 2) Tanner Adams - Ash 3) Chris Neice - JC 4) John Guffey - Way 285 1) Zach Troxell - Way 2) Chase Blevins - JC 3) Luke Johnson - Ash 4) Preston Dotson - Bel

I wasn't meaning that anyone would want to see either one of them lose because they are both phenomenal wrestlers. I think I was just thinking about how that would be a historical state finals match for KY. I agree that either one of them would be the favorite at either weight and they arte both good enough wrestlers to wrestle at whatever weight they choose. I haven't watched French much but have watched Canter since he was a little boy and he work very hard. I think there is going to be some great match-ups at the state tournament this year.